As of today, I am worried if Hillary wins....we will lose in November.

[Roxy66]

"The one person that can unite the Republican party is Hillary"...as stated this morning on MTP. I am a big supporter of a woman Pres, and was thrilled when Hillary won in NH, and slapped the pundits (Tweety) in the face....but I think if she is our nominee...we will lose. They will unite...the pundits will hammer her for 10 months...and we will have another Repug Pres. I hate it!! But I think this will be the case. If she is the nominee...I will vote for her, but the odds are against her and us if she is.

I need to add..... I really like Hillary. I am just looking down the road to the Election, and looking at the history of the MSN coverage.... They love to bash her, and I think we will be in trouble by September. I'm less worried about the Republicans making the case against her...than the snarky Pundits trying to give entertainment to this most important time in our Country.

[stray cat]

1. I'm worried with any of our candidates all though I like them all ok.

[PaDUer]

115. You're right...it's part of the R plan..

it's all a setup..the repubs wanted Hillary to be the nominee because the Rove machine is working in the background..who they're really afraid of is John Edwards because he's going to kick their butt right to the clink..and the media knows it too, that's why they're trying to keep him off the news as much as possible thus, in an attempt, for the people to think he's not even in the race, and it's apparently working...we've got to get the message to the people what is actually taking place again.

[Vincardog]

2. IF she wins we have another repug pres. Remember NAFTA and the end of welfare

brought to you under the democratic leadership of Big Bill.
Who refused to investigate and incarcerate the powers behind Iran/Contra and the BCCI scandal?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Scary. :( nt

[LeftCoast]

8. You voted for Nader in 2000 didn't you?

I heard exactly the same argument then.

[Vincardog]

16. No I voted for Gore. I also went to NM and worked GOTV for 2 weeks before the election. What did

you do for the cause Kreskin?

[LeftCoast]

22. Well, I didn't go smearing Democrats with ridiculous assertions

But why did you vote for Kerry when Gore was our candidate in 2000?

[Vincardog]

30. Clinton did not lobby for and push NAFTA? He didn't cut back radically on WELFARE?

What ridiculous assertion are you referring to?

[Roxy66]

17. LeftCoast...was that a question for me?

[LeftCoast]

24. No

I was addressing the individual who sees no difference between a Democrat and a republican.

[Vincardog]

27. Do you see any difference between "Corporate "Centrists'" and Progressive Populists causes?

[LisaL]

34. Oh right.

I guess for Obama it would be a walk in the park.
It's either Hillary or Obama and neither one is a traditional presidential candidate.
I don't see as to why Hillary would have less of a chance than Obama.

[Vincardog]

49. And what about Dennis? Why is the choice between HRC and BHO?

[LisaL]

76. Have you seen his primary results?

[Frances]

35. I think Hillary has learned from her mistakes-and Bill's

I don't think Obama even knows what the mistakes are. His praise for Reagan and the Republicans got him votes in rural Nevada, but what does that say about how he would govern?

[sb5697]

90. u think! you're not paying attention then.

[JerseygirlCT]

119. He didn't praise Reagan. He said he changed things -

that doesn't mean the change was for the better. But he's correct; it was a big change. One that unfortunately brought us the Bushes.

And I don't think the people who absolutely will not vote for H. Clinton under any circumstances will be looking at whether she's learned from mistakes. I think there's this reservoir of resistance toward her and it's just going to make it incredibly difficult for her to win.

I imagine she'd be a better president than candidate, actually. Especially if she can keep Bill in his place, which might be tough.

But I absolutely think she'd have a hard time winning -- a harder time than Obama.

[dchill]

58. XXX-actly!

:)

[Radical Activist]

77. corporate media consolidation

no action on health care or most Democratic issues. If Hillary is nominated we have lose-lose election.

[DainBramaged]

108. Another Dem hater pisses on DU and our candidates

[Vincardog]

117. The guy with the UAW sticker calls me a Dem hater for remembering NAFTA Your name says it all

[DainBramaged]

125. Another red x blah blah blah

[Vincardog]

128. Do you have a point or are you just DainBramaged? What UAW member like NAFTA?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

4. ANYTHING stated on MTP by gluteal jaw jackers is suspect and hardly cause for

fear.

The MSM is desperately trying to figure out which of our candidates will be the Democratic GE candidate, and they're throwing whatever sticks at each of them. Today it was the old meme about HRC uniting the R's, which has not been at all evident in the anemic voter turnout for the R's, so far.

Take a breath, otherwise you're going to spend the next 10 months perpetually breathing into a paper bag. :toast: MKJ

[trumad]

5. I'm worried that this place will lose the Hill bashers once she's nominated.

NOT!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

38. So,

:spray:


MKJ

[elfin]

6. PLUS - the Bloomberg possibility

I think he will jump in if she gets it -- but not if Obama succeeds. He wouldn't mind squelching her(and Bill), especially if Rudy wins the Rep. side, but he would not want to be the spoiler against the first African-American candidate.

This is based on speculation by pundits (Andrea Mitchell primarily)and the fact he and Obama had a very visible lunch.
If McPain is the Rep., he may stay out.

I don't know why the Clintons bother him so much, but apparently there is no love lost.

If he enters - another factor against the Dems winning as he siphons off the Anyone But Hillary votes.

[Cleita]

7. It depends on whom she's running against.

She will beat most of the Republican candidates, but I think she could lose to McCain. I hope he doesn't get the nomination.

[Little Star]

9. Hate to disagree. They will go after Obama and all the new drama

he brings with the Rezko/Corruption stuff. He will not fair well when the R's get a hold of him. Safer with the already vetted Hillary.

[Libby2]

10. I'm worried too.

I like Hilllary and I think she would make a wonderful President, but I can't deny, I'm worried.

[Triana]

11. that's the Repig plan (n/t)

[LeftCoast]

12. I do not believe she will energize or unite republicans but if she does, so what?

There are more Dems than repubs and we are very very motivated this time around. Turnout will be very good.

[Pastiche423]

60. There may be more Dems

But not all will vote for her. Same thing goes for the Independents. I am an Independent and I will not vote for her.

[Blackhatjack]

13. IMHO Hillary is least electable of the top 3 Dems. Edwards is Most Electable. n/t

[Roxy66]

15. I agree... but Edwards is completely ignored.

[papau]

25. I agree - MTP excuse was Edwards doesn't poll well - but the Bash Hillary MTP was to be expected

Timmy does what his masters want (remember for the good of the country Gore should not challenge Bush in Florida election vote - said after his 3 am walk in the park with Jack Welsh, the CEO of GE - - but we find in any statewide recount Gore would have won Florida - the USSC chose the pres 5 to 4).

When Timmy Russert says something, or a panel he has set up answers a question he has written, I reach for the salt shaker.

[bdamomma]

106. anyone who tells the truth is being ignored.

plus do you think they are messing around with the votes also. this caucus in Nevada did the results sound clean to you? 4% for Edwards, something is definitely going on. Or do I have this on:tinfoilhat:

[JeanGrey]

126. If Edwards drops out, what do you think would happen if he

throws his support to Obama?

[OHdem10]

14. As an Edwards supporter, I believe HRC can win if she wins

the nomination and everyone gets busy working to make her win.

If it is more fun to bash and attempt to discredit her, the GOP
win.

[Roxy66]

20. I really like Hillary.... not trying to bash. Just looking down the road

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. HRC will stand up to the republicans. she has what it takes.

[NoBorders]

129. That has nothing to do with it.

It's the what voters think of her. She can 'stand up' to repugs all she wants. But people already have an opinion of her, and will vote accordingly.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. That is exactly what the repukes want you to think.

They have already investigated every nook and cranny of the Clinton's lives and got nowhere by doing so. There's nothing they can do to Hillary that they haven't already tried to do.

[peacebird]

32. they don't need to investigate, they just need to fan the hate. A large number of Repubs HATE

anything Clinton.

She will energize the evangelicals and a large number of the repub base to hit the polls just to vote against her.

And frankly I cannot see HRC bringing the country together, or standing up for the average American. Her health Insurance plan is a perfect example. Talk about a boon for the insurance industry. Why not a health CARE policy instead?

She owes too much to big industry in this country now, and Murdoch. Do you really think she will govern as a progressive? Or will she continue as a "centrist" which is basically a moderate republican.

I do not trust someone who is incapable of admitting they were wrong, and is unable to take responsibility for their actions. "If I knew then what I know now..."
:eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. I too hate Hillary's IWR vote and her inability to apologize for it. It Pisses me off. I also think

that if the repukes try to continue the old Clinton fight, they will completely finish off the party. Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating. WHY? It was because the people were sick to death of the CRAP the repukes were throwing at the Clintons. Hillary then went on to win a Senate seat in NY. I don't think Hillary is hated as much as some people like to think she is and by the crowds Bill pulls...he is far from hated by SANE people.

As for Hillary's Health Insurance/Care plan....perhaps we, the people, can encourage her to change it? Maybe she will tweak it once in office. If we own the House and Senate, we can pretty much pass anything we want to pass! Congress will have input on that also, no? I don't know about you, but having a choice between Hillary Clinton and any of the repuke nominees...I would choose Hill in a heartbeat. I hate her IWR vote. I detest her Kyl/Lieberman vote. I hate her relationship with the scumbag Murdoch, but with all that being said...she's still better than any repuke candidate. This country cannot afford another repuke administration. That's all there is to it. This is do or die time.

[sb5697]

87. They don't have to do anything. The independents won't vote

for her as evidenced in the primaries--that's fact. She can't win without them.

[dkofos]

21. Why else would the right want her to win??

[spanone]

23. negative thinking is 100% positive

:toast:

[brazos121200]

26. If Hillary is the nominee it will be an interesting election.

She has the Clinton machine in back of her and the Democratic establishment likes her, in fact they ( the Clinton establishment)ARE the Democratic establishment. In a long campaign she will probably fare better than either Obama or Edwards. Obama will be hit with every right wing racist scare tactic you can imagine, and some you can't. Edwards is a wonderful person but couldn't carry his home state back in 04. I think Hillary will have an easy time if McCain is the repub nominee. He lacks the killer instinct that Bush and Rove had and I think he would run a lackluster campaign, similar to Dole's back in 96. She could always try one of her "tearing up" routines if McCain starts to pull out front like she did with Obama in NH. With a fighting running mate, such as Jim Webb or Gen Clark, I think the Democrats will put up a formidable challenge to the repubs this year, and the upcoming recession can't hurt, either.

[Roxy66]

29. I hope your analogy is right... thanks for the positive vibes

[krabigirl]

28. Every white, Republican, male attack on her will work in her favor.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

42. LOL.

I do believe that's the secret sauce. :toast: MKJ

[Clinton Crusader]

31. The Dems need to use this photo E-V-E-R-Y-W-H-E-R-E

[Roxy66]

33. That pic always creeps me out...ugh

[DFW]

70. Me too

That pic reminds me why McCain's talk is about as straight as a wet spaghetti noodle.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

39. GREAT IDEA!

:toast:

MKJ

[Clinton Crusader]

40. McCain looks positively orgasmic for Gods sake....eek factor high

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

41. that and infantile. Double creepy combination.

MKJ

[Clinton Crusader]

44. and this is the guy who RUINED him in SC in 2000!

What a spineless character McCain is! How quickly he forgot and forgave what was done to him in SC!

What I don't get about all this "McCain would beat Hillary in a landslide" thinking is the country is totally against the war, but McCain is gung ho FOR the war. But then again the war doesn't come up much these days, does it?

In any case, McCain has a high creepy factor, IMHO.

[bdamomma]

109. ugh, what a disgusting picture, McCain is crazy hugging *

after what * said about him in 2000. Disgusting. McCain what a kiss-up.

[HughBeaumont]

122. Keep Kissing, Maverick!!

How does Bewsh's shoulder smell?

Sadly, Dumberica would vote for him.

[Generic Brad]

36. Not me

Based on primary turnout alone - the Republicans simply do not have the numbers to compete this time around. They are dead and dying. The Democratic nominee will be the next POTUS.

[ursi]

37. Generic Brad, I think you are right but I also don't underestimate

the ability of people to unite against a common enemy. I think that is what some people are worried about.

[NNN0LHI]

45. That is because you have bought the Repig line of bullshit

Shame.

Don

[Perry Logan]

46. Stale memes never die.

[Midlodemocrat]

47. Nope. They just stink more.

[stravu9]

48. I Think we WILL lose unless Edwards is the nominee...

I think the corporate media knows this and is setting it up.

[iamthebandfanman]

50. im not

but i am worried about the corporate strangle hold that tightens every year on our government, regardless of who is elected.

[NoodleyAppendage]

51. Your fears are justified. She is the LEAST likely to secure a comfortable election margin.

Millions will turn out just to vote against her and maybe half of that amount will be Dems refusing to show up at the polls for her (including me).

J

[marlakay]

52. If most republicans are like my bosses your right

they think she is evil and her and bill have killed people to be in office. They are smart people, used to work in DC and have owned many large businesses. Scarey what is out there about her...one of the reasons I want someone else...anyone else. Too much hate.

[B Calm]

53. Not only Hillary, Obama too will spell doom to the democratic party

in November! Mark my fucking words. I won't vote for either one and I'm life long democrat!

[sb5697]

84. Need a white male eh?

[B Calm]

91. Not really. I just want a real democrat, not one who praises Reagan!

[sb5697]

92. I've seen excerpts where all 3 of these candidates said

something positive about Reagan. Now what? Does honesty count for anything?

[B Calm]

93. I know Hillary has, you like to point out where Edwards said Reagan was a postive force,

or do you just want to hit and run?

[sb5697]

95. I won't hit and run but it will but I will book mark this and get back to you.

[Roxy66]

96. Dem huh?

[shanti]

98. so, who would you vote for?

nobody??

[CANDO]

54. Republicans absolutely thrive when they have an enemy to go after.

Doesn't make it fair, but that's what they do best. I'm hearing the "Obama is a Muslim" crap already at work. It's really sickening to watch them go after our candidates while ignoring the sorry bunch of morons in their own primary.

[Roxy66]

97. My Dad is a lifelong Dem...and loves Edwards, but he is a "Southern" Dem...

He has inbedded racial tendencies. He gets these weird e-mails from some of his right wing brothers and friends...he forwards them to me all the time without even reading them. I have asked him to stop, but I think he forgets after a while and just sends them off. Anyway, he forwarded one to me the other day and it was that e-mail that is being circulated about Obama being a Muslim....lets just say I freaked out and shot an e-mail back telling him it is a crock and not to believe some of that crap he recieves....he e-mailed me back saying it could be true..and how do I know whether or not he is a Muslim.....that scared the shit out of me. If my Dad...and he HATES Republicans...could fall for it, lots of others will too.

[DemGa]

55. Two words: Women's vote...nt

[Pastiche423]

61. Not all women like her

I, for one.

[DemGa]

62. Of course, that's true

But this will be a momentous event for women, and I believe they will rise to the occasion (in general).

[Pastiche423]

64. What makes you think some women will only vote for her

because she is a woman?

I'd love for a woman to be president, Barbara Boxer for sure, but not Hillary.

[DemGa]

66. They do have to like her first

I think it will generate quite a lot of excitement, when it becomes clearer what is at hand for the advancement of women. I think this will span generations, but will be especially prominent among younger women. Very exciting, I think.

[Pastiche423]

73. What advancement of women?

Having a woman as president does what for the advancement? I know no Dem women that are warmongers.

[Marr]

80. I think it'd be terrible for women, personally.

If our first female president is just another corporate lackey with different genitalia, it's going to be more depressing than inspiring.

[bdamomma]

110. Barbara Boxer would be great she's a fighter.

[Pastiche423]

121. That she is!

I am on her email list and she is plowing ahead w/great work, such as Climate Change.

[JerseygirlCT]

120. She's not my preference either

Women are most definitely NOT a monolithic voting bloc

[salin]

56. Interestingly enough, there are folks here who fear if Obama wins, or if Edwards wins...

that the gen election will go to the GOP.

The reality - is the public is more aligned with the democratic candidates (turnout between dem primaries/caucuses and gops have been very lopsided dem) ... BUT that regardless of who the candidate is there WILL be vicious swiftboating and Gore-ing from the rw echochamber. IMO no candidate gets it worse or less than the other candidates. The key will be the response - and the growing savvy of the public to the gimmicks of the GOP.

I find the SC outcomes very comforting in that the very sliming that has worked there before was on high gear (by groups supporting Huckabee) and this time - the effect was nowhere as near as in the past. Basically, more of the voting public - esp those leaning GOP enough to vote in the GOP primary - are becoming cynical and impervious to the types of sliming and smearing that is inevitable from the right.

[ileus]

57. the MSM will come around, they're as tired of repukes as we are.

[Richard Steele]

59. Step AWAY from the crack pipe.

That's just the silliest damn statement I've seen all day.

[sb5697]

89. Funny!

[Yael]

69. !!!

:rofl:

My sides hurt...

[Zhade]

63. We lose even if she wins.

The creeping fascism just goes more stealthy - anyone who suggests she has the right to choose her own (illegally-gained by the criminals she'd replace) powers is not fit to be president.

[PassingFair]

65. TRUE STORY.

So I'm in a SALES MEETING last Monday. About 30 Sales Reps, getting our weekly
"briefing". A couple of the new reps start complaining about the economy....
(we experienced reps refer to the economy as the "e-word", because we have
LEARNED NOT TO MENTION it in meetings, as management does not construe the
"E-word" as an excuse for missing quotas :crazy:)

...anyway, our CANVASS MANAGER wants to put a stop to this little uprising.
He gets up and says, and I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP...

"Well, if Hillary Clinton gets in the economy is going right down the tube,
and what will you do then? Everything will just get WORSE.
You just have to keep selling, this may be the EASIEST TIME!"

This, from a guy who has been outwardly NON-POLITICAL in the 5 years I've
worked with him. He said this OUT LOUD, to a ROOM FULL of people.

If I wasn't a KNOWN agitator, I would not have stood up next and said:
"To your first point, Al, I think we can ALL AGREE that one thing
worse than a Clinton win would be FOUR MORE YEARS UNDER REPUBLICAN RULE,
ANY Republican!"

This was met with whoops and claps from around 1/4 of the reps, mostly my
friends and not a few of the African American reps that had been FLABBERGASTED
at the "bosses" little speech. (They are Obama fans).

I don't think Hillary can win in the general election.
I think she's the only candidate, besides Kucinich, who CAN'T win the general.

People HATE her.

I don't like her, and I'm now in a position where I have to defend her, and
believe me, it's TEPID.

[B Calm]

72. I drive an 18 wheeler for a living and I hear crap about Hillary

everyday on the CB. I use to defend her, but not anymore. I do like to point out to these right-wing CB rambos that Hillary was president of the Young Republicans in college. Then I point how great it would be to see John Edwards as our next president.

[PassingFair]

74. Yep, my boss went on to say...

that he's received some e-mails that say that Hillary has
"killed hundreds of people"!!!1!

"Yea, Al, the 1st Lady was a SERIAL KILLER, you KNOW better
than that."

I still defend her, I really believe that
ANY democrat will be better than the
'pugligans that are running. Looks like
we may be stuck with her.

[Yael]

67. You are not alone

Just wait until Hillary:The Movie starts making the rounds.

I read a review on MotherJones.com this past week after its release that said it isn't about the 90s, it is about "corruption and lies" from 2000 on.

The "VRWC" is ginning up the machines and we will have INTEGRITY HONESTY TRUSTWORTHINESS blasted at us non-stop, 24/7.

[mia]

68. While I like Clinton and Obama, Edwards stands a better chance of winning.

This is the main reason that I prefer that he get the nomination. I like what he has to say about American jobs too.
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_Edwards.htm#Jobs

[sb5697]

82. Why does he stand a better chance? I see this a lot but

no one has good justification. I suspect it's the obvious but no one has the guts to say it--he's a white male, because it's certainly not his issues and credibility. His congressional voting record is just as suspect as Hillary's. If he can't get his message across now and get more than 5% of the vote what makes you think he would be any better in a general election?

[mia]

114. Anti-Democrats I know joke about a Clinton or Obama win.

They have nothing bad to say about Edwards except that they don't hear much about him.

The media is framing the race in so many ways. I was for Clark in 2004 because I thought he could beat Bush, had he won the nomination. The media didn't cover his campaign. My reasoning for Edwards are along the same lines now.

All 3 candidates are excellent for different reasons, but Edwards stands a better chance of winning against any Republican. For me, the "white male" factor didn't influence what I thought in 2004 and it doesn't now...not to say it couldn't be a factor for some. I suppose that's why race and gender issues have gotten so much instant press for Clinton and Obama and why they garner so much discussion on this board.

I want a Democrat to win the election.

[Mutineer]

71. I've said it from Day One

she cannot win a general election. There's too much history, too much hatred with the Clintons. I love the Big Dog. I voted for him twice and wish I could vote for him 2 more times. But I haven't connected with HRC and if I feel that way as a Dem, how the hell are we supposed to attract Indies? We can't. And we won't. And we'll lose. Again.

[sb5697]

85. You're right and it seems people would rather pay attention to their

hopes rather than that staring them right in the face. She has yet to capture the independent vote in the primaries (factual). Now how is she going to get it in the GE....some people are thinking and voting with their emotions.

[Kazak]

75. Do you think they let Republican women vote?

;)

[Iktomiwicasa]

78. Makes me happy...

...that I'm not a duhmurican. You people have a choice between bad and worse, dumb and dumber. Your problem is that you folks choose dishonest politicians, and not real leaders. Sorry state of affairs if you ask me. I'll just enjoy sitting back and watching while y'all just consume yourselves. Foolish culture, foolish people.....

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

99. It's always refreshing when an FR disciple just ups and outs themself.

Looking at YOUR candidates, is an utter and complete joy for us DUers.

Who on your side sets your heart aflutter, which of those stellar GOPers from which you must pick meets your standards of non dishonest "real leader"?

Thompson? Guiliani? Chuckabee, I mean Huckabee? Wait, I know, MCCAIN! No, no, wait, PAUL!

:rofl: MKJ

[Iktomiwicasa]

100. I am not...

... a republican by any means. I am a traditionalist Lakota man from Pine Ridge, S. Dakota. Give me ONE good reason why I should have any loyalty to the U.S, or any Duhmurican political party. No, not even close to being a republican....I just dislike the entire U.S. government, as much as you dislike the republicans.

Orrie Bearshield

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

101. Then why post here? Why sign up as a member of message board which is designed to provide a

discussion for those of the Democratic wing of politics AND the government, if you have nothing to offer but cynical ridicule?

If you hold that level of antipathy toward those of us who are trying to have an on line dialog with each other, it seems almost counterproductive to your own mental/emotional well being to become a member of that community. MKJ

[Iktomiwicasa]

102. Oh, I have plenty to say...

...and occasionally someone here listens }(

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

105. I heard your contempt loud and clear.

MKJ

AND your FR "codeword" for DU.

[Iktomiwicasa]

107. A bit

paranoid, are we? Or are you just blind to the fact that my people have been continuously screwed over by the U.S. government, dem and repubs?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

113. I know what I read, the words are clear.

MKJ

[BeHereNow]

130. O.B., you're wasting your breath, but gee...it's fun to watch.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hey, what do you call a white man in
a room full of 400 Indians...?

BHN

[sb5697]

79. SHALLOW, and many more of you according to your posts. If someone said

they were voting for Obama because her was black you would be raising hell--and rightfully so as that would be shallow also. Further you would say they were a racists. Oh I get it, sexism is ok as long as it's a woman promoting it.....hmmmm. Boy we are in some real trouble. I AM A REAL SUPPORTER OF THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN IF IT'S A MONKEY. YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GROW UP.

[sb5697]

83. PLEASE GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF HILLARY UNITING!

Specifically as it relates to drafting and passing legislation. Hell I'll even take legislation that didn't get passed but there was at least a good fight over it.

[cooolandrew]

81. Turnout for Dems has been very high. I'm still rooting for Barack but even if it's Hillary it's OK.

Taking figues into account we've got it in the bag just what they do with the bag is the worry I'd say now.

[alfredo]

86. Get a grip man, we can win with all three top candidates.

[cutlassmama]

88. Nope. The economy is going to tank. Has to be a

Democrat in office.

[grateful581]

94. Agree

It scares the hell out of me that Hillary is going to be our candidate. People really hate her. The swing voters will go to the republican side if she is our candidate.

[bdamomma]

111. yea, and Bloomberg is waiting in the wings.

[Zorra]

103. Yeah, I'm pretty worried about it too. Because of what corporations

and corporate media have done to the Dem Party, I'm thinking it's all a set up.

The republicans are in such disfavor that the only possible way for us to lose is by nominating exactly the wrong candidate.

So, is corporate America sponsoring that candidate? Is the MSM promoting that candidate?

I don't believe that my fears are unwarranted.

[bdamomma]

104. If Hillary wins this is totally a set up for another big fall for the Demcratic party.

they (neo cons and repigs) have been planning for this. Do you really think that these thugs want another Clinton in the WH, after how they got after Bill's a$$. Think about it.

Edwards is the best choice.

[Justpat]

112. Then you, like the majority of the people in this country

are basing presidential decisions on fifteen years worth of media generated hate.

Why do you hate Clinton? Is it because of her policies? Or because you have come to
believe the tale that she is "unlikable"? She's too shrill?

WTF? Are citizens of our country so brain dead that they have lost all reasoning
skills?

The Hillary hatred started when Richard Mellon Scaife began his personal, well funded
vendetta against both Clintons because of his supremely arrogant belief that in his
eyes they were unfit for office. (This from a wealthy scumbag now undergoing a divorce
for adultery with a hooker in a 45.00 a night hotel) David Brock, who used to belong to
the right wing hit squad that started it all, says that Scaife paid him to dig up dirt
on them both.

I was not a Hillary supporter until recently. But she is a fighter and what we need in
this country now is a person of either sex who can take on all this mindless bullshit
and call out the best in people by showing them how to be fearless, competent and
strong in the face of such appalling hatred.

[557188]

116. Everyone hates Bush...

Say what you want about stolen elections but the race should've never been close enough to steal in the first place.

This whole Hillary will bring out people voting against her is nonsense and won't effect the national election at all.

[leftofthedial]

118. THE LEFTOFTHEDIAL GUARANTEE!

We will lose in 2008. It is a dead nuts certainty. The question is how badly we will lose.

Either of the corporate-annointed Democratic candidates or any repuke and WE LOSE! It's just a matter of how badly.

Corporate rule will be further entrenched no matter which candidate of either party wins.

No matter who wins in 2008, WE LOSE!

Have a nice day.

[HughBeaumont]

123. Will America EVER get it?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/35

[mdmc]

124. HRC can only be stopped by Obama

HRC and diebold can't be beat. Corporations will side with her over Mac or Mitt. I doubt Ghouls could beat her either.

So if you are really worried about us losing, please don't be. HRC will be the next President.

[rucky]

127. This is the strongest field of candidates that I can remember...

The GOP field is a bunch of goons. And we're in the strongest position as a party to win.

If we lose in November it's our own damn faults for not getting our shit together, listening to the polls and pundits, bickering over stupid shit, and letting the big bucks do the talking.

I'm voting for the nominee, then ditching my party affiliation. Whatever happens, I wash my hands of it. Even if we win, Dems are damaged goods. The party that continually fails to meet even a low and reasonable set of expectations.