NH recount started three minutes ago....

[zanne]

Dennis Kucinich came up with the money for a Democratic hand recount and the recount begins today. The Republican candidate did not come up with the money in time, but Sec. of State Bill Gardner will allow him to pay the money while Kucinich's recount is going on.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Kucinich+hands+over+%2425%2c000+to+start+NH+recount&articleId=c5b584b0-6965-4ded-bdd4-b554a0a11399

[rateyes]

1. If there are discrepancies,

this could get very interesting.

:popcorn:

[Warpy]

3. We know there will be discrepancies

One report said a family of 31 all voted for Paul in one town, yet that town recorded no votes for Paul. Now, either all 31 people are lying (and why would they?) or for some bizarre reason nobody wanted Paul to get anywhere. Uh huh.

I expect quite a few surprises.

[chimpymustgo]

2. Thanks for the update. Will any information be released as they recount?

Waiting 2 weeks...ugh. But probably, if there's any discrepancy, it will be leaked. We shall see how this goes.

[Tesha]

6. Go see it for yourself; it must (by law) be open to the public. (NT)

[Junkdrawer]

17. Ballot delivery from towns to the recount point has been banned from public view.

People have been told that any videotape will be confiscated.

[Tesha]

22. Who says? Bill Gardner, or some nut on the Internet?

I'm starting to believe that people on the Internet
will believe *ANY DAMNED SHIT* that someone posts.

And if it's true, someone has surely called the ACLU
or the NHCLU or even Bill Gardner, the New Hampshire
Secretary of State and raised holy Hell, right???

Tesha

[Tesha]

26. Oh, I see. Bev Harris and the BBV crowd says it.

Oh, I see. Bev Harris and the BBV crowd says it.

Per Google News:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_bev_harr_080116_can_nh_recount_chain.htm

But even so, their claim only extends as far
as videotaping; no claim is asserted that
they couldn't watch the process themselves.
And they don't seem to have solicited advice
from any of the folks and organizations I
previously mentioned.

Tesha

[Tesha]

35. Strangely enough, WMUR has video of the ballots being moved.

Strangely enough, WMUR has video of the ballots
being moved although I suppose they don't have
every instant on tape.

http://www.wmur.com/video/15062669/index.html

Tesha

[mirrera]

4. Are you there? If so can you post daily?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. No worries. The results will be all over the place. nt

[New Earth]

7. can you please post this in Election Reform?

there is a post over there with some email rumour that the recount is off. The last thing we all need is more confusion right now :/

[mod mom]

8. that has to do with the Republican recount. Seems there's some undermining

that tied up the funds. According to the list servs, if they can resolve the fund tie up while the Dem recount is going on, She will allow the republican to proceed.

[New Earth]

9. right but the post itself makes it sound like

the entire recount is 'OFF'.

[Tesha]

11. Actually, NH Secretary of State Bill Gardner has said...

> ...if they can resolve the fund tie up while the Dem
> recount is going on, She will allow the republican to
> proceed.

Actually, NH Secretary of State Bill Gardner has said
that if the Republicans come up with the money while
the Democratic recount is going on, he will decide
*AT THAT POINT* what to do. The Republicans missed
the deadline to pay up so at this point, there's no
guarantee nor legal obligation that they'll get a
recount.

Tesha

[mod mom]

14. correct. Does this remind anyone of what occurred with Andy?

[loudsue]

30. How can you do one republican recount, and one democratic recount?

Isn't a recount a recount of VOTES, not parties? There's something really stupid going on here.

[Tesha]

31. Remember: This sort of primary election is held on behalf of a political party.

> How can you do one republican recount, and one democratic recount?
> Isn't a recount a recount of VOTES, not parties?

Remember: This sort of primary election is held on
behalf of a political party. Last Tuesday, New Hampshire
actually held two entirely separate primary elections:
one for the Democrats and one for the Republicans.

People participating in the Democratic Primary were
handed a blue ballot with just the names of the Democratic
contestants on it. People participating in the Republican
Primary were handed a pink ballot with just the names
of the Republican contestants on it.

Tesha

[loudsue]

37. Oh, ok. Thanks for the info. n/t

[CK_John]

10. I understand DK only came up with enough(20,000) to count 1 city. n/t

[Tesha]

12. $20,000 will apparently cover all of Hillsborough County...

$20,000 will apparently cover all of Hillsborough County.
This is New Hampshire's most populous county by far and
includes the cities of Manchester and Nashua as well as
many towns, so it's a nice cross-section of the alleged
difference between the votes in the cities and the towns
and the machines doing the count and the town clerks doing
the count.

My guess is that Dennis will quit once Manchester's
tally checks out, but I wish he'd stay in until they
count Nashua, my "homeland"; it would be a nice
proof point of what I've been claiming here: that
in Nashua, our vote is secure.

Tesha

[paparush]

13. Um..how much was the bill to count the WHOLE DAMN STATE?

[Tesha]

15. About $126,000; $0.24 per vote times about 525,000 votes cast. (NT)

[CoffeeCat]

16. So...if there was vote manipulation and...

...pre-meditated vote stealing....who do we think was behind it?

[Laurab]

20. I would guess the Republicans who own the machines

and the proprietary software. Even Hillary was surprised by her win. These machines are all, as far as I know, owned by republicans, some of the companies employ ex-cons to work on the machines.

As long as there is software that is only understood and operated by private owners of these machines (as I said most, if not all, republicans), I think there are a lot of people who will not be able to trust their vote. It's all about how the machine counts the vote. It's even more worrisome in places with no paper trail, but they all appear to be easily hackable.

[CoffeeCat]

21. I agree that the Clintons had nothing to do with this...

So why would Republicans want to hack machines and give Hillary
a win?

[cascadiance]

27. I think that line of thought has been discussed QUITE often here!

It's pretty obvious that they feel that:
a) they have a the best chance of not only beating her, but turning out more voters to do so and also affecting other races as well.
b) even if she does win, she will do more to follow the corporatist's agenda than the other Dem candidates.

It's pretty clear which Dem candidate the Republicans want to win!

Though I'm critical of Clinton, I'm also with others here in feeling that is more apt to be the Republicans doing any sort of messing with the machines that Clinton's people. I really think that they wouldn't go to that level and take those sort of risks.

[dkofos]

33. Because hrc loses to all repubes in the general election.

[Laurab]

40. Well it could be a couple of things.

IMO Hillary would be the easiest candidate to beat - that's JUST my opinion, and I'm not saying it to be anti-Hillary, or to argue. I just feel that she'd be the best GOTV candidate for the repugs, and they would like nothing more than for her to be the candidate. Many, many people disagree with me on that one, and perhaps they're right.

On the other hand, it could have nothing to do with that at all, and just be a practice run for the machines that are going to be deciding our elections in November.

I don't know what lurks in the minds of the republicans, but whatever it is, I know it's not good.

[Nimrod2005]

18. Who is really winning so far?

[Tesha]

23. Lawyers, no doubt. (NT)

[RDANGELO]

19. Is this where the Diebold machines were used? n/t

[Tesha]

24. Here in New Hampshire, we all vote on paper ballots. The bigger communities...

Here in New Hampshire, we all vote on paper
ballots. The bigger communities then count
those ballots using "AccuVote" optical
scanners manufactured by, yes, Diebold.

Tesha

[Tesha]

25. A news story from WMUR, TV-9 in Manchester, NH.

http://www.wmur.com/news/15062536/detail.html

"The big thing, I think, is to determine if the paper ballot count,
the hand count, matches the machine totals," said Emmanuel
Krasner, an{d} observer for the Kucinich campaign.

---

Mannie Krasner is a good guy and a smart, strongly
progressive Democratic lawyer. He won't take any
shit or allow any monkey business to take place
without all of us knowing about it.

Tesha

[Elspeth]

28. kicking for results

:kick:

[EFerrari]

29. Thanks, Tesha! However this turns out, this is good for our elections.

:kick:

[Generator]

32. One patriot among

thousands of scoundrels and thieves. Thank you Dennis Kucinich!

[EFerrari]

34. Dennis does the right thing AGAIN.

:)

:kick:

[killbotfactory]

36. I'm happy to see this, but it should be standard practice to recount the votes

We should be leading the world in secure, verifiable voting methods, but we aren't and the only reason is that certain people want to game the system.

[Chicago1]

38. What are the consequences if Clinton CHEATED? WILL SHE BE DISCIPLINED?

This is what I want to know. Is anyone going to right this wrong or is everyone going to just keep marching along????????????????????????????



START THE IMPEACHMENT

[Pab Sungenis]

39. I don't think Clinton, herself, cheated.

However, I DO think there was cheating on her behalf, probably without her knowledge.

[FreeState]

41. And why do you assume Clinton is the one that cheated

the numbers, if they were switched, could be switched either way.