If it's Hillary vs McCain in November, what are your thoughts?

[Poiuyt]

Yes, I realize that the primaries are not over yet, but it's looking more and more likely that this will be the contest.

[earthside]

1. President Bloomberg n/t

[gdaerin]

60. Yes, Exactly nt

[Big Blue Marble]

108. I concur.

Since the economy will be the issue, a successful businessman would have a strong resume in this race.
With his money to back him and much general unhappiness about the other two, he could be the first third
party candidate to capture the Whitehouse. This could be a very interesting politcal year.

[Gman]

2. I'll be hoping Lee Mercer goes 3rd Party

[backscatter712]

3. FSM help us...

[SammyWinstonJack]

112. ...

:evilgrin:

[skipos]

4. I think Bloomberg and Nader will get in the mix and Hillary will be toast.

But that seems to be what Democrats in NH and NV want. :shrug:

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. have you seen Bloomberg? Good God. How does he win anything?

[skipos]

46. He has billions to spend

that's how he can win. Ross Perot got 20% with a lot less money that Bloomy is willing to spend.

[ZinZen]

104. Perot got 20%

even after throwing infantile tantrums that hurt him amongst his supporters. If a third party candidate enters who can keep their act together, combined with Clinton's polarizing personality and that McCain may able to attract the indy vote. Hillary is toast.

[Big Blue Marble]

111. How does he win?

To start with he has signaled he would spend 2 billion with a b of his own money.

He would run as a unity candidate targeting the middle, the independents, the moderate Republicans and Dems.

He would run as a successful businessperson when the economy will be the number one issue.

He will run above the political environment of personal destruction that the Republicans and the Clintons will create.

With this political strategy, he could actually win.

[Radical Activist]

73. Hillary guarantees 5% for an anti-war third party candidate.

There are swing voters on the left too and Hillary won't win them over.

[terrya]

5. Clinton will win in a very close election.

It will be close...but she'll win over McCain. And, contrary to some of the doom and gloom about her being the nominee, the Democrats will increase their majorities in both the House and Senate.

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

6. McCain 52% - Clinton 47% - Indie 1% - McCain 320+ in the EC.

[fujiyama]

75. Sounds about right

I like your screen name btw.

[madeline_con]

7. It's way too early for this.

Why is it looking more likely that this will be the contest? It's three states.

[bushisdirt]

8. McCain will win by at least 5%---maybe more. Hillary is too

polarizing. Some Democrats and most of the Independents will go for McCain, the harmless old man (they think).

[Popol Vuh]

9. A Republican Vs a Military Industrial Complex Candidate

n/t

[DJ13]

10. My thoughts?

:puke:

[mod mom]

11. If it's Hillary v McCain, then it will definitely be a Pat Paulsen presidency:

http://www.paulsen.com/pat/

[Mojambo]

12. I wouldn't feel terribly confident, but it would be close. n/t

[RoadRage]

13. Sadly.. we will have another 4-8 year sentence with a repug. I wish people would realize this! NT

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

21. McCain's VP pick would be important too. He is 71 I believe, so if he died in office...

...and his VP is Lieberman or Santorium (oh god) or Hagel, just imagine.

[Poiuyt]

49. I would bet that he'd pick Lieberman

Much of the country would see that ticket as bipartisan. In reality, it would be the bomb the hell out of the Mid-East ticket.

Bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Iran!

[Gertha]

106. I agree with the Lieberman part.

I saw Lieberman on the stage with McCain (on TV mind you), smiling and clapping. I had the same thought that he would chose him.

[NoodleyAppendage]

105. Obama and Edwards voters do realize it. It's the Hillary contingent who are DELUSIONAL.

You are not alone by a long shot. Those of us who prefer to THINK instead of buy into the hype know that Hillary doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell during the general election. The Repukes will show up at the polls JUST TO VOTE AGAINST HER, and not necessarily for their candidate. No other Dem prospect has this sort of power to produce opposition votes.

J

[Guaranteed]

14. We'll lose thanks to the idiots in our party and the media. Again. nt

[rhett o rick]

18. I so totally agree that the idiots in the Democratic party think they can take the progressives for

granted. The idiots think that they do not have to address torture, spying, rendition, or any of the horrible Bush tactics. Then they blame the people that they outright shun for not supporting the corporatists.

[mondo joe]

44. If you have only two serious contenders, a Republican vs a Dem who believes in

civil rights, and you toss your vote away to feed your precious pride and ego, you deserve to lose your civil rights.

[rhett o rick]

55. If I toss my vote away to feed my precious ego? WTF?

One of the candidates is corporate supported, by the same corporations that support Bush. The same candidate that bent over and kissed George Bush's ass when he wanted to go to war in Iraq and kill a couple of million Iraqis. the same candidate that once again, didn't learn, supported George W. Bush's wish to condemn Iran. How does my pride and ego fit in? Only one candidate didn't say that torture was always wrong.

The Democrats have some great candidates that will fight the status quo, will fight corporatists, fight against torture, why pick the only one that won't?

[gdaerin]

63. Well Said! nt

[gdaerin]

64. Exactly

[leftchick]

92. those "idiots" are making out pretty well

look at nancy for example. She ignores the people she works for with impunty, proving herself a corporate toadie and MIC accomplice and she has probably one of the most liberal districts in CA. Does she give a fuck what we think? No! Is her position secure? Most likely. She does not care. period! Thanks to AIPAC and the DLC the party is completely corrupted. Perhaps beyond repair.

[rhett o rick]

15. Bloomberg. nm

[Skittles]

16. just shows how fucked up America is

if that's the best we can do :puke:

[rurallib]

17. Can I sell my house? Will the dollar be on a par with the loonie?

Just how cold does it get in Canada?

[SammyWinstonJack]

113. I'll head on down Mexico way, I'm only five or so hours away from it.

[featherman]

19. MSM would be nearly 100% with McCain making this a

difficult struggle in what should be a big Dem year. Sigh. She might squeak through by carrying Ohio but...

[stillcool]

20. Revolution?

I suppose it's way too early for that...or maybe way too late.

[Robbins]

32. Hillary Vs Mccain

This will come to President Mccain.People are losing touch with reality If they think she will beat
Mccain.If she wins the nomination she will move to the center right.The way she was pre 2007.
Remeber Bill Clinton puts Gays under the bus.He promised to let them serve openly In the Military(Just like she Is conning people on Iraq) and gave us nafta(seriously how can Union members
support her) and welfare reform but no Helath care.

Mccain will beat her with Independents,and some democrats will crossover to vote for her.She will
be forced to defend Blue states.The MSM will be fawning all over Mccain as a Maverick.This Is as much
a lie as Hillary as a Liberal/Progressive.With all the talk about reagan one thing that Is ignored Is
she did not mention John Kennedy among her admired presidents.True Liberals admire John and Bobby
Kennedy.

Those who Insist on voting for her because her husband Is Bill Clinton and her using the victim card
deserve what they will get.

When Mccain wins and the war In Iraq continues and tax cuts and cuts in Social programs happen remember I warned people.

I am a member of the Democratic party not the Clinton party.Where were the Clintons at opposing Bush,and Cheney these last 7 years?

[Zensea]

22. I think the post is an attempt to flush out freepers

and other malcontents who are not Democrats of the sort this board appreciates.

Oh ... were you asking a serious question?

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

23. I don't think Hillary is a democrat this board appreciates.

[Zensea]

27. Well, she's my third choice

Edwards being my first choice, Obama second. So I wouldn't say I was fond of Hillary particularly either.

& I may have misjudged the intent of the original question.

[Poiuyt]

47. It was a serious question

The head to head polls I've seen show Hillary beating all the Republican candidates except John McCain.

A couple of weeks ago, he looked like he was totally out of contention, now he looks like he will get the nomination. The fact that the MSM treat him with such reverence doesn't help much. It would be nice if they mentioned how old and frail he looks, or how much of a war monger he is, or even ask about his adultery or his roll in the Keating 5.

[Yael]

53. Same polls show John Edwards beating the snot out of him while the others match

John who?

Classic dem response. Snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory and then carp and bitch about it for the next 4 years.

[gdaerin]

61. excuse me?

"other malcontents who are not Democrats of the sort this board appreciates"

I'm just wondering if you're saying that your party (that I thought was my party) doesn't want me, because, in that case I can take my vote to the republicans.

I will not be censored, not by you, not by anybody

What the f is wrong with you, are you trying to turn people off of the democrats?

Have you ever thought maybe some independants are perusing this site, wondering who they should vote for?

[MercerForPrez]

24. My thoughts are that Lee Mercer, Jr.

Might be the compromise candidate between these two extremists. Only a Mercer administration can really unite this country around the proof that the Iran war is a crime war.

[Gman]

39. (All Three)

[Hoof Hearted]

25. I'm already thinking about making bookings for Hillary's inaugural.

Or Obama's. The Republicans don't have SQUAT. It's going to be a beautiful day.

[yourout]

26. Were Fucked.

[1776Forever]

28. I am going to take a long bath on Nov. 8th and not vote for anyone!

I just cannot see voting for Bush 1 or Bush 2.
:hide:

[CK_John]

57. I hope you have a tub in Nov. n/t

[Triana]

29. If it's Hillary vs anyone in November, we're screwed - period (n/t)

[Ravy]

30. Hillary would chew him up.

I am an Edwards supporter, but any of our top three would chew McCain up. Right now, he is not being tarred with the Bush administration reputation because the republican candidates don't want to piss off * supporters. In the general election, it will be different. There will be pictures of the bush hugs everywhere and with the economy as a major issue people will not want someone who professes "knowing little" about economics at the helm.

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

35. You give an electorate who voted for Bush, way too much credit.

[mondo joe]

45. That comment holds for any set of contenders for the Presidency.

[Ravy]

89. I have been really critical of the electorate since 2004, but looking

at the vote totals for the primaries, and the 2006 mid-term results, I am thinking that maybe the electorate has woken up to the fact.

[GainesT1958]

31. Starting about six weeks ago...

I started tellling friends that I thought "even Hillary could beat all comers in the Repub field". I didn't have that feeling earlier. But as bad as things have gotten, even Karl Rove's entire sack of dirty tricks couldn't pull this one out for them--ANY of them. And Bloomberg? He'll merely serve to split the Repubs' vote if he gets in.

B-)

[Leopolds Ghost]

80. Bloomberg only splits (R) vote if HUCKABEE is the nominee.

He is the anti-Huckabee, really. Socially liberal Wall Street candidate.

The only daylight between him & Hillary is that he is to the LEFT of her
on foreign policy and urban issues.

[Nay]

33. I'll be writing in Al Gore

[malaise]

87. LOL

Run Al Run!!

[jbm]

34. Hillary will win

and the election won't be close. Most candidates start out even, with people mostly assuming the best until they find out who they really are. Hillary had to come into this election backwards. People have been so poisoned against her, that they assume the worst..believe the worst, until they see some aspect of her that makes them question their assumptions. It may not be apparent on DU, but I have been watching people gradually change their opinions of her locally. By the time the election arrives, she'll have won over enough of the independents to take this election easily.

[RiverStone]

56. Hillary won't win.

Ironically, I have seen just the opposite.

Billary is way too polarizing and I can't fathom where your pulling your numbers from.

Obama and Edwards supporters eventually will unit to defeat her - probably in Obama's favor.

Then he will indeed --- win in the GE!

[Jed Dilligan]

37. McCain, isn't he pretty far behind? nt

[Poiuyt]

95. Right now, McCain is leading in head-to-head polls against Hillary

That could change, of course. But the media keeps giving him good coverage instead of pointing out his obvious flaws and inconsistencies.

[OHdem10]

38. It will be a very tight race, HRC is one most prepared to go

up against the GOP. She is tough and will fight if necceaary.

[gdaerin]

65. she will fight because she'll be forced to, spin it how you want

they will put up the Biggest offense against her, she is a galvanizing force, and she will lose.

[ramapo]

40. A Senator will finally win again

First since JFK

[Blackhatjack]

41. Bloomberg will be a player.... for sure. n/t

[mondo joe]

42. Interesting. McCain seems sort of like the Hillary of the right, in that he (like she)

is someone with general party support, but he (and she) also really rubs some of the more activist members the wrong way.

But in the GE I think she's kick his ass.

[mdmc]

43. HRC beats Mac

Unless Bloomberg sweeps

[Tom Rinaldo]

48. This is slightly off your topic, but close

Someone asked on a different DU thread for folks to make the case why Hilary running against McCain would not be worse than if Obama were our candidate, since that poster was inclined to think Obama would be our stronger candidate of the two Democrats. This is a repost of what I posted in reply at the GD-P Forum. It makes a case for why Hillary will defeat McCain which is why I am copying it here (don't have the time or energy for a major rewrite now, lol). For the record let me also state that I believe it is very possible for Obama to defeat McCain also:


McCain's ace cards are experience and national security credentials

Those are Obama's weakest cards. That is a potentially dangerous match up for us. Obama against a Governor, Obama against a Mayor, Obama against a back bencher one term plus Senator like Thompson; those match ups would not create as stark a perceived contrast of a skilled veteran against a wet behind the ears rookie as a McCain Obama match up might. I know some here at DU give minimal creedence to any assertion that Clinton is a more seasoned and experienced political leader than Obama, but that flies in the face of all national polling done to date. Most of the public believes Hillary is far more experienced even if some here do not.

One of Hillary's other strengths this primary season has been her ability to convey a deep understanding of and mastery of the details concerning a wide array of issues and policy matters during her debate performances. She may not always be the most inspirational speaker but she comes across to most observers as highly intelligent and competent. Those qualities will be needed in a Democratic candidate opposing McCain.

McCain's other great strength is that he almost always comes across as the real adult in the room when he is surrounded by the other Republican candidates. That quality is driving his success now even though many of his past positions remain at odds with the core Republican base. Everyone knows McCain has paid his dues and that he is a very serious candidate. Again, Hillary Clinton can stand up and hold her own against those qualities better than any of our other remaining candidates.

No matter who we nominate, that person will run on a Democratic platform and McCain will have to overcome the negative stigma associated with the Republican Party coming out of two terms of a Bush Jr. Presidency. It is my feeling that the race is ours to lose, and that the only way Republicans can win is if they sow deep enough seeds of doubt about the capacity of who ever the Democrats nominate to lead our nation through difficult times. Obama has only been a player on the national scene for three years. The last time America elected a President Obama was among many thousands of American politicians serving in State legislatures representing very local districts.

The logical basis for sowing doubt over our candidate's ability to lead our nation and the world will be handed to McCain on a silver platter if Obama should become our nominee. The buzz word will be inexperienced, and inexperience fails to elicit confidence, especially when contrasted with someone like McCain. Hillary Clinton would nuetralize that particular advantage for McCain far more than would Barack Obama, and I think any Democrat will win in 2008 if the election actually revolves around the issues.

Further I trust in Clinton's toughness under political fire. I know she won't have a momentary melt down that could throw her campaign seriously off track. She can get thrown momentarily off stride, that happens to everyone in politics, but I don't think she can get thrown off her feet. Hillary has held up under the worst that the national media can throw at her already, for well over a decade. I think any Republican, even McCain, will need for the Democrat to have some serious stumbles in order to win, and Hillary Clinton is the Democrat who is least likely to stumble. It's like knowing your vehicle has four wheel drive as you head into a likely snow storm. It is reassuring for solid reasons.

Hillary Clinton is showing that now, in the adjustment she made when the front runner campaign strategy she had been holding to failed to connect with the actual voters she was asking to support her. She took a blow in Iowa and she made a real adjustment and became a better candidate because of it. That to me is very encouraging.

Finally, yes there is the matter of her being a woman. The thing is, women are not a minority group in America, they are a majority group. And every time some Republican talk show Yahoo takes a negative below the belt swing at Hillary Clinton (and you know that they will even if McCain himself doesn't) that will strengthen her appeal to women, including Independent and Republican women. If Hillary Clinton is our nominee I expect some surprises to be revealed in the exit polls conducted on election day. Many Republican women who will be assuring their husbands (and telephone pollsters calling them at home) all along that they too can't vote for Hillary will do exactly that, in the privacy of a polling booth.

[MadMaddie]

50. If it is Hillary it will totally depend on who her VP choice is...

I hope that she is smart and doesn't pull a fucking Lieberwhore choice out of nowhere....

The VP choice should be Obama or Edwards....

[krkaufman]

51. The media favoritism alone will swing the election to McCain.

Media hates Clintons, and just loooove McCain. 2000 redux.

[Yael]

52. My call is Bloomberg. McCain/Lieberman in a close second.

Sorry -- just how I see it. I think Clinton fatigue is larger than people want to admit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. My thoughts are that I'll have to print clearly on the ballot. K-U-C-

[BlueStater]

58. Hillary will beat that war-loving asshole

A bunch of fucking idiots in South Carolina don't represent the entire US.

[natrat]

59. mccain by 8-10 %--this whole thing is a farce created by the likes of MSNBC/ABC/CBS

[lutefisk]

62. Who will the corporate media support? Answer: McCain...n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

66. The War in Iraq and the economy will sink him like the Titanic.

[Radical Activist]

74. Why would it when Hillary isn't presenting a clear alternative?

It will be the same mistake Kerry made.

[Leopolds Ghost]

83. The difference being that Kerry actually cared, but wasn't a fighter.

Hillary is a fighter, with no convictions

(except for the convictions of the entitlement white suburban upper middle class -- as long as Roe is protected and taxes are low and their job is high paying and disagreeable people are kept out of their communities, they view themselves as comfortable and happy modern progressives. The war is an issue of bumperstickers for them, not drastic protest.)

[BeHereNow]

67. Quite simply? That we are completely FUCKED.

Time to move to a cave.
BHN

[leftchick]

94. yep

screwed. I need to look at Canada again. :(

[Tatiana]

68. Well, she'd better add Clark or Obama to her ticket.

I think that would make voting for her a bit more palatable.

[Leopolds Ghost]

84. Given how fervently Clark (2004's only other antiwar candidate) is campaining for her,

It'll be doubtless Clinton/Clark for sure.

[Bright Eyes]

69. Clinton would lose votes to 3rd party candidates.

MANY progressives refuse to vote for her, but they would never vote Republican. Whether that would make enough of a difference to hand a victory for McCain(or any other repub), I don't know.

But it would be too close for comfort.

[DFLforever]

70. It'll be McCain

He's talking about being a one-term only president in order to negate the age factor.

He'll beat Hillary.

[Cleita]

71. !?

:argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh:

[Radical Activist]

72. It will be a crushing loss.

There's only one way it will play out.
On one hand you have the courageous war hero McCain who stands by his principles even when its unpopular. Sure he voted for the War in Iraq but that doesn't matter because so did Hillary.

On the other hand you have the most blatantly spineless panderer in modern politics that no one believes has ever stood strong for anything. We'll see flip-flops at the Republican convention all over again and it will define the race. Hillary's support has been stagnant and will remain so. She has no appeal in middle America.

She'll not only lose but drag down Democrats running for Congress and local offices. It will be a complete disaster for the Democratic Party.

[knight_of_the_star]

76. May the Gods show us mercy

Because that spells Bloomberg jumping in leaving us with GOP, GOP Lite, and DLC to choose from. I foresee one nasty clobbering come this November if it boils down to that.

[fujiyama]

77. Hillary would lose

She's a stronger candidate than I might have thought of earlier, but she'd still lose.

McCain still sells with independents. Obama MIGHT sell better. But I feel that Hillary just won't.

[radfringe]

78. I mentioned this yesterday...

currently Clinton is using the age/experience argument against Obama

if she's up against McCain - will McCain point out he's older and has more experience in the Senate?

[Leopolds Ghost]

79. Huge, Seattle scale demonstrations at the Minneapolis RNC as an angry anti-war movement "comes home"

and returns to street tactics

After an 8-year failed experiment trying to reform the Democratic Party

and avoid confrontation, post-9-11.

RNC Welcoming Committee

That's what it would look like.

Think Chicago 1968. Humphrey vs. Nixon.

[johnnydrama]

81. she would lose

She would lose to McCain. It doesn't matter what her policies are, it wouldn't matter if she went 50 feet to the right of McCain, too many people don't like her.

Limbaugh and all those types are begging for a reason to not vote for McCain. Hillary as his opponent is the only thing to get them to the polls.

If somehow on the ballot you could put Clinton, McCain & Not Clinton, it would be 48-45-7

Unfortunately those 7 will go to McCain.

[Leopolds Ghost]

85. Yes... just like Humphrey did.

But not before an angry anti-war / anti-globalist movement,
unchecked by worries of "hurting Hillary's campaign" takes
it's anger out on the RNC instead, a target of convenience
thanks to an ill-timed decision to host the RNC in Minneapolis
back when GOP was gaining ground everywhere after Sept. 11.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

82. My thought is that i'll be staying in Norway for another 4 to 8 years before revisiting the USA n/t

[JTFrog]

86. I'm going to give Canada or Mexico another try. n/t

[Perry Logan]

88. Y'all talk like a pack of flaming losers. And you call the Democrats in Congress cowards!

[NNN0LHI]

90. I think the word you are looking for is "spineless"

Bloomberg? People are on drugs.

Don

[Tennessee Gal]

91. God help us all.

[NorthernSpy]

93. McCain will probably win that matchup...

We need independent voters to win, and they dislike Hillary but seem to like McCain.

[krabigirl]

96. Hillary will win. People will elect a Democrat. also ro

If McCain attacks her, I think many women might vote for her in spite. I mean, this would be as close as any woman would get to being president.

I still don't think it will be Hillary vs. McCain. I think Romney will be the nominee, possibly against Obama.

[brazos121200]

97. Yeah, Bloomberg is the way to go! Every vote for Bloomberg would be a

vote for the repubs, just like every vote for Nader in 2000 was a vote for Bush. McCain can be beaten by any Democratic candidate. He would have been a formidable candidate in 2000 and probably would have been able to win legitimately back then, but he's eight years older now and has lost "the spirit" he had back then. He will be 72 on election day and would be 80 in the last year of his second term, which all presidents want. I really don't think the voters, nuts as they are, will go for a man of 72 for eight more years of what we've had for eight years already. This year, as long as the Democratic candidate is alive and breathing, they will win, as long as not too many Democratic voters go for the independent candidate. The only repub candidate I fear is Romney,if Mitt Romney is the nominee that will be a different story. He could be trouble.

[JackRiddler]

98. Exile.

[wuushew]

99. Would people take a look at the Super Tuesday map before freaking out about McCain?

McCain is not going to come in first in Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama or West Virginia.


Assuming Romney earns some percentage of the larger and bluer states the only way McCain could be called a clear winner is some bizarre combination of vote splitting between Old Man Fred and Huckleberry Hound.

[spanone]

100. hillary will clobber the old warmongering fart

if not we're REALLY fucked

[alfredo]

101. McCain will not be able to muster the enthusiasm needed to win.

Remember, he is not liked by the core Republican and evangelical. Those are the ones who would be manning the phone banks and doing lit drops in your neighborhood. What it all comes down to is which group of voters are motivated, who wants it the most. Voter turnout during the primaries gives us some idea of what to expect.

If his temper shows at any time, he's goner.

[IsItJustMe]

102. You may wish to let people vote first, O wise one, but then again, your just mimicking what our m$m

does. But I understand, you just can't help yourself.

[NoodleyAppendage]

103. Say hello to President Bloomberg or McCain in 2009. Hillary WILL NOT win the general election.

The Repukes know that Hillary doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, but apparently many Dems do not share in that logical fact. They would prefer to buy into the Clinton DELUSION.

J

[LWolf]

107. I don't have any thoughts about possible matchups in the GE

until the respective conventions are done. I know that all republican, and half of the Democratic possibilities, won't get my vote at all. Who WILL get my vote becomes something to explore after the Democratic Convention.

The ultimate outcome of the GE will belong to those who set up the match, I suppose.

[dkofos]

109. I will vote third party, or not at all.

[TwilightGardener]

110. I think Obama stands a better chance of getting he Indies--but

even with Hillary, I'm not in a panic--yet. It all depends on how the media plays this, IMO.

[Mark46818]

114. My problem with Hillary

I live in Indiana our primary is so late that my vote won't matter and thanks to the electoral college system my vote in November won't matter either(Hitler would get 60% of the vote if he ran as a republican here). However I will still be voting. The republicans have only one candidate that can unite their badly divided party and it isn't McCain,Romney,or Huckabee. That candidate is Hillary Rodham Clinton. As a democrat I feel we are again preparing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

What concerns me more is that not only will many democrats not vote for her but that many will not vote at all; while the republican base will be energized and united to vote against her. After all people are more likely to vote against something or someone than they are to vote for them.

This can have a profound effect especially in states like Indiana. In 2006 we managed to take several congressional districts by the thinnest of margins. To be able to retain these seats we need a strong candidate at the top of the ticket to bring out the most voters possible(especially the so called swing voters). While Mrs Clinton will bring out many voters most of them will be republicans.

As democrats we must all get out and vote and encourage others to do the same. If you don't like our candidate you can either hold your nose and vote for them or not. That is your right and your decision but be sure to vote for your local congressperson and senate candidates that may be running. It is very possible that we might win the White House but lose the congress. Yes we can win the battle and still lose the war in November.

[Clinton Crusader]

115. THIS is my thought--->

[opihimoimoi]

117. THE KISS OF DEATH....Trump.....Hillary wins in a LANDSLIDE

All the Pubs have are whine, BS, denigration, blaming, distortion, etc...,..they are void of truly good concepts/ideas.

They are very good using EMPTY LANGUAGE....all fluff and no MEAT

[Norwood]

116. President McCain (McCain 53% Hillary 44%)

Far too many people just straight up dislike Hillary. Independents won't vote for her and she'll turn away many Democrats who don't want to vote for her. If she gets the nod, get ready for at least another 4 years of GOP rule.

[balantz]

118. Swing voters may go with McCain over Clinton if the world scene becomes more dire this spring.

If there are further escalations with "enemies", swing voters could be afraid enough to vote McCain.

Edwards would do best against McCain should the world scenario appear more dangerous to the public.