Disgusting, filthy Islamophobic email I received from a relative of mine

[Hugabear]

This is very interesting! We all need to read it from start to finish......... and send it on to anyone who will read it.

Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Religiously - no. . . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
(Koran).

Scripturally - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. . . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. . . . Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. . . . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. . . . Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation, perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.

They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

* * * Call it what you wish; it's still the truth.

* * * You had better believe it.

* * * The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President?

You HAVE to be kidding?! Wake up America!

Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran (Koran)---not the Bible!



I don't even know where to begin in responding with this outrageous email. I'm sure this is making its rounds across the internet, and I'm sure that many here on DU may have received this as well. Personally, I find Christian fundamentalism like this to be a MUCH bigger threat to America than the most extreme fanatical Muslim could ever hope to be. And this bullshit about Obama being a Muslim, what a crock of shit! It's amazing that this outright lie is still being propagated, but it just goes to show how virulently the bigotry is among the right-wing crowd.

I think that I will challenge this person to show me video or audio proof of Obama saying that he would be sworn in on the Koran. Wonder if I'll ever get a response?

[meegbear]

1. About 3/4 of the 'no' responses can be transposed to Christianity ...

and the part about Obama is from a debunked email merged in. I couldn't find it offhand on snopes, but here's a link about it being false:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2007/dec/20/chain-email-gets-obama-religion-wrong/

[Name removed]

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[DesertRat]

Here's a link with the Facts to send back to your relative

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html

[gratuitous]

2. Yes, it is nonsense

For example, isn't a good Christian bound to follow the Bible? Jesus himself said that no man can serve two masters, so would a good Christian put his country above loyalty to God? Jesus was so faithful, even to the cost of his own life, to the dictum not to kill; does America have sufficient faith in God to forego revenge and retaliatory violence when we are harmed or even just threatened? Would a good Christian support the wholesale killing of civilians in other countries that had never attacked us or hadn't even threatened us?

And it goes on and on. Your correspondent is a dimbulb. It's up to you to decide how seriously to address this garbage, or if it's even worth the effort because he's such a stonebrain.

[Irishonly]

4. It's been going around for a while

When I received it the first time the sender received a lecture from me. I wish snopes would hurry up and debunk it although I am afraid another one will just take it's place. Not only does it play upon fear and hate, it forces Obama to keep denying it. The fundamentalist religious right is not going to stop. Just once I wish we could find out the author of these vile emails about all of the candidates. I don't know what I would do but I don't think a public shaming would be a bad thing.:banghead:

[Dorian Gray]

5. Just tell him not to send you

any more stupid idiotic emails that are full of totally unfounded BULLSHIT!

[malaise]

6. So why are you spreading

this rubbish? :shrug:

[warren pease]

7. I got that previous hit piece from a correspondent who's become a pretty good friend, but...

...is still wading through the right wing slime he was born, raised and acculturated in. He's a good, decent guy at heart, though, and he really doesn't want to spend his life spewing unsubstantiated wingnut bullshit. I sent him this message in response to last week's Obama hit piece (I think the Newsweek article I linked in the message below is identical to the factcheck.org link DesertRat included in her post above):

Hi XXX -- I hate to give you grief about this but, in the interests of accuracy, I've got to point you to a recent Newsweek article that takes these points one by one, fact-checks them and finds them either inaccurate, incomplete or just plain wrong.

Try to find the time to read through this piece -- and that's a pain in the ass because it's about six or seven pages long -- and compare it with the assertions made in that email.

For instance, that thing about Obama getting sworn in on the Koran: That just didn't happen. It did happen with a Minnesota congressman, Keith Ellison, who's a Muslim and was sworn in on a copy of the Koran that had once belonged to Thomas Jefferson. But not Obama.

Btw, I don't really care that much about Obama one way or the other. I'm supporting somebody else, so this email is no skin off my ass politically. But I don't want to see you exposing yourself to criticism from people who may try to rip you for just forwarding information that you had assumed to be accurate.

Best,

....

To which I got this response: "Thank you. I'm glad you helped me open my eyes again.... We will pray for the best one to win this thing and to truly do what they say they will do."

I think it's non-optional to confront this unacceptable crap every time it shows up, but it's also important to make sure to attack the message and not the messenger. People need a way to save face and it's a hell of a lot easier to get their attention and buy-in when you leave them a way to do that.


wp

[JerseygirlCT]

12. You're right and that was nicely done. nt

[chelaque liberal]

8. CAN A GOOD EVANGELICAL BE A GOOD AMERICAN?

CAN A GOOD EVANGELICAL BE A GOOD AMERICAN?

I forwarded that question to a friend that worked as a janitor at an Evangelical church for 20 years.

The following is his forwarded reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to a God who personally supports such un-American values as torture, rigged elections, staggering deficits, and tax cuts for the rich.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his God except Evangelical Christianity (The Bible tells him so.) .

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the four pillars of the New Testament (Christian Bible), which he puts before the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Evangelical Heaven, to which no one but a bona fide, tithing, toe-the-line Evangelical Christian can gain admittance.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Church forbids him to make friends with Muslims and Jews, who attend Mosques and Synagogues.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the Great Satan (Mad King George), who preaches the Annihilation of Muslims and Destruction of Islam - not to mention the shredding of "That Worthless Piece of Paper, the Constitution" - as the true path to a monopoly on Middle East oil, and global hegemony.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry one women at a time, and treat her like an obedient servant ("You will be eager for your husband and he will rule over you"--Genesis 3:16, and "Wives be subservient to your husbands"--Ephesians 5:22.) .

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Secular Humanist principles and he believes Secular Humanism, like science and the United Nations, to be corrupt. And, because he has a hard time thinking for himself.

Philosophically - no. Because according to Evangelical beliefs, Christianity, Jesus, and the Bible do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Evangelical Christianity cannot co-exist. Every Evangelical government on Earth is either dictatorial or autocratic, or, in the case of America, both.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Evangelical’s God excludes homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, cross-dressers, pro-choice liberals, anti-war activists, environmentalists, atheists, agnostics, and millions upon millions of other Americans, most of whom believe "Christian soldier" to be an oxymoron.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be extremely suspicious of ALL EVANGELICALS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Evangelicals and good Americans. Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.

You had better believe it.

If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.





http://david.hedges.name/archive/2006/09/19/can_a_good_muslim_be_a_good_am

[conscious evolution]

14. What an excellant reply

Thanks for posting it.

[zorahopkins]

9. What Is The Point Of Posting Such Filth?

What is the point of posting such digusting filth here?

[Hugabear]

10. I did struggle with whether or not to post this

I knew that this post would be inflammatory - it certainly inflamed me when I saw it. I wasn't sure whether I should post it here or not, but I believe in exposing ugly things like this to the light of day. Anything that reinforces what a bunch of self-serving, hypocritical, lying assholes they are can ultimately be helpful, IMHO. I'm sure there are many of us who have such idiots in our family, our workplace, and perhaps even some of our friends.

[conscious evolution]

15. People post this kinda crap

so they can find out how to rebute them.
See reply #8 for a great example of a rebuttal that can help discredit mudslinging/misinformation campaigns such as this.

[JerseygirlCT]

11. I couldn't even keep reading. You're right; there's far too much to

refute all at once.

Every single thing I read was grossly incorrect. "moon god"??? No other religion??? (see "people of the book")

And what the hell does "scripturally correct" have to do with being and American? The Constitution is not based on the Bible, damnit!

Good grief. At the same time, I think I'd take the time to calmly refute every piece of tripe there and forward it to everyone on the list. Twice.

[cgrindley]

13. Islam, like Christianity, is a horrendous threat to personal freedom and liberty

and it would be just as easy to re-draft the letter paying attention to the crimes of christianity and to the factual inaccuracies of the letter itself--eg this is NOT a nation founded on religion, nor is it a nation under god.

Well... and the blatant asshattery of claiming that Obama is a muslim... as he is actually, like so many others, simply a deluded follower of christianity.