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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:23 PM
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George Bush's secret plan to merge the US, Canada and Mexico.
The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) was launched in March of 2005 as a trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing.

This trilateral initiative is premised on our security and our economic prosperity being mutually reinforcing. The SPP recognizes that our three great nations are bound by a shared belief in freedom, economic opportunity, and strong democratic institutions.

The SPP provides the framework to ensure that North America is the safest and best place to live and do business. It includes ambitious security and prosperity programs to keep our borders closed to terrorism yet open to trade.

The SPP builds upon, but is separate from, our long-standing trade and economic relationships. It energizes other aspects of our cooperative relations, such as the protection of our environment, our food supply, and our public health.

Looking forward, President Bush, Prime Minister Harper and President Fox have identified emergency management; influenza pandemics, including avian influenza; energy security; and safe and secure gateways (border security and facilitation) as key priorities for the SPP. The Leaders also announced the creation of North American Competitiveness Council to fully incorporate the private sector into the SPP process.
http://www.spp.gov/
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:28 PM
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1. The corporate police state moves forward...
Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America

Report to Leaders

August 2006

In June 2005, you received the first report on making North America more prosperous and secure through the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP). The report included a list of early accomplishments and detailed workplans containing initiatives, milestones, and completion dates. Today, we are pleased to present the second report.

On March 31, 2006 you met in Cancun to review progress on the SPP. You noted achievements and asked us to continue to build on the momentum of the ambitious agenda of collaboration found in the workplans. A number of goals have been reached and, overall, implementation is on track. We have attached an updated version of the 2005 workplan reporting on the status of initiatives through mid-June of 2006. We have also attached a list that highlights accomplishments achieved since the Cancun Summit, as well as those accomplishments noted at Cancun. By addressing common security and prosperity issues through this process, officials in all three countries have enhanced existing relationships, created new ones, and have strengthened the foundations for ongoing cooperation among our countries.

We are achieving measurable progress on a number of security issues affecting our three countries. Canada, Mexico, and the United States have strengthened relationships in the areas of preparedness, law enforcement, and the screening of travelers and cargo. Furthermore, the three countries have improved processing times at border crossings while maintaining tight security. The United States, Canada, and Mexico are making progress to standardize fingerprint-based biometric technology. Moreover, the three countries are cooperating in conducting trials and reviewing the compatibility of their biometric traveler systems.

In Cancun, you called for the creation of an Avian and Human Pandemic Influenza Coordinating Body comprising senior officials. The members of the Body have been designated and held their first meeting where they agreed how to organize and prioritize their work. The Coordinating Body will oversee work on protocols and procedures to ensure that North America is well prepared in advance of an outbreak of pandemic influenza and that our governments act in a coordinated manner to meet any threats.

At the one-year anniversary meeting of the SPP in Cancun, you asked us to examine ways to strengthen the SPP to ensure its continuity and success. To that end, we are pleased to inform you that on June 15, Ministers officially launched the North American Competitiveness Council (NACC) that you announced in Cancun. Our three governments recognize that private sector involvement is key to enhancing North America's competitive position in global markets and is the driving force behind innovation and growth. As such, the creation of the NACC provides a voice and a formal role for the private sector. The regular meetings between Ministers, senior officials, and the NACC, complemented by ongoing consultations with other interested stakeholders, will help ensure that the SPP remains a cornerstone of North American cooperation.

Looking ahead, we are considering other avenues to strengthen the SPP, such as regular meetings of SPP Coordinators to provide direction, track progress, and discuss new initiatives, and the use of an ongoing tracking process to help us stay current on the status of initiatives. We will also look at ways to strengthen cooperation among the Working Groups in order to facilitate the accomplishment of our common goals.

Prior to the next Leaders’ summit, the security and prosperity Ministers will meet to review further progress on the priority initiatives you identified in Cancun, update the SPP workplans in light of achievements to date, and develop new initiatives designed to achieve concrete results. At that time, we will discuss with the NACC its preliminary recommendations to Leaders. To facilitate a meaningful and productive discussion with the NACC, we have asked that their initial set of priorities be sent to us by September 15. We are confident that the NACC’s involvement and its commitment to be part of the solution to the challenges we face as a region will contribute to make North America the best and most secure place to do business.

The SPP initiatives form a comprehensive agenda for cooperation among the three countries of North America while respecting the sovereignty and unique cultural and legal heritage of each country. Even more importantly, we believe that the SPP is making an impact in developing a culture of cooperation among three North American neighbors. Your announcement in Cancun to hold the third trilateral Leaders’ meeting in Canada next year further underlines the three governments’ commitment to the SPP. We look forward to further progress in the months ahead.

Michael Chertoff
Secretary of Homeland Security
Carlos Abascal
Secretario de Gobernación
Stockwell Day
Minister of Public Safety

Carlos Gutierrez
Secretary of Commerce
Sergio García de Alba
Secretario de Economía
Maxime Bernier
Minister of Industry

Condoleezza Rice
Secretary of State
Luis Ernesto Derbez
Secretario de Relaciones Exteriores
Peter G. MacKay
Minister of Foreign
Affairs and Minister of the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency

Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP)
Accomplishments

The following accomplishments highlight the progress made to advance the SPP agenda since President Bush, President Fox, and Prime Minister Harper met in Cancun on March 31, 2006:

To enhance the competitive position of North American firms while maintaining high standards of health and safety, officials from the regulatory, trade, and oversight agencies of all three countries met for the first time on April 18-19, 2006. The three countries discussed their respective regulatory systems and highlighted areas of cooperation. As a result, the three countries identified a core set of elements for the Regulatory Cooperation Framework to include coordinating joint work on regulatory processes, promoting best practices, and enhancing information sharing throughout the regulatory process.
Ongoing liberalization of rules of origin is helping to improve the competitiveness of our industries by reducing transaction costs, facilitating the cross-border trade of goods, and making it easier for exporters to qualify for duty free treatment. In May, our three countries agreed to a third round of changes affecting over $30 billion in trilateral trade with an implementation goal of 2007.
Representatives of our three countries met on June 21 to inaugurate the North American Aviation Trilateral (NAAT) – a new forum established to achieve the SPP’s goals for civil aviation security.
To control money laundering, Mexican and U.S. Customs officials have cooperated at an unprecedented level. As of this summer they have made hundreds of seizures totaling millions of dollars.
To provide a uniform agreement between local offices of the Governments of the United States and Mexico, officials from both countries signed on June 27 an agreement to implement a pilot program in El Paso and Chicago, for the safe, humane, and orderly repatriation of Mexican nationals.
Canada and the United States completed the 2006 Integrated Border Enforcement Team (IBET) Threat Assessment, which identified national security and organized crime threats along the Canada-U.S. border. The IBET Program has disrupted organized crime operations involved in bi-directional drug trafficking and human smuggling.
To better coordinate cross-border emergency management, the United States and Canada engaged in “Pacific Peril” - a major exercise designed to test response plans for earthquakes and tsunamis in the Pacific Northwest. The United States and Canada also participated in the “Ardent Sentry” exercise, which used a number of scenarios to test emergency response capability.
To protect critical infrastructure in the food and agriculture sector, U.S. and Canadian officials began exchanging information to compare methods for vulnerability assessments.
The United States and Canada renegotiated a Framework for Cooperation to govern joint critical infrastructure protection and emergency management issues.
The United States, Canada, and Mexico continued work to tighten and verify the security of nuclear and radiological facilities throughout North America. The United States and Canada implemented new enhanced security measures and cooperated on Force-on-Force exercises to test enhancements at nuclear facilities. The United States and Mexico performed security upgrades at key nuclear and radiological facilities.
Canada and the United States, in partnership with the Mohawk Community of Akwesasne, hosted the first ever International Indigenous Cross-Border Security Summit to enhance awareness of the border security environment and its impact on indigenous peoples, and to create a course of action for future collaboration.
To determine risk in advance and to process maritime cargo more expeditiously, Mexico is successfully implementing the Sea Cargo Initiative, which will allow for the electronic collection of data from the shipping lines 24 hours prior to loading at the port of origin. The United States and Canada are implementing a similar program.
Canada has committed significant resources toward the enhancement of its air cargo security program. Canada and the United States continue to meet to strengthen bilateral cooperation in this area.
To develop cooperative activities in all stages of avian influenza and human pandemic influenza management, a Coordinating Body of senior officials from the three North American countries has been established and has held its first meeting at which they agreed how to organize and prioritize their work.
Energy Ministers agreed to develop recommendations to further align and strengthen energy efficiency standards, identify gaps in the research and innovation chain for key technologies, and develop a trilateral legal instrument on energy science and technology collaboration. Energy Ministers, together with the private sector, also agreed to develop recommendations to address barriers to the expansion of clean energy supply and deployment of technologies. In addition, the group's ongoing work has emphasized the importance of open, efficient, and transparent markets through regulatory cooperation and exchanges of energy data that support market transparency.
To develop a coordinated strategy aimed at combating counterfeiting and piracy, a task force of senior officials from the three North American countries has been established. The next meeting to discuss the strategy will take place in the fall.
Canada hosted, in collaboration with the United States and Mexico, a “North American Marine Conference – Towards a Shortsea Shipping Strategy for the North American Continent” in Vancouver on April 18 - 20. The conference provided an excellent opportunity to promote shortsea shipping as a means to improve the performance of national transportation systems and to contribute to environmental sustainability. It also allowed discussion on business opportunities and challenges related to shortsea shipping.
President Bush, President Fox, and Prime Minister Harper highlighted the following accomplishments at their trilateral meeting in Cancun on March 31, 2006:

To enhance growth and competitiveness in a key sector, the North American Steel Trade Committee developed a new strategy aimed at reducing market distortions, facilitating trade and promoting overall competitiveness through innovation and market development.
To adapt to changes in sourcing and production methods, the three countries have analyzed ways to liberalize requirements for obtaining NAFTA duty-free treatment. Changes to the rules of origin have been implemented successfully and technical teams are working on additional changes.
To speed up response times when managing infectious disease outbreaks, save lives, and reduce health care costs, the United States and Canada signed an agreement to enable simultaneous exchange of information between virtual national laboratory networks (PulseNet).
To make consumer goods safer, save lives, and prevent injuries, the United States and Mexico signed an agreement for advance notifications when consumer goods violate one country’s safety standards or pose a danger to consumers. Canada and the United States signed a similar agreement in June.
The United States and Canada signed an agreement, which is a milestone in pipeline regulatory cooperation, to allow increased compliance data sharing, staff exchanges and joint training. The sharing of best practices will lead to a more uniform regulatory approach for cross border pipelines.
The United States and Canada reached a full Open-Skies aviation agreement, removing all economic restrictions on air service to, from, and beyond one another’s territory by the airlines of both countries. The agreement will encourage new markets development, lower prices and greater competition.
The United States and Mexico expanded air service in specific markets by increasing the number of designated passenger airlines per city-pair, and opening cooperative marketing arrangements (code-sharing) to airlines of either country and carriers of third countries.
In order to increase navigational accuracy across the region, five Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) stations were installed in Canada and Mexico in 2005.
To promote prosperity by reducing the costs of trade, the United States and Canada decreased transit times at the Detroit/Windsor gateway, our largest border crossing point, by 50 percent.
http://www.spp.gov/2006_report_to_leaders/

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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:29 PM
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2. Yep, and yesterday following Lou Dobbs I Emailed approx. 30
Canadian MP's and did get a couple of responses.... Her is one of those....

Dear Mr. Wheeler,

Thank you very much for writing on this important issue.

At an October 4th press conference and in Parliament, NDP International Trade and Globalization critic, Peter Julian, outlined the NDP's opposition to plans to fast-track North American integration through the harmonization of 300 common areas of legislation and regulations.



Mr. Julian stated, "This is the giving away of Canada’s command to the U.S. Republican administration and to North America’s largest corporations. We are seeing this with the Softwood Lumber Agreement and with the Canadian Wheat Board, as well as in a variety of other sectors." For more information, please see attachment below and visit: http://www.ndp.ca/page/4413.



At the Banff meeting of top government, corporate and military officials from all three countries heightened this concern. It was clear that organizers and participants intended to keep this important meeting on integration out of the public eye.



Mr. Julian has been active on this file since the launch of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP). (http://www.ndp.ca/page/1444). Please be assured that I and my colleagues will continue to demonstrate strong leadership on deep integration as we have on other important issues such as Afghanistan and the Softwood Lumber Agreement.



Again, thank you for taking the time to convey your interest to safeguard our future and our Canadian sovereignty. Feel free to forward this email to all others who may share this concern.



Sincerely,





Alex Atamanenko, MP
BC Southern Interior






--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: waynew706
Sent: February 21, 2007 6:40 PM
To: Atamanenko, Alex - M.P.
Subject: Honorable Minister


Why is something like this being considered without the knowledge of the Canadian People?

http://www.spp.gov/

Thank you for your response,

Wayne Wheeler
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:35 PM
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3. WTG Alex!
I am proud to have voted for Mr. Atamanenko, he's an honorable man. I have since moved in Texas-lite territory (Alberta) so I can't vote again for him, sadly. I hope the NDP shouts loud and long on this one, it is a very important issue, imo.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:35 PM
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4. The people in Canada have the most to lose...
You should be screaming this from every rooftop. We are already a "third world country". But you still have time a chance to save yourself. Good luck and thankyou for e-mailing Lou Dobbs. He says he reads every e-mail so if you haven't sent him this please do. I hope you get him in Canada.
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:37 PM
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7. I agree with you 300 %... But it would seem the average Canadian...
citzen is in the same trance that the Average US citizen is... How the hell do we get thru to them?

ww
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:43 PM
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10. I don't know. It's so depressing.
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:32 PM
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19. You're joking right?
A third world country? Obviously this is of concern, but I'm not a big fan of hyperbole. I'm reading through the website. From what I've read in the myth/fact section, this isn't any kind of treaty or agreement which has been signed. If that's the case, then nothing's binding, so it wouldn't take much to reverse any "progress" made by them. Although, it's myth vs fact written by them, so who knows what's true or not.
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:41 PM
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20. I guess in answer to you, the problem with the Average Canadian is...
unaware of this! One problem that I have is that this was done by Paul Martin, and nobody else... When he went to Crawford TX along with Vincente to join Bush, Martin agreed to this shit. I have always voted Liberal over Conservatives and probably always will, but to me this is Bullshit.

ww
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:36 PM
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5. The irony here is, of course, that RWers always bemoan how
liberals will lead to world gov't etc etc :eyes:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:42 PM
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8. Weak gov's with strong muli-national corporates (borderless world)
WHERE ONLY THE MARKET MATTERS! Yes it is ironic that the conservatives are voting to inpower what they complain about. I don't know why,. I'm am reading, "American Fascist" right know. The second chapter. "Culture of Despair" holds some interesting thoughts on that.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:43 PM
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9. You e ver hear them complain about the UN? Man they hate them
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:44 PM
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11. Because the UN represents democracy. Which they despise.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:45 PM
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12. Hey - but that would end the illegal immigration debate
They'd all become legal citizens!!
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:55 PM
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13. You have a good point there, never thought about that... And then..
they could really blast their illegal drugs into the continent..... hmmmm

ww
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:37 PM
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6. I have to go to bed. Please keep this thread kicked!
Very, very important subject. :)
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:13 PM
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14. Kick! n/t
:kick:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:16 PM
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15. Its all but happened
I saw this coming
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:20 PM
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16. It'll never happen...
Your link is about a security partnership, which is a long way from merging countries.

That said, Canadians would never go for it. The only way there would be a Canada - US merger would be if US troops crossed the border en masse.

Sid
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:26 PM
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17. I don't think Canada is the country to be concerned about, here.
Mexico is.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:30 PM
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18. Assuming the question is put to a vote beyond Parliament
Edited on Fri Feb-23-07 07:34 PM by Spazito
which isn't a certainty. Canadians wouldn't go for it IF they know about it but, given that secrecy is the key to the meetings so far, very few Canadians know about this at all. At the very least, it bears very close scrutiny, imo, and the more that know about it the more scrutiny it will receive.

Edited to add more info:

Canadian, U.S. and Mexican officials held secretive meeting on integration

02/08/07 "Ottawa Citizen" -- -- OTTAWA - Canadian, U.S. and Mexican politicians discussed using "stealth" to overcome public resistance to the integration of the three countries at a confidential meeting last year, according to documents just released under U.S. Freedom of Information laws.

Top military brass, corporate executives and diplomats also attended the meeting in Banff, Alta., where participants discussed everything from the harmonization of food and drug standards, to common immigration policies, and the pooling of energy resources.

The secret guest list of the North American Forum included then-U.S. secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld, Canadian Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Rick Hillier, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, Pengrowth Corp. CEO James Kinnear and Lockheed Martin executive Ron Covais.

Presentation outlines for the forum acknowledge that the concept of North American integration - which some call a "North American Union" - is unpopular, and note that it might be tough to sell as a concept.

more

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17005.htm


MEDIA RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 9, 2007

High-level meeting aimed at integrating North America, says Council of Canadians

Ottawa – North American integration will be the primary focus of a high-level trinational meeting scheduled for February 23, says the Council of Canadians. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff will be in Ottawa to meet with Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, Trade Minister David Emerson and their Mexican counterparts.

“While recent media reports have claimed that the meeting will focus on border security,” says Maude Barlow, national chairperson of the Council of Canadians, “we know that the goal of this meeting is to advance a much larger corporate-led agenda for North American integration – something our government has been very secretive about.”

A September 2006 report issued by the governments of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico stated that the upcoming meeting would take place in order to “review progress” on the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) and “develop concrete initiatives” in preparation for the leaders’ summit expected to take place in Kananaskis in June 2007.

“The Security and Prosperity Partnership goes beyond simply the passport issue,” says Jean-Yves Lefort, trade campaigner for the Council of Canadians. “The agreement calls for 300 policy changes in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico and gives wide-ranging powers to the business elite without any consideration for the public interest or the environment.”

The North American Competitiveness Council, a business advisory body to the SPP representing North America’s largest corporations, will be presenting recommendations at the upcoming meeting.

The Council of Canadians is demanding that Canada cease all further participation in the Security and Prosperity Partnership and that Stephen Harper consult with Canadians in a meaningful way on Canada-U.S. relations.

http://www.canadians.org/media/DI/2007/09-Feb-07.html

Edited to add this CBC article:

Top secret: Banff security meeting attracted U.S., Mexico officials
Last Updated: Thursday, September 21, 2006 | 9:15 AM MT
CBC News


A North American security meeting was secretly held in Banff last week, attracting high-profile officials from the United States, Mexico and Canada.

The North American Forum was hosted with the help of the Canada West Foundation and the Canadian Council of Chief Executives.

snip

John Larson, a spokesperson for the North American Forum, said reporters were not told about the conference. He won't confirm who attended the meeting nor will he give any concrete details about what was discussed.

"The participants joined the conference essentially knowing that it would be a private function," said Larson.

more

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2006/09/21/secret-meeting.html


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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:46 PM
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21. I'm one US'er who will be happy to welcome them - gotta dilute the power of the BushBots.
Gotta feel for those poor Canadians and Mexicans though to get mixed up with us. The Mexicans may be happy at first but once they realize how fucked up we are - they'll be begging to get away.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 11:15 PM
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22. the elites in Canada, Mexico, and America are pretty much the same
no national loyalties; only loyalty is to their own class and to money. Any deal which moves these three countries closer will be specifically designed to screw the workers in all three, while benefiting the elites. BTW, I'm not surprised Prime Minister Martin agreed to this framework; the Liberal party in Canada ain't liberal. They would be better to call themselves the Big Toronto Corporation party.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 12:02 AM
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23. another thread on same from LBN
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 12:04 AM
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24. Does anyone feel * signed a treaty here without Senate approval?
could SPP to form NAU be a treaty he did on his own illegally?
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 12:20 AM
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25. Not just North America
Central America and the Caribbean are also part of the plan.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 02:34 PM
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26. Kick! eom
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