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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:11 PM
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Knowing what you know now...would we have been better off if Clinton had resigned
instead of being impeached?

Al Gore would have become President. He would have run as an incumbent. With the scandal erased with Bill Clinton gone, George W. Bush wouldn't have been able to run on "Values". No George W. Bush. A minimum of 4 years with Gore, possibly 8.

Knowing what you know now, would it have been better had Bill Clinton resigned?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:12 PM
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1. whew. tough one.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:12 PM
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2. ...
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:15 PM
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7. loooooooool
love the graphic, CatWoman, how appropriate! :)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:17 PM
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9. The same 2 poster keep posting the same shit.
GEE....do ya think we have a double team going here? This reminds me of 2 Tombstoned posters from the 2004 election. Maybe they both got new computers and are posting under new names? naaaaah! Couldn't be!:eyes:
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:08 PM
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33. This one does seem to have a taste for granite.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:13 PM
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3. Yes.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:14 PM
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4. Gore would have still been tarred & feathered with it
And Clinton's approval ratings went up during the impeachment, right?


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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:14 PM
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5. YES SIR!
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:15 PM
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6. I go back and forth on this....
Yes, the impeachment was a sham and a right-wing power play and he had the support of the American public. If impeachment is used lightly it could toss out any future Democratic president - we know the Democrats don't impeach Republicans :(

Personally, I didn't care what he did in his private life and I still don't. However, when he did his "I never had sexual relations with that woman" and it turned out to be a total lie I was pretty disgusted. I don't care if you sleep around, just don't be a coward and lie about it. If he had resigned not over the sex but about the very public lie I would have been cool with it, and of course the outcome in 2000 might have been very different.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:17 PM
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8. YES
:crazy:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:18 PM
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10. NO! n/t
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:19 PM
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11. Whatever else may be said about Bill Clinton...
...I'll never believe that he should have given in to ruthless, soulless neocons who have never cared whether they destroy this country and lay waste to the Constitution, in their pursuit of absolute power.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:28 PM
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19. I think we won the battle but we lost the war.
I'm not sure our country can recover.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:41 PM
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24. You know that they're glad you think that.
I understand the sentiment but don't give up.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:06 PM
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32. If we lost it wasn't because of Bill Clinton. You seem to forget Al Gore had the votes to win.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:19 PM
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12. YES.
C'mon, post a poll.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:19 PM
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13. WTH??
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:19 PM
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14. yes,surrender each and everytime the Pugs growl
elect Obama for Reagans's sake
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:26 PM
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17. dkf No, Remember what happened to Gerald Ford?
Nixon resigned, Ford Replaced him, Ford Lost to Carter. Gore/Bush was a very close race, I think it was a big mistake for Gore not use to Clinton, after all, despite the "scandal" Clinton had very high approval ratings, at the end of his presidency (higher than Reagans).
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:36 PM
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22. Ford wasn't elected VP. He didn't look like he had any right to the Presidency
and he pardoned Nixon, which was controversial in its own right.

Al Gore stood on his own two feet and was very very close to winning. Having less baggage would have made a difference I think.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:21 PM
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15. Scandal eraased? Are you insane?
By resigning Bill Clinton would have been acknowledging all the republican charges against him and Al Gore would have been running against a full-force RW hurricane rather than the grumbles and mutterings he had to endure in his actual race.

For the record, I will never feel that giving in to RW brown-shirt intimidation is a good thing.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:21 PM
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16. delete
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 03:26 PM by 2rth2pwr
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:26 PM
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18. I agree. but two things come to mind
First, I seriously believe that the Clinton's went into the WH with a plan to eventually have Hillary run herself in the future.

They have always been a political team no matter what happens, so if Bill had resigned she would have been forced into deciding between splitiing up that team so she could run for her own Presidency (by divorcing Bill), or they could ride out the storm (Hillary isnt a fool, Bill having affairs wasnt a shock) and continue on with their plan, allowing a third and eventual fourth term as joint President's while putting Hillary's name in the record books as the first woman President.

Second, the Clinton's didnt do this country any favors by not moving up their long term plan, as this country could have been spared a second Bush term if they had chosen 2004 as Hillary's time to run for President.

They could have spared this country a great deal of our current problems had they done that.

Part of me thinks that Bill becoming buds with Bush sr. before the 2004 election was a ploy by the Bush's to ensure junior wouldnt be running against Hillary.

What that says about this dynastic two family control of our government that has been screwing over the average citizen over the last 20 years is for another time.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:29 PM
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20. 3 women could have brought him down at any point
Monica ("He is a sexual predator")
Chelsea ("My daddy is a perv that ruined our family")
Hillary ("I want to divorce this dirtbag")

Instead of turning on him, these ladies stood by him.

If Clinton resigned, we wouldn't have gotten HRC as NYS senator. I wished he did resign.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:29 PM
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21. Absolutely not--I cannot fathom this question.
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:39 PM
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23. No, the Repugs were busy trumping up a phony "Buddhist temple scandal"
to discredit Gore at the same time, if you recall. They would have hounded him throughout his entire term. As you have seen in the last eight years, they are pretty good at making the masses believe whatever they want just by repeating it over and over, and Gore would have gone into the election tainted by baseless accusations of scandal. I am glad that Clinton stood firm during the witch-hunt, which was really about right-wingers trying to repeal the results of a presidential election that didn't go their way.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:42 PM
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25. No. I believe we would have been better off not allowing the GOP
to pull the shit they did. One would think Americans would learn from the Reagan years - you just can't trust politicians, they will stab you in the back at first chance.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:45 PM
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26. That's the past. I cannot be changed.
We can't go back and change it now, so what's the point in ruminating on it? I'm not trying to be rude, but it is pointless to even ask that question. Logic tells me, we'll never know, so why "go there?"
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:50 PM
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27. yes and no
It would have helped Gore more likely to win the Presidency, but it would have also given the GOP more power to lie and to try and find something wrong with Al so that they could continue to tie up the government.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:55 PM
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28. Are you out of your ever-loving mind?
This constant Clinton bashing is so over the top lately. Its getting pretty damn hard to see the difference bewteen this place and the freeper sites. Jesus H. Christ.
:eyes:

As to your question - NO, he shouldn't have resigned.

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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:55 PM
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29. uh, NO-FREAKING-WAY. talk about dems caving to the repuke attack machine. nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:59 PM
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30. It would have been better if he had had better legal representation
who would have told him to tell ALL of them "NO COMMENT"..and flat out refused to answer their questions..

and who could have convinced the reprehensible SCOTUS that it IS a "problem" to continue an OLD civil suit against a sitting president..

That would have helped..for starters
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:05 PM
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31. No. Bill Clinton had high approval ratings. Al Gore won the vote count but had it stolen
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 05:06 PM by mondo joe
in the court.

Please stop repeating Republican lies.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:12 PM
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34. Whould you just get the fuck of this NOW!
Just stop.
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