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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:53 AM
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Race and Gender in Prez Politics: Debate Between Gloria Steinem and Melissa Harris Lacewell
On Democracy Now! today...

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/14/race_and_gender_in_presidential_politics

Race and Gender in Presidential Politics: A Debate Between Gloria Steinem and Melissa Harris Lacewell

In the race for the Democratic nomination, a victory for either Senator Hillary Clinton or Senator Barack Obama—as the first woman or African American Democratic nominee—would be unprecedented in U.S. history. We host a discussion on race and gender politics with feminist pioneer, Gloria Steinem and Princeton University professor, Melissa Harris Lacewell.

The results from Iowa and New Hampshire have placed Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama as the current frontrunners for the Democratic nomination. A victory for either of them, as the first woman or African American Democratic nominee, would be unprecedented in American history.

In recent days their differences over foreign and domestic policy have taken a backseat. Instead questions of race and gender have dominated the political contest between them. The debate came to a head over a comment made by Senator Clinton in an interview on Fox News. Clinton said, “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do; presidents before had not even tried. But it took a president to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people’s lives because we had a president who said ’We’re going to do it’ and actually got it accomplished.”

After Clinton made those remarks, Senator Obama and several others criticized her for minimizing Dr. King"s role in securing the Civil Rights Act. NBC host Tim Russert questioned Senator Clinton about this on Sunday’s edition of Meet The Press. She emphasized that race or gender should have nothing to do with the campaign.

Today we host a discussion on race and gender politics in the race for the Democratic nomination

Gloria Steinem is a feminist icon and bestselling writer. She founded Ms. magazine and helped organize the National Women"s Political Caucus in the early 1970s and in 2004, co-founded the Women’s Media Center. Steinem recently wrote an op-ed for the New York Times supporting Hillary Clinton. It"s titled “Women are Never Front Runners.” She argues that Senator Obama could never have been a viable candidate if he were a woman and asks, “why is the sex barrier not taken as seriously as the racial one.”

Melissa Harris-Lacewell is Associate Professor of Politics and African-American Studies at Princeton University. She is the author of “Barbershops, Bibles, and BET: Everyday Talk and Black Political Thought.” She is at work on a new book called “For Colored Girls Who’ve Considered Politics When Being Strong Wasn’t Enough.”

Gloria Steinem, feminist pioneer and best-selling author of several books including “Outrageous Acts and Everyday Rebellions.” In the early 70s she founded Ms. magazine and New York magazine and also helped organize the National Women’s Political Caucus. More recently she co-founded the Women’s Media Center in 2004.

Melissa Harris Lacewell, Associate Professor of Politics and African-American Studies at Princeton University. She is author of “Barbershops, Bibles, and BET: Everyday Talk and Black Political Thought.” She is at work on a new book called “For Colored Girls Who’ve Considered Politics When Being Strong Wasn’t Enough.”
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:54 AM
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1. REC and thanks
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 AM
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2. Just starting--they opened with Clinton comment saying she hopes the race
will not be about race (I missed the beginning)
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:02 AM
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3. I'm a big admirer of Steinem but she really disappointed me by endorsing HRC
I understand the importance of breaking the 'ultimate' glass ceiling of power but how does she overlook some of Hillary's glaring flaws? Like, you know, the war? In her op-ed she actually had the nerve to claim that Clinton would be the better choice because, unlike the men, she 'wouldn't have to prove her masculinity'. Uh...come again? :wtf: What do you call the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman, Gloria? How can you say something like that given the way history refutes it? Were you asleep during Margaret Thatcher's reign? There's nothing feminist about the military-industrial complex and the neo-con agenda. Those folks are big Hillary Clinton boosters right now.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:10 AM
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4. she is saying media is forcing people to choose Prematurely. she has NOT endorsed Hil
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:13 AM
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5. She just started talking here, 10:13am CT. nt
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:40 AM
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12. The op-ed sure looked like an endorsement to me. n/t
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:19 AM
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7. I'm with you there.
I think any woman in the military has either proved they were manly enough by overcompensating and adopting macho behaviors, or has seen other women survive by being that way. A really stupid example from my own time is that I only like coffee with cream, but I drank it black the entire time I was in the army. Such a small petty symbolic thing to do, but even without being able to put words on it at the time, I realized on some level I could not do anything that signaled feminine without risking harassment.

Steinem should know better. Many women succeed in highly misogynistic environments by trying to be one of the guys. It's not so different from any other minority group trying to survive in the dominant culture. Look at the shitstorm that happened when Cynthia McKinney didn't wear her hair "white" enough - to this day, when people want to make her look like an extremist, they'll use a photo of her with natural hair that's not straightened. When 9/11 happened, some Arab Americans outpatrioted the rest of us in many cases, hanging huge American flags on their shops, so they wouldn't be accused of being terrorists.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:39 AM
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11. Yep. Military and male-dominated technical fields here as well
I got a laugh out of your story about the coffee, I used to do similar things. Like many women in our situation, I tried to walk that perilously fine line between being "feminine" yet "tough" (not so tough to be threatening of course). I can empathize with Hillary in that sense because I think she's facing the same thing. However, her cynical opportunism, coupled with her constant capitulation to corporations and warmongers are too much for me to take. I'm pretty much in the ABC camp right now. I prefer Edwards on the issues but strongly leaning toward throwing my support to Obama because of the hideous racebaiting the Clinton campaign is engaged in. Speaking of "cards", I don't believe that HRC plays the 'gender card' but she does play the 'feminist card' a lot and it's really disappointing to see someone like Steinem falling for it.
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Men4Hillary Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:17 AM
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6. It's time to ditch the sexism!
Hi All: The sexism in this primary process among analysts, commentators, reporters, entrepeneurs (see the "Iron my Shirt" buttons at DirtyWord.net/CafePress.com, etc.), and the general population is a strong indicator of where we are as a "developed" nation. Phew... "you HAVEN'T come a long way baby..."

I don't want to clog up this thread with a lot of material, so I will refer you to my personal effort to "ditch sexism" at www.MenforHillary.org (www.HillaryNowObamaLater.org). There, you can view much more information about the rampant sexism that pollutes this primary season.

It is not clear yet whether the sexism that is erupting will be good for Hillary or not. So far, sexism has empowered women to vote more for Clinton. See SFGate's article -- Clinton candidacy: For women, it's about power, stupid. However, Hillary needs the male vote and sexism is a significant controlling force among men of all stripes.

As to whether sexism trumps racism.... It is VERY clear that sexism is much more acceptable than racism. For instance, the fact that t-shirts can be offered for sale that say "Iron my Shirt, Hillary" is a clear example (among so many others). What if you tried to market t-shirts that said "polish my shoes, Obama." Ummmm... or how about the ones that say "Life's a bitch, so don't vote for one" (with Hillary's image next to it). Could you get away with marketing a t-shirt that says "The word n*gger is unacceptable, so don't vote for one"? You get my point.

It's time to hammer sexism hard and put a qualified woman in the White House. Again, you can read much much more about this at www.MenforHillary.org.

Take care, peace, and keep the faith, Mark
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:21 AM
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8. I think both are making good arguments. Detailed, honest.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:25 AM
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9. The pecking order is in play. she is talking of how when white women
moved into the workplace--it was black women who stepped in the care of the home/family.
I would add that when blacks finally started into getting good jobs in the South--the new immigrants--mexican, south america, carribian to take the jobs.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:27 AM
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10. Melissa Harris Lacewell had worked/is working with Obama campaign in
Iowa and NH
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:10 PM
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13. This is a REALLY good discussion! nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:14 PM
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14. Yes, it was. I hope we hear more from intelligent women and men
about what's really going on.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:23 PM
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15. My idea of an ideal political discussion on the issue!
Thanks for giving me the link and allowing me to weigh in on the conversation that had already started!
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