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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:36 AM
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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/14/change-rejecting-the-bush-agenda/

Change = rejecting the Bush agenda.

Seventy-nine percent of Americans “say the next president should set the nation on a new course rather than following the direction in which Bush has been leading,” including two-thirds who “feel that way strongly.” “For the first time this is even more than said so about Bush’s father, 75 percent, the summer before he was voted out of office in 1992. And it’s vastly more than the most who ever wanted a new direction after Reagan (58 percent) or Bill Clinton (48 percent).”
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:37 AM
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1. Then they should vote against the status quo Dem, Hillary, in the Dem primary .nt
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:39 AM
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4. so electing a democrat - let alone a women - is not a change from Bush direction? - interesting
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:46 AM
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11. Hillary is the most status quo Dem. Would she be a change? Yes. Would Huckabee? Yes.
Wether it is the right kind of change is in the eye of the voter.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:48 AM
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14. not necessarily-- just because the candidate is historic...
...in and of themselves-- and this is true of both Senators Clinton and Obama, IMO-- doesn't mean that they will make any significant change in the nation's direction. Sure, electing either of those candidates will be a "change." They'll be the first female or African-American president in USA history-- that's a pretty significant change. But it's not the change that America really needs, at least not by itself. We need a fundamental change in direction, affecting many policies. It's hard to imagine either Clinton or Obama being committed to effecting that kind of change, and without it, we'll be talking about the same problems four or eight years from now, and the state of the nation will be that much worse.

I'm not so sure about Edwards, but not so confident, either.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:23 PM
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19. A Bush in sheeps clothing is not change.
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:40 AM
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7. Does anyone seriously want
to go right back to the same policies that enabled Bush and the republicans a close enough election to steal?
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:38 AM
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2. So... 21% stil want someone like Bush?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:39 AM
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5. Fortunately, that's not enough to swing the election their way
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 11:40 AM by rocknation
unless, of course, they cheat--again.

:headbang:
rocknation
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mrdemocrat78 Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:45 AM
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10. count on it
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:47 AM
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13. They'll at least try to cheat
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:39 AM
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6. I guess so; same as it has always been. nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:38 AM
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3. Well, that's the meme we hit the Rethugs with--and hard
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 11:40 AM by rocknation
Yes, there's the 30% percent who will be happy with more of the same. But we can win by asking the others if that's what they REALLY want.

:headbang:
rocknation
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:42 AM
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8. PLUS 51% of GOPers admit to Bush fatigue.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:45 AM
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9. Then why is McCain so popular?
His policies are pretty much more of the same, including MORE WAR.

I don't get it.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:47 AM
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12. Because Repubs hate all of their candidates
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 11:48 AM by skipos
and McCain is the only shit that has stuck to the wall at this point.
Once the G.E. rolls around, people will see how much McCain is Bush part II.

edit: His slogan should be... More of the same with John McCain.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:50 AM
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16. I think he's popular with diehard rethugs who wouldn't vote
for a Dem come hell or high water. Plus he has name recognition. But I also think there are many rethugs who will be giving this whole election a long hard look because they're so dissatisfied with what they've seen the past 7-8 years.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:17 PM
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18. McCain isn't the most popular--he's the LEAST least popular.
What GOP candidate is an improvement over him? "Dog On Car" Romney? "Cross Creep" Huckabee? "Night of the Living Fred" Thompson? Rudy "9ui11iani?"

:headbang:
rocknation
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:50 AM
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15.  "There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position..." BO, 2004
Change = rejecting the Bush agenda?
Let's Hope so.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:16 PM
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17. Dennis Kucinich is the last man standing
that can change the course here.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:26 PM
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20. I wonder how many DUers will construe "change" to mean "revolution".
I don't think the concensus for change is a concensus for radical change. (Unless you consider getting to something more like pre-Bush is radical.)
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:27 PM
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21. Amusing that they try to sell us more of the same
I wonder if we'll have a Bastille Day moment soon.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:32 PM
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22. will, that rules out clinton obammccainguilliani.
cuz it looks like more of the same from any of those.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:11 PM
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23. OK so they'll have to do a little more work to steal the election in 08 ... again
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