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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:17 AM
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Powell a close second to Chimpy in Lies told to initiate mass murder in Iraq
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 12:28 AM by ConsAreLiars
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ilEvmNkMwodj0jDtAWgNtOWmaRzQD8UBB2UO2

A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.

The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

....

Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.

The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.


The original research was done by
Center For Public Integrity: http://www.publicintegrity.org/default.aspx
Fund For Independence in Journalism: http://www.tfij.org/

(edit to add) The link to the study is: http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:23 AM
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1. Yeah, sure
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 12:28 AM by radiclib
"Center for Public Integrity"...."Independence in Journalism"...

Probly far-left smear tanks!

(I don't really need the "sarcasm" thingy, do I?)

Edited for mini-rant:

Hey, I've got an idea. Let's start a movement to have the impeachment clause removed from the Constitution. It's obviously archaic and outmoded and useless and oh-so-1998.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:33 AM
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2. I have never understood why such a popular military leader
as Powell was willing to sell out for Bush. What possible gains could he have made by lying to the U.N. as he did?
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:40 AM
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3. He spent his career as a sell out
The My Lai coverup, for example. That was early in his career.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:41 AM
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4. I had forgotten about that.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:33 AM
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16. More on Powell and the My Lai coverup here.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 05:36 AM by JohnyCanuck
Behind Colin Powell's Legend -- My Lai

I think it is important to clarify that, according to the details in the article "Behind Colin Powell's Legend -- My Lai," by Robert Parry & Norman Solomon, Powell was never directly responsible for covering up the My Lai incident. However, he had been assigned to investigate charges contained in a letter to the Commander in Chief of the US military forces in Vietnam, Gen. Creighton Abrams, by a US GI, Tom Glen, that he (Glen) had witnessed widespread abuse of Vietnamese civilians and torture of POWs by the US military during his tour of Vietnam.


"The average GI's attitude toward and treatment of the Vietnamese people all too often is a complete denial of all our country is attempting to accomplish in the realm of human relations," Glen wrote. "Far beyond merely dismissing the Vietnamese as 'slopes' or 'gooks,' in both deed and thought, too many American soldiers seem to discount their very humanity; and with this attitude inflict upon the Vietnamese citizenry humiliations, both psychological and physical, that can have only a debilitating effect upon efforts to unify the people in loyalty to the Saigon government, particularly when such acts are carried out at unit levels and thereby acquire the aspect of sanctioned policy."

Glen's letter contended that many Vietnamese were fleeing from Americans who "for mere pleasure, fire indiscriminately into Vietnamese homes and without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves." Gratuitous cruelty was also being inflicted on Viet Cong suspects, Glen reported.

"Fired with an emotionalism that belies unconscionable hatred, and armed with a vocabulary consisting of 'You VC,' soldiers commonly 'interrogate' by means of torture that has been presented as the particular habit of the enemy. Severe beatings and torture at knife point are usual means of questioning captives or of convincing a suspect that he is, indeed, a Viet Cong...

"It would indeed be terrible to find it necessary to believe that an American soldier that harbors such racial intolerance and disregard for justice and human feeling is a prototype of all American national character; yet the frequency of such soldiers lends credulity to such beliefs. ... What has been outlined here I have seen not only in my own unit, but also in others we have worked with, and I fear it is universal. If this is indeed the case, it is a problem which cannot be overlooked, but can through a more firm implementation of the codes of MACV (Military Assistance Command Vietnam) and the Geneva Conventions, perhaps be eradicated."


Glen said later that he never mentioned the My Lai incident in his complaint, but had heard of it as a rumor. Powell apparently never interviewed Glen or even assigned someone to interview him and prepared a whitewash report on Glen's letter of complaint, dismissing the charges that Glen had made in the letter as unfounded. However, it is felt by many that if Powell had done a thorough and competent investigation of Glen's charges it is unlikely that he could have remained unaware of the My Lai massacre (especially since rumours were circulating about it in the military at the time). Instead Powell apparently produced the type of report his superiors were no doubt counting on and expecting - one that dismissed charges of systematic cruelty and abuse of Vietnamese civilians and POWs by the US military as unfounded and not requiring any further follow up.


"There may be isolated cases of mistreatment of civilians and POWs," Powell wrote in 1968. But "this by no means reflects the general attitude throughout the Division." Indeed, Powell's memo faulted Glen for not complaining earlier and for failing to be more specific in his letter.

Powell reported back exactly what his superiors wanted to hear. "In direct refutation of this portrayal," Powell concluded, "is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

SNIP

Powell did include, however, a troubling recollection that belied his 1968 official denial of Glen's allegation that American soldiers "without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves." After mentioning the My Lai massacre in My American Journey, Powell penned a partial justification of the Americal's brutality. In a chilling passage, Powell explained the routine practice of murdering unarmed male Vietnamese.

"I recall a phrase we used in the field, MAM, for military-age male," Powell wrote. "If a helo spotted a peasant in black pajamas who looked remotely suspicious, a possible MAM, the pilot would circle and fire in front of him. If he moved, his movement was judged evidence of hostile intent, and the next burst was not in front, but at him. Brutal? Maybe so. But an able battalion commander with whom I had served at Gelnhausen (West Germany), Lt. Col. Walter Pritchard, was killed by enemy sniper fire while observing MAMs from a helicopter. And Pritchard was only one of many. The kill-or-be-killed nature of combat tends to dull fine perceptions of right and wrong."

While it's certainly true that combat is brutal, mowing down unarmed civilians is not combat. It is, in fact, a war crime. Neither can the combat death of a fellow soldier be cited as an excuse to murder civilians. Disturbingly, that was precisely the rationalization that the My Lai killers cited in their own defense.


http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:25 PM
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19. Thanks for educating me about Powell's role in the massacre.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:52 AM
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5. You obviously don't understand "military leaders".
One has to sell out to make the rank Powell made.

He would've topped out as a Lt. Col. if he had any integrity.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:34 AM
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8. So ... does that include Wes Clark?
:hide:

:popcorn:
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:58 AM
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9. Or even Eisenhower?
Some people need to learn the difference between "some" and "all."

From http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:22 AM
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13. I should've clarified......
I should've clarified that my statement was concerning the US military of the last 40-50 years.
Because WW2 was a real, dynamic war, many capable & honorable men rose to positions of rank due to the need for their skills. I have great respect for many WW2 generals & admirals such as Turner, Vandergrift, Halsey, Patton, Gavin, Buckner, Howlin' Smith etc.

Many of those officers built such great reps during the war that they had great influence & rank in the post war years.

Korea & Vietnam were hardly pressing matters in terms of US national security. Those wars became little more than career punching tickets for the up & coming ass-kissing officer class. The late D. Hackworth would refer to them as "Perfumed Princes".

Men of the character of the WW2 heroes get stifled in such a military. Those guys win wars & are care about the men under them.

What is wanted in non-stressed militaries is those who reaffirm the status quo & validate the higher-ups.

Oh, I should also state for clarity I don't have an absolute cut-off at Lt. Col. - some may have actually made full bird.

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:43 AM
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14. I am in general agreement with you.
But even US participation in WWII came late and could be/was seen as an opportunity to pick up the remains of the German/French/British Empires rather than some altruistic sacrifice for the greater good.

On the other hand, Vietnam, a totally unjust and genocidal war by any measure, gave us Wes Clark, who is a bit of a peacenik in the current context, McCain, who is an utter coward and hatemonger, and Kerry, who went from a fighter for truth to a blathering nobody. Not all high-and-mighty in terms of rank, but illustrative of the range. You make a good point, that there was some justice involved in stopping fascism (although maybe it was more a matter of absorbing it, Borg-like), and that wars of conquest and aggression elevate those who support that kind of pathology.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:00 AM
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10. IMHO, yes. n/t
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:00 AM
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6. He was "popularized" by the corporate media precisely because he was a known sell out.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 01:04 AM by ConsAreLiars
The very fact that he was portrayed as an honorable and trustworthy person was what made him seem to be so in the minds of the public. The praise and adulation by the Masters should have been a warning, but, unfortunately, the only source available to the general public in forming their opinions and ideas is the the Mass(ter's) Media.

(edit minor typo and add a few words)
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:20 AM
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12. self delete
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 02:24 AM by tuckessee
posted in wrong spot. Complete post above.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:04 AM
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18. Money and Power. Keep his son as FCC chairman. Powell was the wealthiest person in Bush's cabinet
when Bush announced his first cabinet, and most of that money came from AOL Time Warner stock, which is a company on which Powell sat as a board member. Powell's son was the chief regulator of the industry from which his family derived a huge amount of wealth.

And it was good move for Bush to set up this political-economic power dynamic. The book The Italian Letter has a great explanation for why Bush took the unusual step of having Powell present his argument for war to the UN -- it's because Powell was the highest-polling member of his government and Bush correctly predicted that the public would side with him once they heard Powell make the case for war.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:03 AM
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7. kicked and recomended, n/t.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:00 AM
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11. Doesn't Surprise Me At All... I Was Around During Viet Nam... He
was up to it way back then!!
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:57 AM
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15. You can't trust Bush and Powell
I rather trust Saddam Hussein rather that to trust those two assholes and their corporate media stooges (semi-sarcasm)
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:56 AM
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17. when the U.N. agreed to cover Picasso
we should have been out on the streets. The painting explicitly portrays war in all of it's agony. Powell insisted the painting be covered up while he yapped up the war in Iraq.
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