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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:50 AM
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NYT Column Supporting Free Trade Draws Sharp Criticism
Source: Korea Times

01-21-2008 10:08

NYT Column Supporting Free Trade Draws Sharp Criticism

WASHINGTON _ A U.S. economist's support for free trade and opposition to compensating Americans hurt by it drew broad criticism on Sunday, possibly indicating that congressional ratification of pending trade agreements, including one with South Korea, may be tougher than expected.

In a New York Times column on Wednesday, Steven Landsburg, an economics professor at the University of Rochester, questioned why the government should compensate workers who lose jobs because of foreign competition from free trade.

"All economists know that when American jobs are outsourced, Americans as a group are net winners. What we lose through lower wages is more than offset by what we gain through lower prices," he wrote in his support of free trade.

"If you are forced to pay $20 an hour to an American for goods you could have bought from a Mexican for $5 an hour, you are being extorted. When a free trade agreement (FTA) allows you to buy from the Mexican after all, rejoice in your liberation," he wrote.

The U.S. has three free trade agreements -- with South Korea, Panama and Colombia -- awaiting congressional approval. The Congress endorsed an FTA with Peru last year, and it is expected to vote on the deal with Colombia next. The FTA with South Korea, which was signed after those with Panama and Colombia, is expected to come up for a vote last.




Read more: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/01/205_17653.html



(My emphasis, of course.)
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:41 AM
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1. But are the lower prices passed to the consumer or
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 06:41 AM by BadgerKid
are the extra profits going into executives' pockets? :eyes:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:47 PM
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7. Invisible Hand! Invisible Hand! either this phantom appendage is akin to Creationist God
or perhaps the Golden Calf
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 07:18 AM
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2. Didn't someone say something like they created economists to make astrologers appear more accurate
I assume this guy may have lifetime tenure something almost unheard of in the real world of which he seems to have only a very small understanding.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:45 AM
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3. Isn't It Amazing How The Most Vocal Supporters For Free Trade
Are often from those whose jobs are least likely to be outsourced, although I probably get more being taught from an Indian telemarketer than from this jamoke. :eyes:
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lagavulin Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:04 PM
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6. New York Times -- "The Mouthpiece of Empire"

So then, according to Landsburg, every dollar spent at the local Wal-Mart actually BENEFITS your local economy! Boy oh boy, I can hardly wait 'til those benefits finally start to trickle down!

Someone needs to explain to Landsburg that there's a marked difference between diversifying an economy and diluting one.

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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:04 AM
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4. "All economists know...." that they have tenure and are immune to
what happens in the market place. Isn't it interesting what's happening to the peasants.

The truth is that the theory underlying "free trade" is a relic of the 17th and 18th centuries and is little more now than slogans - bumper sticker quality - mindlessly repeated by those who are blind to empirical realities.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:25 AM
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5. I think Paul Krugman's famous defense of free trade is the most persuasive...
Ricardo's Difficult Idea (Comparative Advantage)

"...My objective in this essay is to try to explain why intellectuals who are interested in economic issues so consistently balk at the concept of comparative advantage. Why do journalists who have a reputation as deep thinkers about world affairs begin squirming in their seats if you try to explain how trade can lead to mutually beneficial specialization? Why is it virtually impossible to get a discussion of comparative advantage, not only onto newspaper op-ed pages, but even into magazines that cheerfully publish long discussions of the work of Jacques Derrida? Why do policy wonks who will happily watch hundreds of hours of talking heads droning on about the global economy refuse to sit still for the ten minutes or so it takes to explain Ricardo?

In this essay, I will try to offer answers to these questions. The first thing I need to do is to make clear how few people really do understand Ricardo's difficult idea -- since the response of many intellectuals, challenged on this point, is to insist that of course they understand the concept, but they regard it as oversimplified or invalid in the modern world. Once this point has been established, I will try to defend the following hypothesis:

(i) At the shallowest level, some intellectuals reject comparative advantage simply out of a desire to be intellectually fashionable. Free trade, they are aware, has some sort of iconic status among economists; so, in a culture that always prizes the avant-garde, attacking that icon is seen as a way to seem daring and unconventional.
(ii) At a deeper level, comparative advantage is a harder concept than it seems, because like any scientific concept it is actually part of a dense web of linked ideas. A trained economist looks at the simple Ricardian model and sees a story that can be told in a few minutes; but in fact to tell that story so quickly one must presume that one's audience understands a number of other stories involving how competitive markets work, what determines wages, how the balance of payments adds up, and so on.
(iii) At the deepest level, opposition to comparative advantage -- like opposition to the theory of evolution -- reflects the aversion of many intellectuals to an essentially mathematical way of understanding the world. Both comparative advantage and natural selection are ideas grounded, at base, in mathematical models -- simple models that can be stated without actually writing down any equations, but mathematical models all the same. The hostility that both evolutionary theorists and economists encounter from humanists arises from the fact that both fields lie on the front line of the war between C.P. Snow's two cultures: territory that humanists feel is rightfully theirs, but which has been invaded by aliens armed with equations and computers...."

...What is different, according to Goldsmith, is that there are all these countries out there that pay wages that are much lower than those in the West -- and that, he claims, makes Ricardo's idea invalid. That's all there is to his argument; there is no hint of any more subtle content. In short, he offers us no more than the classic "pauper labor" fallacy, the fallacy that Ricardo dealt with when he first stated the idea, and which is a staple of even first-year courses in economics. In fact, one never teaches the Ricardian model without emphasizing precisely the way that model refutes the claim that competition from low-wage countries is necessarily a bad thing, that it shows how trade can be mutually beneficial regardless of differences in wage rates. The point is not that low-wage competition never poses a problem. Rather, what is significant is that despite ostentatiously citing Ricardo, Goldsmith completely misses one of the essential lessons of his argument.

http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/ricardo.htm
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:50 PM
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8. Or see this from yesterday:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:16 PM
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9. "Why should the government compensate workers?"
Simple, fuckface. Because their free trade agreements most enabled the corporations to perform the bastard Republican practice of job offshoring in the FIRST place. Lower wages are NOT good for ANY economy. That's called lost tax bases, closed plants (which in turn lead to closed stores and other secondary businesses), a constantly low-moraled and scared work force having to be mobile from constant relocation, and yes, LESS money going into the economy to take advantage of your precious "lower prices", Landsburg you fucking DICK.

Come to Northeast Ohio and the ghost-towns that litter it sometime and look at the cost of free trade. Go to any of the small towns in America that used to thrive, but now have boarded up weed-infested everything. Look at all the vacant office space in most mid-market cities and tell me how "progressive" it is that the Failure Fuhrer and the corporations he enables care more about the events and markets of countries that start with an "I" than they do our own.

When an economist can come up with a benevolent model that truly lifts ALL boats, then I'll start listening and believing them. Until then, I just see them as puppet defenders of the Republican agenda who's sole M.O. is to drown the middle class in favor of a low-paid and forever fearful populace that the elites are "destined" to rule over.

FUCK I hate Friedman-schooled, capital-favoring "economists". And the worst part about it all? THIS "you just gotta have FAITH that it will work as it ALWAYS has" mentality is what runs America. Straight into the fucking ground.

We'll never be a great nation as long as you have assholes who think like this running things.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:45 PM
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10. He should be asked
if he doesn't feel that college students benefit when the Profs don't have tenure.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:56 PM
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11. Seems that Landsburg's job ought to be outsourced.
Lectures can come from another part of the world via distance-learning technology - and surely someone somewhere for less can write his drivel laden columns. Think of how much money could be saved! Lower tuitions and newspaper costs!
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:36 PM
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13. Yep
I'd get more insight on global economics from a shoeless Bangladeshi part-time cabdriver than from this tenured pig.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:16 PM
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12. kick
:kick:
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