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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:27 PM
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Trailer for Hillary swift-boat movie
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:28 PM
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1. How gracious of you to post it here!
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:30 PM
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26. We need all the advance warning of their lies that we can get.
We found out about Path to 911 before it aired and it was so strongly rebutted that it tanked. We need to do this with every lie they put out. I'm amazed that so many of you just don't get it. If we ignore them they won't go away, silence on our part helps them spread their propaganda. I for one am going to find out more about so that I can point out every lie they tell with letters of protest to my local paper and anywhere else that is appropriate.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:29 PM
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2. That's messed up.
I can't watch that crap.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:32 PM
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3. Anything with Ann Coulter and Bay Buchanan and Morris and Novak
in it I have to question; what are their motives? I'm no Clinton fan, but this looks pretty disgusting.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:16 PM
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23. This is a preview for what we are up against.
no matter who we nominate. We need to fight back this time, Robert Greenwald style.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:33 PM
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4. Who is the target audience?
I can't see impressing any Democrats with the likes of Newt G, and Ann Coulter "testimonials".


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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:18 PM
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24. The undecided and the disillusioned republicans.
That's why we need to fight back this time.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:58 PM
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36. The trailers open with John Edwards and Barack Obama's comments
about Hillary running on Bill's legacy -- but ONLY the positive aspects of it, not all of it.

*cough*NAFTA*cough*

This should be watched if for no other reason than to be aware of what we will be up against.

Know thy enemy...
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Dawggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:34 PM
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5. Geez, Gingrich, Coulter, Novac...
Why do you want to subject us to a right wing drive by?
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:37 PM
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6. Most trolls wait more than a month before exposing themselves.
Shame on you for your lack of restraint!
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:44 PM
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9. Shame on you for your ignorance...
She called it a swift boat movie - she put it down - she's obviously against it as much as you
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:43 PM
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19. Most Dem's want to know what the repug campaign strategy will be
I get these type of shitty talking points every day at work from my co-workers(I moved from California to Georgia last year). You can stick your head in the sand and call me a troll but no matter who we nominate the repug shit storm will be coming. We need to have answers. We also need commercials ready to combat them. Robert Greenwald does a very good job responding to this type of swift-boating. I for one want to read the script so that I can fight them. We need to start fighting back. If you ignore the fox tooo long he will end up in the hen-house. Try looking at the rest of my post before you point out how long I have been here and call me a troll. I have probably been voting dem longer than you have been out of diapers (since the late 60's - no exceptions!).
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:40 PM
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31. You're right. Thanks for posting and Welcome to DU...
:hi:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:59 PM
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37. Thank you
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:38 PM
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7. Right wing hacks are sooooo credible...
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 07:38 PM by JFN1
When they talked about the politician who has no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution, I was sure they were going to say Bush - this "movie" must be for people who have been asleep for the past eight years...
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:22 PM
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25. that and the....
undecided and the disillusioned republicans. We found out about Path to 911 before it aired and it was so strongly rebutted that it tanked. We need to do this with every lie they put out.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:00 PM
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38. And this is why we have had a Democratic congress, SCOTUS and POTUS for the last 7 years
Oh wait...
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:42 PM
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8. For the record...
I did not post this to bash hillary (that is why i put "swift-boat" in the title), I posted it to give a heads up to what type of trash the repugs are engaging in.
with the responses so far - you would have thought i directed the damn thing.


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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:45 PM
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10. Just FYI
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 07:45 PM by Chovexani
That "swift-boat" appellation in your title isn't fooling anyone.

P.S.: If you want "intellegent conversation", it starts with you. No one who's been in this country since 1992 needs any heads up on how your party knuckledragging Freepwits are trashing Hillary Clinton.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:52 PM
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13. You are barking up the wrong tree here...
you don't know what the hell you are talking about
she is no freeper - she is a true blue dem
if you want to stay ignorant - that's your choice - but this movie will be released
isn't it better to know about it now?
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:57 PM
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14. Hi there!
Say, do you work for Jim Henson's Workshop at all?

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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:01 PM
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15. Actually she's my wife...
i don't have a duel personality
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:06 PM
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16. Hey, I don't judge
Whatever gets you through the night. :hi:
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:13 PM
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22. Hey read comment 20 and 19
I appreciate my husband coming to my defense, but I'm a big girl and can take care of myself. Fighting big pharma and my Insurance Company for over ten years was more of a challenge than you guys. It is good strategy to know their game plan before the game and if you can't understand that than sit on the sidelines I'm more than willing to fight for you.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:47 PM
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32. This place is just teeming with asswipes lately ...
my apologies to you and lame54 for the belligerance of some here. They've been crapping all over the place and you gotta watch where you step.


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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:02 PM
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39. Seconded.
Thanks
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:25 PM
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18. its good to know your personalities don't fight. are you the liberal one? nt.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:57 PM
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20. read up thread
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 09:02 PM by unapatriciated
I think we need to know what they have in store for us, so we might fight this time around. I for one do not want to be blind-sided. I'm so sick of being accused of something I'm not by people who would prefer to ignore what the re pugs have planed for us. Since I marched in protest of the Viet-nam war, wrote every Senator and Congressman plus two administration voicing my support for Universal Health care, family leave medical act and other social programs since 1991. I have been to many peace rallies and marches against the Iraq war. I have been called a fucking tree hugging hippie liberal more times than I can remember and love it. So I would guess it would be fair to say we are both liberal. Last time I checked I was defiantly female and lame was male.


my style and work
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6XkOeh_WNsQ

lame's style and work
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QUiEd0IHaDs

both our styles
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sySC1vTNbak

edited for spelling and links


ps lame would not have bothered with you.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:33 PM
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28. I doubt your "concern". nt.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:53 PM
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33. have you ever been to a Greenwald screening houseparty?
Well I have and have hosted three. You don't know me but you assume to know my politics and motives. You do know we did not fight these type of tactics last time and it was used against us. I'm sure you have seen many of Greenwald's films and how he pointed out the lies of fox, walmart, florida 2000, Iraq War, rudi and many more. This what we need do to this one before it is released. DEBUNK IT. Remember Path to 911? It tanked because we spoke up very loudly with the truth. I personally want to be able to point out each and every lie in the film since I'm in the minority where I live and work. (moved to georgia from california last year.) We need to win by a larger majority this time so they can't cheat and get away with it. This film is not directed at Dems but at the new voter, the undecided voter and the disillusioned republican. We need to challenge every lie they tell with the truth.

http://bravenewfilms.org/
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:12 PM
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57. Now this is bad
we have actually armed the Republican party with all the weapons they need.

I said it and I'm saying it again our fight is not among ourselves but with them,

its time to rethink our strategy.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:55 PM
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35. No, we prefer to collectively bury our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist
Clinton criticism will NOT be tolerated!

This way, we can all wax poetic that we "never saw it coming" when she loses in a landslide based on crap like this.

Oh -- and a Freeper friend bought this hit piece and I am first in line to borrow it because I actually (wait for it) GIVE A SHIT about the direction of this country and where stuff like this can take it.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:46 PM
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34. This kind of posting is
so totally uncalled for. I cannot stand the whole batting around supposed trolls mentality. Some people can be so freaking paranoid. :eyes:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:51 PM
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12. Thank you and I agree.
I posted a review from Mother Jones about this after the screening earlier this week.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4076695
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:50 PM
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11. You all do a HUGE disservice to blow this off and not take it seriously
If she is our nom, this is only the tip of the iceberg that the Clinton-tanic will be facing.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:11 PM
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17. Yeah, and George is better.
I have no clue in hell what they're saying about the US Constitution and her. When was the last time Hillary Clinton spied on someone without a warrant?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:04 PM
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21. David Bossie, anything that has him attached has no creditability. Without the Clintons
he would have no career.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:31 PM
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27. Everything you need to know about David Bossie, dirty trickster...
... can be found in this article. Only runs through 1998, but you'll get the idea (it's the no. 2 article when one googles "David Bossie").
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. oh yeah i know about him, he's is a total Dooshbag.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:37 PM
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30. Youb call Bossie a Dooshbag? What an insult to Dooshbags!!
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 09:38 PM by johnfunk
:evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin::beer::evilgrin:
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:03 PM
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40. Go Hillary!
Maybe there is some good in her I haven't seen much of yet. Judging by the asshattery quoted in that clip I'm inclined to think, the more the people I hate....hate her, the more I probably should like her. Dick Morris? Puh-lease.

She is damn sexy when she's mad too.
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Tweed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:05 PM
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41. Most of that is crap
Like the quote from a dude saying she is worse than Nixon or Coulter saying that she is a liar. Those are really stupid, you could do the same thing for Obama. I'm sure some random dude would say Obama is worse than Nixon and Coulter will say any Democrat is a liar.

However, Hillary's record is quite spotty and alot of her support is shallow... just like Kerry.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:24 PM
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42. Horror genre.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:24 PM
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43. I really hate horror flicks
but sometimes we have to endure them to overcome our fear of them. We have to shine the light of truth into all of their dark corners or we will continue to live in fear. I also hate driving in the snow but was glad I did yesterday....Edwards was great.:hi:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Great film work, as always!
You guys are a true gift to the board!

:grouphug:

Ides
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:53 PM
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45. not so sure I think this thread may have got me on at least...
two ignore lists. Damn you can't even point out what the re pugs are doing to Clinton and you get called a troll. I guess it's just another term of endearment for them....kinda like what my ex used to call me and he was a repug! :shrug: In many ways some on this board remind me of him...he also took delight in giving me a sock when I didn't behave like he wanted. I'm just grateful that DU is a very large house with many rooms. :hide:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:54 PM
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46. Did he call you Dobie?
:grr:

Ides
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. no maynard
:rofl:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. Obscure, confusing, and braincellfrying. Yum!
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. damn I forget how old I am sometimes
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 08:03 PM by unapatriciated
you we probably thinking this...
http://ninjapirate.com/maynard.html

and I was thinking this.....
http://www.bobdenver.com/Maynard_s_CoffeeHouse/Maynard_G__Krebs/body_maynard_g__krebs.html


but in retrospect both could apply:freak:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:13 PM
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50. It took a flux capacitor for me to figure it out, but I got there.
I thought you meant *this* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_elf#Dobby">Dobby, because you said lame gave you a sock.

Struck out there. So I went http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maynard#Fictional_Maynards">here.

Ides
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. I better correct this or lame will put me on ignore
lame is not my ex and has never given me the type of sock I was referring to. I was comparing the sock pic up thread and was making light of a very abusive EX husband. The pic and comments up thread took me back to a very distant past. Thanks for bringing me back to the future.
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. I'd still be your house-elf.
:hug:

Ides
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:45 PM
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53. This will only piss off Democrats
And I think they will unite around Hillary in her defense.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:20 PM
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55. This should piss Democrats off
But we are not the target. The new voters, undecided voters and the disillusioned republicans are the target. That's why we need to debunk it Greenwald style. No matter who we nominate we will see this type of swift-boating tactics and we need to fight them. We ignored these tactics last time and that didn't work out to well for us.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:00 PM
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54. I have to go shower---that was icky dirty ucky stuff.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:29 PM
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56. after you shower
prepare to get dirty again and fight back. Greenwald style. This film was not made for us but for the new voters, the undecided and the disillusioned republicans. If we stay silent we allow their lies to go unchallenged and become truth.

http://bravenewfilms.org/
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:02 AM
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58. morning kick
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