Serious question: How do you deal with conservative friends?

[knitter4democracy]

I have a stay-at-home dad friend who has been sending me e-mails that I thought were light-hearted attempts at having an adult conversation and a debate. He knows I'm a liberal, and I know he's a conservative, and all's well. We're not that close with him and his wife, but close enough. He golfs a few times every summer with my hubby, his wife really helped me though my kidney tumor thing in 2006, and our kids like to play together. I used to take the kids to the play group he ran, but their school schedules this year conflict with that. Anywho . . .

His e-mails have gotten, I don't know, angry. He sent me an essay his brother wrote, and when I disagreed with a few points (posted here somewhere), he e-mailed me back after having underlined parts and told me to re-read it. Um, I know how to read, thanks. I e-mailed back, saying I had read that and still disagreed with the points, citing my evidence. Then, yesterday, I got an e-mail with a Goldberg "Liberals are Fascists" excerpt and his note saying that I should read it carefully and be worried about Big Brother. Um, no, I won't read Goldberg. The interviews I've seen and short excerpts I have read tell me all I need to know about him and his shoddy research. I responded back that I wouldn't read it, and he just sent me an e-mail today all pissed off. He claims I don't have an open mind, claims that he reads the Nation and other things he disagrees with, and that obviously he can't have a conversation with me. I've responded that I have the right to have standards and that I don't have to read dreck just because it's popular right now. We'll see what he says.

Anyway, I'm wondering what to do. Other than this, he's a decent guy, and we like hanging out with them when we can. He and I have had heated debates before, but these e-mails are nastier than ever before. He's never gone for personal attacks like this, and he's sounding really angry, when he normally laughs stuff off and lets it go.

What do you do with conservative friends? Do you cut them off entirely? Do you make a pact not to discuss politics or anything problematic? What do you do?

[trumad]

1. I simply don't discuss politics with Kool-Aid drinkers.

it's a waist of time.

But if you want to briefly mess with them, just say...WMD's.

[Initech]

38. Same here.

I have quite a few conservative co-workers. We get along fine as long as we dont discuss religion or politics.

[water]

57. You aren't going to change their minds by being insulting and arrogant.

Sorry, but it's possible to hold a disagreement without you without being brainwashed. Do you hold the same attitude to those further to the left of you?

Oh, and it's "waste".

[trumad]

67. huh?

[shenmue]

2. Lately I just try to get out of there as soon as I can.

There used to be a saying, nice people don't discuss politics or religion. Now people think they can be incredibly rude to someone who's almost a stranger. And I've found this almost invariably means they're a Republican. They by definition don't care about the other person--that's why the party appeals to them. As if a stupid argument would actually change things in the outside world. It's just petty spite, and I don't want to take part in it anymore.

[Cleita]

3. I bombard them with facts. The end result is that they won't

talk politics with me, which is too bad because I don't mind educating them.

[HereSince1628]

4. Talk baseball during football season.

It works between me and my daughter. We also talk about summer vacations in January.
We've also spent some time looking at Seed catalogs together.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

5. Tell him he needs to back off. You disagree about politics, and him becoming louder and more

strident is not the way to go, it will do nothing but end any friendship that exists.

That if he respects your sense of limits he should stop spamming your email with right wing baloney.

Then if he doesn't respect your request and back off, friendship over.

I've had to do this, and the people involved HAVE backed off.

[knitter4democracy]

15. I think this might have to be my next step.

It's too bad, really, but I think it's becoming necessary.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

27. Here's the context. Even though most wouldn't admit it to you, many Republicans recognize that

their president and candidates have ROYALLY FUCKED THE COUNTRY OVER over these last 8 glorious years.

Some of them realize it explicitly and will admit it in conversation and realize that they are likely to lose the 08 elections BIGTIME.

Some of them do not realize it consciously but understand it on a gut level very well and fear the consequences to their party and political identity.

This is true, for instance, where I live which is 80 plus percent Republican Bush lovers and many realize and fear what is about to happen. Of course they all secretly hope that they can somehow pull out a Presidential election win over a Clinton candidacy but that's a whole other topic.

The point is, that recognizing, basically, that they were wrong, and their choices were wrong, and that this may be about to be repudiated in a historical way in November, and it's personal to them. It's a referendum on them, and their shitty choices, AS IT SHOULD BE. That's why it's getting more nasty, aside from the inherent nastiness of discourse encouraged by the Right Wing over these last 20 years or so.

This in no way justifies the actions of someone like this, but it just goes to explain it somewhat.

[knitter4democracy]

64. I think you're right.

This certainly is where my FIL is in his politics right now. They cut us off years ago in discussing politics, as we're liberals and they're evangelical conservatives, but little things slip out.

[Glorfindel]

6. DO NOT discuss politics with them if they're truly friends

and you don't want to lose them. You'll never change their minds, not one little bit. I have cherished family members who are staunch Repukes and we never, ever discuss politics. There is, after all, plenty of other stuff to talk about. As Professor Henry Higgins recommended, "everybody's health, and the weather." It's like the wise advice about not trying to teach a pig to sing: "It wastes your time and annoys the pig." :hi:

[GardeningGal]

7. My two cents worth....

I have an understanding with the conservatives I know (friends and family) that we cannot discuss politics if we want to see each other. It just doesnt' work for me.

In reading what you've said about this friend, it sounds to me like he's one of those that is using the anonymity feeling of the internet to say things he wouldn't say to your face. If it were me, I'd call him on it in the next e-mail exchange and ask him why his personality is so much more aggressive in e-mail than in person. He may not realize how it comes across.

[knitter4democracy]

20. That's a really good idea.

Maybe we're both coming off more strident in the e-mails than we would if we were talking on the phone or face-to-face. I think I'll bring that up if he responds.

[porphyrian]

8. I don't have conservative friends.

Conservatives don't want to be my friend once I basically call them functionally retarded for being a conservative.

[gratuitous]

9. I dunno

I've reached the age where I don't feel compelled to interact with folks who go around looking to pick fights. When they fall back on the "you don't have an open mind" nonsense, you know they've got nothing. I'm not interested in a "debate" about gravity, either. Does that mean I'm close-minded? Oh no!

I try to live with shame.

[pinto]

10. Depends. Usually try to stay objective, w/out personalizing our politics, or,

if not doable, for whatever reason, don't talk politics except to "agree to disagree."

That said, I don't have many hard core conservative friends, so my choices are pretty benign.

[Akoto]

11. I treat them like my friends.

I believe political differences can be discussed without clawing at each others' throats. :shrug:

[knitter4democracy]

21. We always have before, that's why this is so weird.

I have no idea why he's gotten so angry about this when other times we've both laughed it off.

[ConcernedCanuk]

12. trumad nailed it - don't discuss politics, it's the only way.

.
.
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I have life-long friends that would NOT be

if I ventured into the sacred political part of their brains.

So far so good.

As soon as I sense some negative feelings during conversation, I quickly change the subject and/or just pretend to be politically unaware . .

Instead of arguing when presented with bullshit - don't SAY bullshit -

A response of "oh really?" or "that's interesting!" is pretty neutral,

but you can scream BULLSHIT silently in your mind,

and smile . . .

[dorkulon]

13. Conservative.... friends?

:wtf:

What I do, actually, is destroy their arguments, correct their misinformed opinions, and blow up their worldview. After that, either they become liberals, or at least they know better than to start political arguments with me.

[NoGOPZone]

14. Usually with "Reply All" and a snopes link. nt

[sellitman]

16. If they can't stand the heat.....

Turn up the flame a bit and watch them roast.

No quarter.

[mcscajun]

17. I have one Republican Friend. I've posted about him many times here...

...and one thing is absolute: If you want to remain friends, a pact not to discuss politics is your best bet, IMO.

All depends how much else you have in common and each one's desire to maintain the rest of it as to whether this will work for you or not.

[Richard Steele]

18. At some point, it's not about "political differences" anymore; it's about being a friend.

I have friends and family who I know voted for B*sh;
and they're decent enough people. Our friendships and/or
family ties AREN'T based in politics, so we just agree
to disagree and keep on enjoying the things that we enjoy
in common.

But when one of them refuses to "agree to disagree"; when they
decide that their views give them the right to ignore the
rules of friendship and start being an utter asshole...
well, at that point, it's not about "opinions" anymore, it's
about taking abuse from an ASSHOLE.

I don't associate with abusive assholes, even if I once thought
they were friends.

[Binka]

37. You Took The Words Out Of My Mouth n/t

[Stuckinthebush]

19. Be patronizing and then dismissive

Say, "You conservatives are so cute."

and then ignore his emails but continue to send friendly emails that have nothing to do with politics.

[SpiralHawk]

26. But they are not 'conservatives.' Name one conservative thing about republicons?

It can't be done. They like to use the word "CONSRVATIVE" but they are radicals running our nation into the ground economically, environmentally and socially.

The word "conservative" is just propaganda BS. Call them what they are: radical republicon homelanders. And then invite them to think about becoming Americans. It would do them all a world of good.

[Stuckinthebush]

28. Indeed, SpiralHawk

Indeed

[orleans]

22. i was in a similar situation in 2004--this woman would send me her

right wing spam shit that would have idiotic pictures and comments, looked like crap linked to the freepers (but i didn't know about them--or du at that time)

i'd take the time to reply, intelligently, and she'd send more juvenile pot shots with photo shopped pictures and dirty/snide little comments.

it was really starting to PISS ME THE FUCK OFF

finally, i emailed her and told her--i said it was obvious we disagreed (even tho she claimed to be a democrat--like no dem i've ever known!) and please stop sending me that shit because i don't like it.

she kept sending it. we stopped talking. i avoided her. our daughters were friends--but when i'd pick my kid up at her house i wouldn't go up to the door because i didn't want to have to go in or see her.

i think we've seen e/o a couple times since then--we pretend none of that bullshit went on, we talk friendly about other crap--but we lost the friendship we had. i resented what she was doing so much--she wasn't respectful of my wishes to back off on the kerry crap.

i finally had to stop opening emails from her--i just deleted them. she still sends them. i still never open them.

every time i see one i think: fucking bitch!

[knitter4democracy]

35. That's so sad. I can't understand why she didn't respect your boundaries.

I'm hoping we can figure a better way to deal with this. How sad. :(

[Occulus]

43. reply-all

You probably aren't alone in getting these from her. Hit reply-all and send a nasty- but entirely truthful- screed in response. Pattern it after a KO "special comment". Do it every time, until she starts complaining to you that other people are complaining to her about your responses to her emails.

Then tell her you won't stop hitting reply-all until she stops sending the emails. Make her feel a little 'pain' and see how she likes it.

[Jamastiene]

54. Sounds like you gave reasonable warnings to her.

You can set your email filters up to delete anything she sends to you, automatically, based on the criteria (sender, email address) and the best part about it, you'll never even see them any more. :)

I know that because a male friend of mine kept sending me pictures of pregnant porno (while his wife was pregnant) even after I asked him to stop. In a situation like that, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do. :eyes:

[orleans]

71. that is just bizarre! (what your friend did) yuck. what did his wife think?

and does he still do it?

[MedleyMisty]

23. I don't have conservative friends

Way too different worldviews and ways of being in the world to have anything to base a friendship on.

[abluelady]

76. I Feel the Same Way. eom

[Blarch]

24. I don't associate with those fuck wads

I don't treat them as equals, or show them any respect at all. Family members that support Bush are dead to me, including my mom. I told her "my mother doesn't support torture, murder, and the destruction of my constitution, and if she does, then she is not my mother" Fuck her.

This is where the people fail their country. If Bush is a traitorous monster because of his actions, then what do you call your family members that support him ? ...Do you still show them respect ? ..do you treat them as equals ?

I say fuck them, I will not treat them as equals.

Go look in the mirror, are you compromising your core principles ?

[knitter4democracy]

36. Um, no. My core principal is to respect and love everyone, including conservatives.

I wouldn't cut anyone out of my life just because he or she is a conservative. If he doesn't respect my boundaries or gets nasty, I will try to deal with him in love, but if I have to, I will cut off e-mail communication. That's a last resort, in my opinion.

[seabeyond]

42. living in the panhandle of texas, coming from calif, hardest thing was the intolerance

i experienced from so many. i had such an anger at the intolerant. i could not TOLERATE the intolerant. until i told myself, hypocrit, .... to be so intolerant to the intolerant IS being INtolerant.

i have had to learn. and in this area, lots of opportunity to practice tolerance of the intolerant. AND i see it is the quickest way to throw them in confusion, when i give them christ love.... as they preach to me ahte in the name of the lord. is truly the funniest to watch, and my children not only recognize but have learned at such a young age how to love in the face of hate and all that is accomplished in that. terrific gift for them

never never does that imply validating ugly or hateful behavior. i have never kept my mouth shut, regardless of embarrassment factor of speaking out.... but i do it in love, not hate.... that is felt

[Blarch]

55. LOL

You cannot respect the constitution, and at the same time respect those who are shredding the constitution.

If you respect the people tearing it up, then you do not respect the constitution.

You have compromised yourself and you don't even see it.

[knitter4democracy]

61. I can respect fellow human beings, yes.

I can be polite and still disagree.

As for compromising myself, that's part of being an adult. If it were up to me, I'd walk around in my nightgown and slippers all day, knit in my comfy chair, and eat chocolate. Since I have kids and teach two days a week and have to keep a clean house and all, that's not possible. Is that compromising my needs? Yup. Life is compromise.

[Blarch]

63. It is clear as day

you would have been against the civil war.

Like I said, If you respect the people trashing the constitution, then you cannot respect the constitution

BTW, Compromising on the Constitution is fucking insane.

[knitter4democracy]

65. I don't think run-of-the-mill Republicans want to shred the Constitution, though.

The party higher-ups do, but the masses honestly think they're doing right by the Constitution. Hmm. Maybe I should steer our e-mail debate towards the Constitutional issues that we're dealing with as a country right now. Maybe he'll see where I'm coming from with that topic instead.

[Blarch]

87. Oh please.

The GOP is shredding the constitution, they are committing torture.

If you know someone that is STILL a repub, then they also support this shit.
And anybody that wants the constitution destroyed should be destroyed themselves.

[Djinn]

82. but your children havn't killed anyone

If you support politicians in their theft and murder then you are giving "respect" to their deeds

[knitter4democracy]

86. I thought I made it clear I wasn't talking about politicians.

My friend isn't one, and while he supports many Republicans, he doesn't support all of them. There is also a lot he doesn't know--it's not on talk radio, and it's not on the news or in our paper. It's all part of helping him see what's really going on.

[Alexander]

25. I say "How's it going, Hillary?"

:hide:

[Breeze54]

81. LOL!

:P

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

29. Don't talk politics

I have to work with a very racist, sexist conservative person. I don't discuss my politics, but if he brings it up, I praise Ron Paul, and he agrees. Figure I know I won't change him, but I can steer him in the FAR RIGHT direction that will assure us a gop won't be in the White House in '09.

[hisownpetard]

30. "Conservative friends" is an oxymoron.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

31. Well, I recently told a good friend

that I would be happy to have talks re conservatism/liberalism, but that I had nothing but ugly things to say about the current criminal neo-con crowd, so I think our friendship would be much better off if we stayed off the subject of politics.

Interestingly, my friend isn't a social conservative, but she also doesn't understand the ramifications of the neo-con takeover of her party. She sees the war, and that's it. It was a mistake. We'll get out. She just doesn't see the big picture.

[rucky]

32. Respond to the next one with "nice email, Hitler"

if he laughs, you can still be friends.

[seabeyond]

33. i have STOPPED talking politics with most of them. all the males in family are NOT

allowed to come into my home and talk politics. now my father is a little more, and he is trying not to be an ass when he talks to me about politics. my youngest brother and i mutually dont. my oldest brother wants to bad, and he wants to do it like your friend. he sends me all the dumb ass rw emails and i ignore. dont respond. he starts talking it i tell him no..... and change subject. so much tension between us we can barely be in same room.

he tells me how open minded he is and closed minded i am , .... too.

i told him this christmas, and in past.... he spends a lot of argument time telling me who i am, what i think and interpreting what i say in his own words that are consistently and always so fuckin wrong.

in his given state it is not even worth me trying to have a rational conversation with him.

[mondo joe]

34. I don't have friends who are that at odds with my values.

I guess I deal with them by not having them in my life.

[seabeyond]

39. wow, and i dont have a single family member, or person in this area

that does have the same political opinion as i do. would leave me a very lonely person. lucky you living in a liberal area. not so much in the texas panhandle, religious belt, rw baptists. i have had to learn to accept the perfectly imperfect in who we are.

[mondo joe]

46. Ah well - family members is another story.

:-)

[Liz7]

40. it varies depending on their level of ignorance

It's easier to ignore or laugh off when they really have no idea what they're talking about. A "conservative" friend of mine is conservative only because he's been brainwashed by rhetoric from various sources into thinking that liberals are "dirty commie hippies" who "believe in a humanity that doesn't exist" (his words). He has no real substance or personal commitments to back up his political beliefs. He actually likened the health insurance issue to auto insurance. Despite the frustration, his ignorance has come to be valuable solely for entertainment purposes. I've learned to recognize when he's steering into potentially offensive/insulting territory and cut it off before it occurs.

Another is more of a "real," old-style conservative and recognizes the reality of the neo-conservatives. We often don't agree, but we're able to have civil conversations with the presence of logic (something obviously missing with the other one).

[SteppingRazor]

41. I've got a couple of friends who are very conservative...

well, relatively close acquaintances would be more accurate. But anyway, we generally don't discuss politics. One in particular that I'm thinking of will occasionally throw in something about how great Bush is when we're talking just to see blood shoot out of my eyes, and I'll mention that our president is a blood-covered war criminal. He'll respond that I'm a traitor. But it's all done in a goofy way, and we get off the subject quickly. We both follow sports, enjoy good whiskey, love poker, and have a few other things in common. Politics doesn't need to rear its ugly head -- and in a conversation between us, said head would be phenomenally ugly. We're talking Dick Cheney ugly.

[MadHound]

44. First of all, I treat them like friends first, conservative or liberal come lower down on the scale

If they like to debate politics, we keep it light and non-hostile. I've a couple of friends who send me the occasional RW email screed making the rounds, I don't bother to reply, I just delete it and move on.

Do I find their politics deplorable, certainly, but I'm not prepared to sacrifice our friendship on the bonfire of politics. We all know where we stand, and what limits we have, and all pretty much abide by the rules.

Life's too short, friends are too precious to let politics get in the way.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

45. With Snopes. -nt

[fascisthunter]

47. I Fart and Make them Smell It

Then I tell them, "like wise".

[lonestarnot]

85. Cough

:spray: :rofl:

[mdmc]

48. I have many con friends, including a fundie girlfriend

I think true Cons are cool. Bonrn agains that are true Christians are cool too. I find that they are just as pissed as liberals (or leftists, whatever I am)
:kick:

[seabeyond]

58. i married a rw texas nra card holding catholic conservative who voted KERRY

in 2004, left the nra end of '90's, walked away from the catholic religion and refuses the texas slang. he is still conservative, still republican, still catholic who will not honor the atrocities he feels the republicans, catholics and nra have committed.

[mdmc]

60. nice

My girl voted twice for Bush (before I met her). We live in NYS, so it really doesn't matter.
Recently she voted straight green party, except where the local Dem candidate really needed her vote. She voted for K. Gillabrand (D).

Of course, even the fundies hate Bush now and see his war as evil.

[LSK]

49. I have moved away from them in the past few years

[LittleClarkie]

50. I've gotten pretty good at speaking neutrally to my Conservative friends at the pub

I ask about their candidates, and sometimes we agree on ours. One said he could have voted for Bill Richardson. I replied that so could I. Moot point though.

[Jamastiene]

51. I cut them off entirely.

Through the years, and after many repeated diplomatic attempts to remain friends with some of them, I have learned that my blood pressure stays regulated better without them. Seriously, the stress of dealing with them when they are in that angry mode is bad on your health.

[LWolf]

52. We don't talk politics.

I grew up with that social rule. Religion and politics are not appropriate topics of conversation outside of your church or your political meeting.

[CANDO]

53. My own brother is a wack job right winger.

We don't do politics any longer. Friends at work still go on the attack if Rush gets them riled up enough. I tell them to go get fucked.

[kevinbgoode]

79. You should be laughing at them. . .

seems to me that anyone stupid enough to let Rush lead them down the road needs to realize how ridiculously funny they sound. . .:-).

[Warren DeMontague]

56. "Big Brother"? You mean like the people who want to outlaw the Birth Control Pill?

Whoops. Those are Republicans.

You mean the people who want to lock gays up, or put them in re-education camps?

Ooops. GOP Nutters again. (think I'm exaggerating? Read the Texas GOP platform)

The people who are wiretapping our phones and reading our emails?

Er, uh.. GOP.

Or perhaps by "Big Brother" he means the crazy tax-and-spend folks who just pissed away a trillion dollars on an ill-advised military adventure in...

Hmmm. GOP.

Maybe he means kooks who don't believe in science, want to institute a Taliban-like Theocracy, and want public school children taught that the Earth is 6,000 years old?...

Uh, nope. That's the Republican Party, too.

...

[knitter4democracy]

62. That was pretty much my reply.

Honestly, I can't understand why a well-educated man who keeps up with the news and reads all sorts of stuff could still be a Republican after the last few years. Still, he's a good guy, and I have to figure out how to tell him that I really don't think this debate's doing either of us any good.

[Chovexani]

59. I avoid politics at all costs

It's really the only way.

[trashcanistanista]

66. I don't have any. Not an issue, never will be.

:-)

[debbierlus]

68. Tell them you do not want to discuss politics PERIOD

Agree to disagree, & leave it at that....

If they persist, drop em. If they don't respect your views (the ones based in reality), what kind of a friend are they?

[begin_within]

69. I simply go silent whenever politics comes up.

I have one freeper friend, and I made friends with him 17 years ago, based on common interests, before I realized he was so right-wing. If he brings up anything political I simply clam up, until he changes the subject. I don't respond to any political comment he makes. The conversation sooner or later drifts to another topic. That's the only way I can deal with it - I feel that engaging in any political debate with him can serve no good purpose.

[LucyParsons]

70. I don't have any

On purpose.

(My family are enough. Life's short.)

[Manifestor_of_Light]

72. Stop talking to them.

[krabigirl]

73. Avoid political talk. That being said, a "friend" dumped me because of my politics.

This was in the scary times, 2003. I merely said that I thought Guantanamo should be shut down. She kicked me out of her apartment and never wanted to speak to me again. Ok, whatever.

[Skittles]

74. I don't

I detest conservatives; I have never met one who, if you scratched hard enough, wasn't a greedy homophobic racist piece of shit and I don't want to be friends with those kind of people.

[Cabcere]

75. I don't talk politics with them.

:shrug: Call me a coward, but I'm from a highly conservative area of the country, where nearly everyone votes Republican for one reason or another (generally either because everyone in their family has always done it, or because of abortion/gay rights/guns/whatever), and if you're a Democrat, you don't talk about it. My best friend comes from a Republican family, and we just don't talk about politics - in fact, when I'm home I don't talk politics outside of my own family, really. :shrug:

[cynatnite]

77. I've got family who are RW bush lovers...

so we avoid the subject. There are more important things in life, IMO, rather than getting in an argument that no one wins.

[Djinn]

78. Easy I don't have any

I've been politically active on the far left for a couple of decades and many of myfriends come from that field. I work for a union so any friends I met that way are also left.

I live in an area that has never once voted conservative so all my neighbours are lefties too.

Even taking it down to acquaintance level very few are Lib (our conservatives) voters and those that are tend to be politically uninterested and they know that I'll probably win a political debate simply by dint of being informed, so they don't bother.

[Breeze54]

80. It's very easy! I don't have any conservobot friends!

:P

[lonestarnot]

83. Easy, I don't fucking befriend zombies. None of them can be a REAL friend.

[Hoof Hearted]

84. Blow darts.

If that doesn't take 'm down, I unleash my death-ray cat.



a.k.a. Mr. Buddypants.

[marlakay]

88. Your right things have gotten nasty

The only people I have anything to do with on a social basis that are republicans are neighbors, family and my bosses. I can't be close friends with anyone who believes that drovel.

But a close cousin and I can barely speak now...I DO NOT speak to my neighbors about politics or religion and same goes with my bosses after the day one of them told me Hillary was evil and her and Bill have killed people to be in office...I am not for Hillary but I found myself speaking up for her, that was below the line.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

89. Be playful

I don't know if would work with everybody but I have a conservative sister-in-law and whenever politics comes up, I take the "Stephen Colbert approach", which is to say mocking conservatism by acting like I'm "conservative" myself, albeit in a highly exaggerated fashion. I don't know if I am fooling anybody with it but it is a lot more fun than having a loud and protracted argument with her.

[Tyler Durden]

90. I have no Neoconservative Friends.

This "person" is not a Conservative, he is a true "if you aren't convinced by my blinding logic, you must have a closed mind or you would agree with me" NEOCONSERVATIVE.

I have no Neoconservative friends. I discard them on the ash heap of history, where they belong, them and the rest of their scum.