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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:53 AM
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Kucinich sees conspiracy
“The fact of the matter is, NBC is owned by General Electric. General Electric makes power plants. General Electric wants to make sure there is a place to dump the waste.” http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-line/2008/jan/15/kucinich-decries-ge-media-conspiracy/

We saw the other candidates come out against Yucca Mountian. But Dennis thinks he was pushed out because he was against Yucca.

Dennis is looking a bit crazy.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:00 AM
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1. Beats the usual Sgt. Schultz imitation:


I See Nothing, Nothing!
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:00 AM
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2. If only Dennis was in the debate.
we would have confronted the Yucca Mountain question. :sarcasm:

Since his views differ so much from the other candidates.. :sarcasm:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:02 AM
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3. They probably weren't happy to hear Edwards talk about nuclear power, either
I imagine Edwards was taking great pleasure in skewering a few of GE's sacred cows in last night's debate.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:04 AM
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4. They were all against it.
Why do we need a forth voice there saying the same thing ?

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:14 AM
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7. No Edwards talked of banning new nuclear power plants
because they're dangerous and very expensive to operate.

Obama and Clinton were opposed to Yucca Mtn, but not opposed to building new nuke plants.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:16 AM
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8. The Kucinich quote is about dumping the waste.
He seems to be talking about Yucca.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:04 AM
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13. except Edwards voted for it and this was brought up at the debate
last night. Edwards voted for the war too and now has to disclaim both votes. Shame.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:14 AM
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14. So take your arguement further and let's say why do we need
a 3rd voice or a 2nd voice? Because he and the others are all candidates running for the office of the presidency. Who the f are you to eliminate any of them from a debate because that wasn't the only issue?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:23 AM
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10. When? When apologizing for his vote FOR Yucca Mountain?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:08 AM
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5. He needs to come up with a reason than "I'm don't have a chance in hell of being elected"
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:10 AM
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6. As long as he doesn't demand a recount in Michigan we will be alright
I think?

Don
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:17 PM
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23. Last night Keith said there was a computer problem in 20 counties
with the Democratic uncommitted vote. He never went back to the story.

I'm going to call the MI SOS to try to find out what the heck happened and why were there only glitches in the Democratic vote.

:tinfoilhat:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:21 AM
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:34 AM
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11. "Dennis is looking a bit crazy."
pot - kettle - black

:nuke:
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:37 AM
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12. Ya.OK
If you think I am crazy for my view on his statement. Then you must agree with Dennis.

Do you think he wasn't allowed because of his Yucca Mountian stance ?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:54 AM
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15. Partially. Put in context with his long time anti-corporate control of government
position, it is reasonable to believe that his vehement opposition to the destruction of Yucca Mtn. played a part in his exclusion from the debate.

Dennis on corporate power

The challenge before us today is whether we can maintain a government of the people, by the people and for the people, or whether we will timidly accept the economic, social, and political consequences of a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations.

The implosion of the Enron Corporation is a cautionary tale of the danger to the people of our nation, to our economy, and to our political system of unregulated corporations. The influence wielded by the power industry at every level of government must be shaken. The drive to privatize must be halted.

Enron's considerable financial contributions to the campaign coffers of 71 Senators and 186 House members clearly demonstrate the urgency of creating full public financing of our elections.

Government at the state and federal levels must reclaim its rightful role as regulator in the public interest, restructure electric rates to protect residents and small businesses, finance the construction of municipal power systems, and ensure -- as my Progressive Tax Act of 2003 does -- that corporations pay their fair share in taxes.

Despite the overwhelming influence which corporations have in the life of our nation, I see a new era of corporate accountability. I see a new horizon in America where ethics, sustainability, and sensible priorities guide corporate conduct in cooperation with vigilant, fair-minded, government regulation.

We cannot stand by idly while powerful economic engines -- virtually unregulated corporations -- violate workers' rights, human rights, and the environment, sweeping aside antitrust laws, eliminating competition.

We need a new relationship between our government and corporate America, an arms-length relationship, so that our elected leaders are capable of independently affirming and safeguarding the public interest. Just as our founders understood the need for separation of church and state, we need to institutionalize the separation of corporations and the state. This begins with government taking the responsibility to establish the conditions under which corporations can do business in the United States, including the establishment of a federal corporate charter that describes and clearly delineates corporate rights and responsibilities.

Corporations must be compelled to pay a fair share of taxes. If corporations shift profits offshore to avoid paying taxes, they should not be permitted to operate in the United States. The decrease in corporate tax responsibility is an indication of the rise of corporate power. Corporations pay three and half times less in taxes now than they did in the 1950s. Working families have to make up the difference.

We need an administration that will take corporate crime seriously and significantly increase the capacity of the SEC, the FTC, and the Justice Department to address it.

Wall Street should not get its hands on Americans' hard-earned Social Security savings. The Social Security system is not in financial crisis, but it faces the same political crisis much of our government faces: the pressure to privatize.

I am working to prevent the privatization of Social Security, of water, of municipal services, and of our democracy.

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/resources/dennis-on-corporate-power/

The Bloodstained Path
by Dennis Kucinich
The Progressive magazine, November 2002

Unilateral military action by the United States against Iraq is unjustified, unwarranted, and illegal. The Administration has failed to make the case that Iraq poses an imminent threat to the United States. There is no credible evidence linking Iraq to 9/11. There is no credible evidence linking Iraq to Al Qaeda. Nor is there any credible evidence that Iraq possesses deliverable weapons of mass destruction, or that it intends to deliver them against the United States.
snip---
America cannot and should not be the world's policeman. America cannot and should not try to pick the leaders of other nations. Nor should America and the American people be pressed into the service of international oil interests and arms dealers.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Bloodstained_Path.html

Kucinich given thanks for keeping Muny Light
By DAVID PLATA
Staff Writer
December 17, 1998
snip--
Kucinich, now the U.S. representative for the 10th District, consisting of the West Side of Cleveland and parts of the western suburbs, was honored Monday with a City Council resolution, thanking him for not selling the Cleveland Public Power plant. The plant, still expanding throughout the city, has since saved Clevelanders more than $300 million in payments, officials said.
snip---
On Dec. 15, 1978, with the city's bond rating in shambles, Kucinich refused demands to sell the light plant to help pay the city's debts. The Cleveland Trust Co. and five other banks refused to roll over $15 million in notes, and Cleveland became the first major American city since the Depression to slide into default.
snip---
"I'm honored to receive this," Kucinich said, not only in his own behalf, but also for the light plant employees, the plant's now nearly 86,000 customers, and others who helped in the fight.

http://www.sunnews.com/news/1998/1217/acmunylight.htm

Dennis has been a pro-democracy, anti-corporate, anti-war populist Democrat for a very long time. The corporations that control our government do not want his pro-democracy ideas broadcast in a high profile debate.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:43 AM
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17. well two candidates admitted last night to voting for yucca mountain..
i think it was damage control on their parts
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:49 AM
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18. Crazy? Crazy is...
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 12:10 PM by warren pease
...being repeatedly smashed with a hammer and swearing that you have no idea why you've got a headache. Lest the analogy be a little thin, DK is the head and corporate America is the hammer.

Remember that notorious ABC "debate" where they disappeared him from the final group shot, then took down their own online poll that he won handily, replaced it with another poll -- which DK also won -- and then removed the poll entirely from the web site.

Remember the Iowa caucuses, when some pissant local newspaper (the Des Moines Register) arbitrarily excluded him on the grounds that he didn't have an office in the state?

Remember the New Hampshire primary, when the exit polls and official results were even farther out of whack than they were in Ohio in 2004, and only Kucinich would step up and question the integrity of the ballot, the integrity of Diebold, and demand (and pay for) a recount that couldn't be expected to benefit his campaign at all?

Remember the Texas democratic party excluding him from that state's primary because he wouldn't swear to support the eventual nominee, forcing Kucinich to spend more scarce campaign money on legal action.

And now MSNBC and its corporate overlord, GE, succeeded in excluding him from last night's Nevada debate.

Right about now, a paranoid person would begin to suspect that somebody, somewhere was trying very hard to keep him out of the public consciousness. Maybe the latest in the long line of entities who want to suppress and silence progressive ideas is GE. Gee, ya think? And why on earth would that be?

Well... NBC, CNBC and MSNBC, along with a couple of dozen local TV affiliates, are owned by General Electric, one of the world's largest armaments manufacturers in 2006 and among the six largest media conglomerates in the US. In addition to "bringing good things to light," GE makes and maintains engines for the F-16 Fighter jet, Abrams tank, Apache helicopter, U2 bomber, Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV), A-10 aircraft and numerous other military equipment, including planes, helicopters, tanks and more. It seems safe to say that GE has a significant financial stake in the US remaining in a permanent state of war. The fantasy war on terra serves the purpose perfectly since by definition it can never end.

Is it reasonable to expect any of the NBC networks to report critically on the status and duration of the Iraq occupation? Or is it predictable that NBC's occupation coverage will tell us that the "surge" is working, that US troop deaths are down, that the Iraqi puppet regime is gaining traction and, if we can hang on for another decade, things should turn out hunky-dory.

Well, it's certain that extending the US presence in Iraq by a decade will have a very positive impact on GE's profit and loss statements. It's probably going to be somewhat less beneficial for the people who actually have to fight this insane proxy war on behalf of GE's bottom line.

But that's okay, since war is the optimum business condition for many industries -- banks, weapons makers, raw materials suppliers, machine tool makers and so on -- GE looks to sell many billions of dollars more of its killing machinery, all the while telling Americans via NBC how peace is just 10 or so years down the road.

So, given all that, is it surprising that GE fought tenaciously to keep the only candidate who truly represents peace from the stage in Las Vegas? And is DK really acting "a bit crazy" when he simply points out the obvious?

If crazy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different outcomes, then he's perfectly sane. He does some version of the same thing repeatedly -- trying to get his voice heard over the objections of the US power elite who profit from war and chaos -- but he doesn't really expect different results.

But his level of fury mixed with resignation is rising with every one of these insults -- particularly when his own party is sabotaging him -- and I'm thinking he may go the independent route ala Bernie Sanders after the next election.

The party of Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Clinton, Emmanuel, Feinstein et al has no place for an honest and peaceful man whose values don't include honoring corporate personhood. I think he could make life hell for the Vichy dems as an independent, particularly if he convinces the rest of the disaffected, unrepresented progressives in the House to go with him.

Could be the start of a whole new political ballgame in the US. Gawd knows, the one we've been playing for decades now is so obviously skewed in favor of corporate money and power that it's become an international laughingstock and a cruel domestic plague.


wp
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:58 AM
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20. Hate like hell to kick this thread...but I recommend your excellent reply!
Thanks, warren pease, for all that work, links, and thought.

I couldn't agree more!
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:51 AM
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19. Blarch doesn't see conspiracy. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:01 PM
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21. Mischaracterization. Watch Amy Goodman's show today and see for yourself.
Amy had Dennis on to go over the debate questions. They also talked about the recount. Dennis is right as rain as usual.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:09 PM
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22. Here is the rush transcript.
" And the fact of the matter is, with GE building nuclear power plants, they have a vested interest in Yucca Mountain in Nevada being kept open; with GE being involved with Raytheon, another defense contractor, they have an interest in war continuing. So NBC ends up being their propaganda arm to be able to advance their economic interests. "
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/16/breaking_the_sound_barrier_democracy_now

You know as well as I do what he means, there was no 'mis characterization'
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:28 PM
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24. Dennis is using Yucca as an illustration of the relationship GE has
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 12:28 PM by sfexpat2000
to our elections and to our political life. There's nothing crazy about that. He's right.

This morning on DemocracyNow! he also pointed out that while Obama spoke up about his exclusion, neither Edwards nor Clinton did.
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