WHY ISN'T KUCINICH IN THE DEBATE!? REMEMBER THIS PHOTO?

[Orwellian_Ghost]

[AnOhioan]

1. Yes, I do remember....

I include Obama in the fault as well. None of them will get my vote.

[stevedeshazer]

2. There it is

Point well made.

[Fire Walk With Me]

3. 5,000,000 orphaned Iraqi children?

That's an awful lot of potential US-hating future terrorists.

Go Bush!

[LoZoccolo]

4. The idea that they were talking about the other candidates is all speculation.

No one knows what they were referring to.

[Whisp]

5. lol

:rofl:
not a clue what they could be talking about....
:rofl:

[Pastiche423]

6. What they were talking about has already been published

And it wasn't about the weather.

[LoZoccolo]

7. Yeah, speculation about what they were talking about has been published.

My speculation is that they were talking about something else.

[Pastiche423]

8. Their mics were on

Duh!

[LoZoccolo]

12. Sure.

But you cannot say that they were talking about excluding other candidates. That is one interpretation of many possible ones, and you cannot speculate one over the other.

[Pastiche423]

14. Buh bye

[LoZoccolo]

18. lol

:toast:

[Whisp]

15. they were discussing Candida, that's it.

:rofl:

[mondo joe]

9. It's clear they were deeply worried that DK would take the election.

Come on.

I wish Dennis was in the debate. I wish there were other voices as well.

But I don't think HRC and JE were conspiring to have DK removed from a debate.

[GreenArrow]

10. it's not that they were worried about DK winning the debate

it's that he brings up topics, that are, uh, uncomfortable.

[mondo joe]

11. I think DU overestimates DK's perceived stature at the debates.

Just an opinion.

[GreenArrow]

16. probably so

The audience ususally responds well to him, but it doesn't translate into votes.

[rAVES]

36. Yea.. and Clinton isnt overrated at all.

[robbedvoter]

13. Yup. A bit preserved in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSoCHfyYCew

[Pastiche423]

37. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

For that link.

[Maine-ah]

17. k effin r

thank you, bookmarking.

[DesertRat]

19. K&R

[fascisthunter]

20. Because His Substance in the Debate is Too Inconvenient for the Others

and corporate America doesn't want someone like Kucinich planting any seed of reality in common folks heads. Neither do the rich, wealthy and powerful.... they like the way things are.

[Blue Congress]

21. Thanks.

I was looking for this picture.

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. He's not in the debate because he is trailing badly in the polls and

has done poorly in the primaries.

[Blue Congress]

23. The corporate media quite frequently leaves him out of their polls

And there have only been two primaries. I am not comfortable allowing Iowa, New Hampshire and the corporate media make my decisions for me.

If they have nothing to fear from Kucinich, why must they pretend he doesn't exist in their polls, in their news coverage, in their debates??

The corporations give the candidates money, and then because certain candidates have money the corporate media will give them endless free coverage 24/7. Amazingly The corporate candidate wins! Do you like that system?

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. Every scientifically conducted polled has shown him in single digits:

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm

[Blue Congress]

30. This is why they didn't want him in the debate...

Kucinich Wins Debate Poll, ABC Covers Up Results

By Diane E. Dees at Mother Jones

Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich's supporters (and, according
to his website, even some non-supporters) are demanding that ABC
explain its actions of the last few days.

On Monday afternoon, Congressman Kucinich took a significant lead in
the ABC online poll: Who won the Democratic debate? About the time that
he took that lead, ABC removed the poll from its prominent position on
the ABC website. Then a new poll suddenly went up, "Who is winning the
Democratic debate?"

Those events could be seen as technical glitches, but there was more
to come. Kucinich took the lead in the second poll, also, and that
poll, too, was dropped. ABC also "forgot" to announce the results
(Kucinich tied with Sen. Hillary Clinton as the winner), and news about
the poll is nowhere to be seen on the ABC website. Kucinich was also cut out of a group photo of all the candidates in the debate.

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. Yes, they are afraid of his supporters voting over and over again to rig an Internet poll

If Internet polls were any indication of candidate support, Ron Paul would be the frontrunner for the GOP nomination. But he isn't.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

25. Um

He met the pre-established criteria for the debate.

Do you deny that?

They then changed the rules in the middle of the game, not telling anyone exactly what the new rules are.

How do you explain and defend that?

[Freddie Stubbs]

28. As the sponsors of the debate they have the right to invite whomever they want to their debate

There is no prohibition on groups like MoveOn.org, Progressive Democrats of America, Code Pink, or even DU to hold their own debates.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

31. So

you're for "sponsorship" of the presidentail elections? You'll defend that? You're okay with that?

What you're defending is precisely the problem. You just put up a defense of The Corporation as Individual the very thing that ails us.

What you are saying is The Corporate Media Complex decides for us plain and simple.

[New Earth]

41. yes he is

:/

[Freddie Stubbs]

42. If the sponsor of the debate has no say in who participates, who does?

The federal government? Do you want http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/biography.html">The Decider determining who can and cannot participate in Democratic debates?

[druidity33]

44. actually

i want the people to decide who gets to take part in the debates.

And i want the League of Women Voters back as sponsors and moderators...

and i want to impeach the "decider" and indict his cronies.

Guess who i'm rooting for?

:)

[Horse with no Name]

26. And the rest of the story

Since you are obviously shilling for your candidate...Obama and Hillary got the majority of the time. Very little was heard from ANY of the other candidates. Edwards said that he supported smaller debates but wanted EVERYONE included. I supported that as well.
There is nothing to be gained from having Obama and Hillary dominate every single fucking discussion.
Perhaps Biden, Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich and Gravel could have ALL benefited from smaller debates--you know, ones that they could actually participate in?

[robbedvoter]

33. Maybe it's karma for Edwards...he'll get the boot next - and maybe he'll understand

how Gravel and DK felt after what HE did

[Horse with no Name]

35. Yeah keep slinging the shit

Some is bound to stick.:eyes:

[Pastiche423]

38. It isn't shit

It's how the media works today in Amerika.

[lonestarnot]

27. Not what Dennis is saying though.

[maxanne]

29. Johnny's next

Edwards will be the next one pushed off the island. And he'll have no right to whine - since he's been party to ensuring that other voices were kept out.
The last thing he wants is for folks to figure out how much of DK's platform he pillaged for himself - no wonder he doesn't want the real thing sitting next to him on stage.

The Republicans stood up to Fox when they tried to exclude some of their candidates. It's really pathetic when the GOP are better Democrats than we are.

[robbedvoter]

34. Bingo!

[DemBones DemBones]

39. You are so right. nt

[Fire Walk With Me]

32. I'm fairly certain that in this photograph they were discussing

"When the hell do the new Futurama episodes air!?"

[HughMoran]

40. Very interesting

hmmmm