Bullshit the Neocons are done and toasted.

[TheMadMonk]

Or more correctly, their corporate masters agenda remains well on track as they find themselves tossed under the bus whilst their exquisitely groomed (in both the sartorial and political sense of the word) "moderate" replacements come to the fore.

They have very deliberately grabbed far more than they can ever hold onto, just so those "moderates" can "restore" what was taken away. However, not all will be returned and a shell shocked and battle weary populace will be so grateful for any reform at all that they (except for a few loudmouthed discontents like us here) will fail to protest and call for the complete reversal of all that is wrong with America.

They take several huge leaping steps towards their goal of total domination, and then allow, under loud and vociferous protest, a few of their most egregious excesses to be undone.

And all the while the populace fails to notice that each time around they have a little bit less than they had before the last charge, because they are so grateful to get something, anything at all back.

Suffragettes got the vote, and almost nothing else. And for most of the century that they've held it, it has been virtually worthless, they voted as their lords and masters husbands directed, and the system rolled on as before.

The civil rights movement was blunted by granting equality in law, whilst continuing to deny it in fact right up until this day.

With the availability of cheap consumer goods the poor are permitted to enjoy some of the trappings of wealth, but still they can not put good food on the table or a decent roof over their heads.


People hark back to the halcyon days of President X, and utterly fail to see that for all his marvelous works he left the nation a poorer place than when his predecessor took office.

[rhett o rick]

1. Don't count them out so quickly. Herr Kristol gets a space in the NYT.

Fascism dies hard.

[Glorfindel]

4. And Obersturmbannführer Rove is hired by Newsweek

Therefore, I will never read the NYT or Newsweek again.

[rhett o rick]

7. Me tooo. nm

[SpiralHawk]

13. NYT and Newsweek have become republicon party propaganda organs

Screw them.

They have sold their honor, like the rest of the corporate media.

They merit no trust.

[DJ13]

2. Hillary represents many of the same interests the Neocons do

Dont expect much to change if she wins, outside of their agenda now having someone who talks in complete sentences making the salespitch.

[Pale Blue Dot]

3. It would be a HUGE mistake to count them out now.

Or to assume that things aren't going exactly the way they want them to.

Please read The Shock Doctrine.

[onager]

5. Exactly.

As Bertholt Brecht said about the downfall of Hitler in 1945:

"Don't celebrate. The world stood up and stopped the bastard this time. But the bitch that whelped him is still in heat."

[Der Blaue Engel]

6. Could you repeat that part about women's suffrage?

It sounded like you were saying that all or most women just vote the way their husbands (as if we all have them) tell them to. That couldn't be what you meant.

[seriousstan]

9. That's how I read it. Stopped me dead in my tracks.

[TheMadMonk]

12. Did. Not necessarily do today.

Whilst they remained chattels, a majority would almost certainly have votes as instructed. And the more conservative the husband, the more likely it would have been.

[slipslidingaway]

18. Unfortunately some women still do, but look at the bigger issue

stated in the OP.

"...Or more correctly, their corporate masters agenda remains well on track as they find themselves tossed under the bus whilst their exquisitely groomed (in both the sartorial and political sense of the word) "moderate" replacements come to the fore.

They have very deliberately grabbed far more than they can ever hold onto, just so those "moderates" can "restore" what was taken away. However, not all will be returned and a shell shocked and battle weary populace will be so grateful for any reform at all that they (except for a few loudmouthed discontents like us here) will fail to protest and call for the complete reversal of all that is wrong with America.

They take several huge leaping steps towards their goal of total domination, and then allow, under loud and vociferous protest, a few of their most egregious excesses to be undone..."

[slipslidingaway]

8. K&R (read the first sentence of the OP carefully) ....

Kucinich

"...So what I see is that the Democratic Party abandoned working people, and paradoxically they're the ones who hoist the flag of workers every two and four years only to engender excitement, and then to turn around and abandon their constituency. This is now on the level of a practiced ritual..."


http://www.alternet.org/story/74268?page=1

[madrchsod]

10. dennis is the only true progressive democrat

the others are a bad mash-up of neo-liberal and neo conservative ideas that fool the masses into believing they care about them...

[Cadwallader]

11. yet he capitulates with the best of them

he's still in Congress, he still makes deals.
Or else he'd have been a martyr by now

[slipslidingaway]

16. Agree and that is why he'll get my vote...

From the OP...

"...They have very deliberately grabbed far more than they can ever hold onto, just so those "moderates" can "restore" what was taken away. However, not all will be returned and a shell shocked and battle weary populace will be so grateful for any reform..."


Kucinich...

"...So what I see is that the Democratic Party abandoned working people, and paradoxically they're the ones who hoist the flag of workers every two and four years only to engender excitement, and then to turn around and abandon their constituency. This is now on the level of a practiced ritual..."


Again from the OP...fooling the masses

"...And all the while the populace fails to notice that each time around they have a little bit less than they had before the last charge, because they are so grateful to get something, anything at all back..."

[TheMadMonk]

14. Thankyou. Other's, please learn to parse...

"Bullshit the Neocons are done and toasted." and "Bullshit! The Neocons are done and toasted." which is how some are obviously reading it, are semantically two entirely different constructions.

And the second doesn't even make sense as an opening unless I was attempting to pick a fight with the whole bloody lot of you.

[slipslidingaway]

17. You are welcome, also that is why I pointed to the first sentence

which made it clear that you do not believe the Neocons are done.

:hi:

[Perry Logan]

15. In my mind, the years 2000-2006 were a botched fascist takeover. We're in the clean-up phase.

They tried, but the people won't accept it. The neocons are indeed through.