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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:09 AM
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It is ALL about the number of delegates. Obama 38, Clinton 36 OBAMA IS WINNING.
Delegate count is the basis for party nomination. A little inconvenient fact for the Clintonites.

OBAMA IS WINNING contrary to what GE, TimeWarner, Faux, ABC/Disney and other corporate friends of Hillary would have you believe.

BTW - I see where Clinton is contesting the Nevada delegates to Obama. Typical of people who think the Presidency is their birthright as pledged by the corporate hegemony.

J
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:09 AM
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1. .
:argh:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:14 AM
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2. Clinton 236, Obama 136, Edwards 50.
Hillary is winning.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:16 AM
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5. That's counting the uncommitted establishment delegates.
Hey, where are all the apologies that were promised last night? Hmmm...

NGU.


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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:18 AM
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6. unlike regular delegates, superdelegates can change their commitment at any time...
Which is why superdelegate pledge counts -- like the one you posted -- aren't particularly meaningful, especially this early in the process.

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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:38 AM
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13. The same thing applies to "regular" delegates.
Many of them that will not be chosen until a later date. Delegate counts are projections. Nevada won't even be choosing their national delegates until sometime in April, I believe.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:08 AM
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19. Does that make the others the "irregular" delegates?
Ewwwwww...

But seriously, aren't the people's delegates committed - that is, they need to go to whom they're committed, unless the candidate drops? As opposed to the Washington insider delegates who don't have to decide till April?

NGU.


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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:19 AM
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7. Sure...that's the count if you include uncommitted (aka. bribable and rigged) votes.
I'm touting the REAL DEMOCRATIC VOTE. The delegate votes given by the states based upon DEMOCRATIC VOTES. Not the vote count including the rigged uncommitted and NON-DEMOCRATIC king-maker pseudo-votes.

J
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:19 AM
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8. Sure...that's the count if you include uncommitted (aka. bribable and rigged) votes.
I'm touting the REAL DEMOCRATIC VOTE. The delegate votes given by the states based upon DEMOCRATIC VOTES. Not the vote count including the rigged uncommitted and NON-DEMOCRATIC king-maker pseudo-votes.

J
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:15 AM
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3. interesting how in Clinton's supposed "wins", Obama actually picks up more delegates...
Same thing happened in New Hampshire.

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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:15 AM
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4. Come Super Tuesday that 2delegate lead is going to look.......

very very insignificant if Hillary walks off with California, NY and NJ.
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Thoth11 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:29 AM
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9. Clinton won Popular vote but Obama won more Delegates
In Nevada the numbers show that while Clinton won the Popular vote, Obama won more Delegates-13 to Clinton's 12. Unless of course you throw in the 'declared Super Delegates', then we have a tie both candidates with 14 delegates. How can either candidate claim victory? In the case of Nevada alone, it looks like the Super Delegates will be the deciding factor. If we end up close races nation wide, it could very well be the Super Delegates that pick our candidate for us. Doesn't seem hardly fair to me that a group of established politicians get to decide for the rest of us. Especially when it seems so many people are tired of practically all the establishment, and are finally ready to do something about it. By do something about I mean, vote them out.

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Thoth11 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:29 AM
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10. Clinton won Popular vote but Obama won more Delegates
In Nevada the numbers show that while Clinton won the Popular vote, Obama won more Delegates-13 to Clinton's 12. Unless of course you throw in the 'declared Super Delegates', then we have a tie both candidates with 14 delegates. How can either candidate claim victory? In the case of Nevada alone, it looks like the Super Delegates will be the deciding factor. If we end up close races nation wide, it could very well be the Super Delegates that pick our candidate for us. Doesn't seem hardly fair to me that a group of established politicians get to decide for the rest of us. Especially when it seems so many people are tired of practically all the establishment, and are finally ready to do something about it. By do something about I mean, vote them out.

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jonnywishbone07 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:34 AM
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11. look up super delegates
obama is losing BIG
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:38 AM
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12. let's throw some more gas into the flame wars
and now accuse Obama of stealing delegates/votes... :eyes:

FYI-the more hillary-bashing that goes on around here the more I want to vote for her

flame away...don't care...burn yourself out and let's just practice equal-opportunity bashing sheesh
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:39 AM
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14. She won by 6% of the votes....she is the winner....of Nev......she got the Big Mo
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:42 AM
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17. Nevada was a must win state for him

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=272166

He had all the advantages and did'nt capaitalise on them.

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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:41 AM
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15. I hope all of this is spin and no one believes in their heart
believes this. HRC is ahead in totlal delegates.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:41 AM
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16. If Obama were to win, I would wish it to be because the people voted for him
And not because of some obscure delegate system. It would be like the the 2000 election all over again where Bush won without winning the popular vote.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:43 AM
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18. Ya' know, anytime you start a sentence with "Typical of people who..."
there's supposed to be a little alarm that goes off in your head warning that you are about to say something stupid.

Anyway, I guess we should cancel the rest of the primaries if Obama's ahead right now.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:12 AM
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21. How about let's have the rest of the primaries and BE HONEST about them?
And cheer all of our candidates' victories as we enjoy the first real Dem primary in almost half a century?

I'd be rather happy with that.

NGU.


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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:11 AM
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20. No. What matters is the upcoming states. The current number of delegates is irrelevant.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:15 AM
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22. It's all about media perception. I'll take a 6% popular vote win over 1 delegate at this point.
If Obama wins the nom by a single delegate, THEN we'll talk.
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