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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:35 AM
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A Memo to William Jefferson Clinton to apologize for the previous memo
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 09:44 AM by pathansen
This is in reference to: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4115575

We wish to apologize for the “stain” that was incorrectly placed on your record as President because of the following:

1. You are only human and entitled to make one mistake during the 8 years you served as our President. This was a mistake that only directly involved you and your wife, for which your wife forgave you for. Unlike our current President, you apologized many , many times for this mistake even though no one died when you lied. So why can’t others forgive and forget?

2. If having any extra marital affair is so damaging to this country, why haven't other Presidents/Political Leaders been impeached:
• George Bush, Jr.- Several rumors that he has been going out on his wife, including strong suspicions that he was having sex with a male prostitute, Jeff Gannon.
• Newt Gingrich – secretly having an affair at the same time he was trying to get Clinton impeached.
• George Bush, Sr. – When people suspected him of this, he simply stated that if he was having an affair, it wouldn’t be anyone else’s business. Enough said.
• Jimmy Carter – remember that “Christian” President who strongly opposed a woman’s right to choose but felt it was O.K. for a married man to lust after other women. So, isn't that the same as committing adultry in your heart?
• John F. Kennedy – had orgies with many women. Of course, this was before women had rights when there was still a double standard.

3. The Presidency of George W. Bush is certainly not your fault. Without you selecting Al Gore as your running mate, Gore would not have had all the experience and excellent opportunity this position offered him to run for office. Everyone knows your affair had nothing to do with him. And it wasn’t your behavior that almost got you impeached but the viciousness of political enemies who wished to destroy you in any way they could. If this was the only excuse they had to impeach you, it was a pathetically weak one.

4. NAFTA was also not exclusively your fault either because Al Gore and many other Democratic leaders supported it.

5. If it wasn’t for you being our President for 8 years, we could have easily had a Republican President and no hope for any more democracy.

Thank you, President Clinton.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:45 AM
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1. 89% of dems like Bill Clinton the other11% post here. Pfffst
Who cares about those losers? Not me
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:53 AM
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2. I've got to K & R. Pres. Clinton's term was breathing room, and if anything was his fault,
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 09:53 AM by BleedingHeartPatriot
it was leaving the office and the country in such GOOD shape that it was irresistible for raping and pillaging by the grandson of a Nazi and his corporate buddies.

:kick:

MKJ
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:23 AM
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3. My biggest qualm with the other memo
Is that Gore didn't lose.

Given that fact, Monica Lewinski is irrelevant.

OTOH, NAFTA and several other issues were NOT GOOD. We don't need more of them.

If you want to lead our country, regulate the corps and get their hands out of our pie.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:30 AM
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4. Thanks For This. The Big Dog Rocks!
:toast:
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:36 AM
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5. Yeah, thanks for bashing Jimmy Carter.
Clinton supporters have become a bunch of freaks in their zealotry.

I like the quotation marks questioning Carter's religion. Scurrilous.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:44 AM
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7. Personally, I Love Jimmy Carter.
I took those things as trying to show a point, not with intent to just simply bash them.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:41 AM
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6. Excellent response to a poorly-reasoned 'memo'
K&R
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:49 AM
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8. ONE mistake???
:rofl:


Were you asleep during the Clinton administration??
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:04 PM
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10. Shyeah, how about NAFTA? Or warrantless black bag searches?
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:04 PM by originalpckelly
Or expanding the use of the death penalty to include offenses that didn't include murder?

"Welfare reform" was more like "let them die."

Or how about stealing money out of the social security trust fund to make it look like he'd balanced the budget, regressively taxing even the poorest Americans?

Or what about John Turley's Area 51 case? Workers at that facility were told by the federal government they couldn't know what chemicals they'd been exposed to to get treatment for that exposure, thus causing at least one of the workers to have a premature death. These workers were exposed because the government felt it didn't have to follow its own environmental laws.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:18 PM
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12. I will add those to my list
Thanks.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:14 PM
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18. One pathetically trivial mistake for being impeached!
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aka-chmeee Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:51 AM
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9. That's more the way my "memory" remembers it. Tnx! /nt
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:04 PM
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11. It's not the BJ from Monica for which Clinton must answer, but the BJ to Papa Bush
Reads like a message from "Suckers for Dynasties - Roll Back 1776"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:51 PM
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14. "Suckers For DyNasties"...
SFD..thanks, Jack. The Blow Job to pappy and subsequently jr when bill clinton came out and gave his support to him for his War On Iraq. the clintons have blood on their hands as well as one of the heads of the SFD.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:11 PM
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16. ROFL!
:rofl:

You're going to hell for giving me that mental pickture .
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:48 PM
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13. What about...
*Refusal to do anything to repair the damage to Organized LABOR under Reagan

*the 500,000 dead Iraqi children

*The Welfare Reform Act

*DOMA

*The Telecommunications Act

*Corporate Accounting, Investment, and Banking Deregulation that precipitated Enron, Predatory Lending, and the Housing collapse

*Dropping the Investigations of Iran/Contra

*Dropping the Investigations of BCCI

*Mark Rich pardon

I guess, all that aside, he was a pretty good Republican president.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:25 PM
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19. 500,000 dead Iraq children was Clinton's mistake?!!
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 08:26 PM by pathansen
That was Bush.

And how could Clinton be responsible for all of the many mistakes Reagan made? The Republican Congress was responsible too and wouldn't let him do much to Reagan.

Bill Clinton overall did one H______ of a good job as President.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:54 AM
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20. 500,000 Iraqi children died as a direct result....
...of the Sanctions imposed on Iraq throughout the Clinton administration.

If you think Bill "did one H____ of a job" you either don't Work for a Living, or you didn't pay attention.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:16 AM
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21.  U.N. sanctions
And overall, Clinton did a much better job than Bush has done.
So Democrats should stop complaining about their own party's President.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:01 PM
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25. Oh Yes. Clinton was better than Bush*
so we shouldn't be critical?
The Neocons insist that Bush* is better than Saddam.

You're setting the bar pretty low.

America can do so much better.


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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:57 PM
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15. William Jefferson Clinton is a war criminal - no exaggeration.
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:57 PM by IndyOp
When he took office he left in place for 8 years the deadly economic sanctions against Iraq -- that hurt only the most vulnerable members of the nation, the children, the sick, the elderly the poor. Half a million deaths of vulnerable people.

Proud members of the Democratic Party, do not allow your party loyalty and pleasure with policies that help citizens of the U.S. blind you to the horrors that the U.S. has inflicted on the rest of the world -- horrors inflicted by Republican and Democratic administrations.

Ashamed. Bill Clinton should be ashamed. If I met him, that is exactly what I would tell him.

UN (US/UK) SANCTIONS: Primary cause of 600,000 deaths
August 1990 - March 2003

The United Nations Security Council has maintained comprehensive economic sanctions on Iraq since August 6, 1990. The international community increasingly views the sanctions as illegitimate and punitive, because of well-documented humanitarian suffering in Iraq and widespread doubts about the sanctions’ effectiveness and their legal basis under international humanitarian and human rights law. (2)

It is now clear that comprehensive economic sanctions in Iraq have hurt large numbers of innocent civilians not only by limiting the availability of food and medicines, but also by disrupting the whole economy, impoverishing Iraqi citizens and depriving them of essential income, and reducing the national capacity of water treatment, electrical systems and other infrastructure critical for health and life. People in Iraq have died in large numbers. The extent of death, suffering and hardship may have been greater than during the armed hostilities, especially for civilians, as we shall see in more detail below. Comprehensive sanctions in Iraq, then, are not benign, non-violent or ethical. (2)

A UN "Oil-for-Food Programme," started in late 1997, offered some relief to Iraqis, but the humanitarian crisis continued. (1)

Over a period of about five years, serving an Iraqi population of 23 million, the program has delivered roughly $200 worth of goods per capita per year, including oil spare parts and other goods not directly consumed by the population. Allowing for domestic production outside the Oil-for-Food program and for smuggling, the result still appears to leave Iraqi citizens an exceedingly low per capita income which may be at or below the $1 per day World Bank threshold of absolute poverty. (2)

The measurement of deaths rests on the concept of “excess” mortality – those deaths that exceed the mortality rate in the previous, pre-sanctions period or that exceed a projection of the earlier trend towards further gains. (2)

All of these excess deaths should not be ascribed to sanctions. Some may be due to a variety of other causes. But all major studies make it clear that sanctions have been the primary cause, because of the sanctions’ impact on food, medical care, water, and other health-related factors. (2)

Prof. Richard Garfield of Columbia University carried out a separate and well-regarded study of excess mortality in Iraq. Garfield considered the same age group and the same time period as the UNICEF study. He minimized reliance on official Iraqi statistics by using many different statistical sources, including independent surveys in Iraq and inferences from comparative public health data from other countries. Garfield concluded that there had been a minimum of 100,000 excess deaths and that the more likely number was 227,000. He compared this estimate to a maximum estimate of 66,663 civilian and military deaths during the Gulf War. Garfield now thinks the most probable number of deaths of under-five children from August 1991 to June 2002 would be about 400,000. (2)

There are no reliable estimates of the total number of excess deaths in Iraq beyond the under-five population. Even with conservative assumptions, though, the total of all excess deaths must be far above 400,000. (2)

In the face of such powerful evidence, the US and UK governments have sometimes practiced bold denial. Brian Wilson, Minister of State at the UK Foreign Office told a BBC interviewer on February 26, 2001 “There is no evidence that sanctions are hurting the Iraqi people.” When denial has proved impossible, officials have occasionally fallen back on astonishingly callous affirmations. In a famous interview with Madeleine Albright, then US representative at the United Nations, Leslie Stahl of the television show 60 Minutes said: “We have heard that half a million children have died . . . is the price worth it? Albright replied, “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price – we think the price is worth it.” (2)

(1) Sanctions Against Iraq
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/indexone.htm

(2) Iraq Sanctions: Humanitarian Implications and Options for the Future
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/2002/paper.htm
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:36 PM
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17. AMEN!!
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:38 AM
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22. So UN sanctions cause Clinton to be War Criminal
How desperate you are to blame him for something.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:53 AM
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23. No kidding
All the people that think the UN is the answer to everything are blaming those sanctions on Clinton. It's so dishonest.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:43 AM
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24. Nope. Not desparate. All of the countries on the Security Council begged the U.S.
to end the killing sanctions against Iraq. Clinton could've easily ended them, but he didn't. He left John (death squad) Negroponte at the U.N. and the sanctions just kept killing.

I have been very,very consistent on this point for a long time -- before Hillary announced her run. I will be consistent on this point forever -- Clinton could have ended the devastating economic sanctions but he did not.

We must overcome "party loyalty" to see our nation clearly.
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