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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:05 AM
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Scott Horton interviews Mark Crispin Miller for Harper's
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/01/hbc-90002227

Six Questions for Mark Crispin Miller, Author of ‘Fooled Again’

January 24, 2008

Mark Crispin Miller is a professor of culture and communications at New York University. He’s also a man on a mission: to make the case for electoral reform. Miller climbs into the minutiae of the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections-voter caging in Florida, ballot stickers in Ohio, and lots of unseemly details in between. The core of his argument unfolded in “None Dare Call It Stolen: Ohio, the Election, and America’s Servile Press” which appeared in the August 2005 issue of Harper’s. It evolved into Fooled Again: The Real Case for Electoral Reform in 2005. And in the end, he tells us that notwithstanding the reassurances of the mainstream media, we have no reason to be confident in the formally reported results of those two elections. The paperback edition came out earlier this year, with an extensive afterward and much updated material. No Comment puts six questions to Harper’s contributor, author and media critic, Mark Crispin Miller, about his book, the mainstream media, and the art of political persecution in America today.

1. One of the most striking things I saw in your book was on the fly page, where you very cleverly juxtapose quotations from Tom Paine, T.W. Adorno and Tom DeLay–all of them are on the topic of truth and power, it seems to me. But the Adorno quote is particularly fascinating, it’s taken from an essay he wrote at the end of World War II, in which he’s drawing a very important lesson: that the totalitarian states the Allies were battling had mastered the technique of using power to generate their own truth, and to make anything inconsistent with it seem a lie. And this is precisely the same point that George Orwell and Victor Klemperer made, both writing the same year. Of course, as I read your book, your point is not that America has become a totalitarian state, but rather that political forces within the country are making rather more subtle use of the same techniques. Am I reading this correctly?

Well, yes and no. On the one hand, Bush & Co.’s vast inversions of the truth – distortions infinitely larger than mere lying – are the product of a conscious and deliberate “technique,” as you put it. And yet, they’re also, at the same time, a ferociously sincere expression of the way these mad authoritarians perceive reality. In other words, when Bush and Cheney and their cohorts say that up is down and black is white, they are not just dispassionately following a certain set of rules for doing propaganda. Such fierce untruthfulness comes to them naturally, because their world-view is completely paranoid.

I think Adorno understood this; and so did both Orwell and Klemperer. “Doublethink” is Orwell’s deft conception of this sort of simultaneous dissimulation and fanatical conviction: deliberate deception based on (partial) self-deception. And Klemperer was acutely conscious of the Nazis’ quasi-religious zealotry. In his diary he repeatedly makes note of Hitler’s wild medieval frame of mind (at one point he refers to Hitler’s oratory as “the mad bawling of a priest”), yet also notes the element of mammoth orchestration in the Nazi propaganda–a genius for spectacular manipulation that reminds him of the works of Hollywood. Klemperer understood, in short, that what made Hitler and the Nazi movement so profoundly and unusually dangerous was this combination of crusading zest and up-to-date technique.

As I point out in Fooled Again, that sort of ferocious cunning has, throughout the centuries, marked paranoid crusades of every kind. Certainly we see it in Bush/Cheney’s movement, which includes radical theocrats, neocon extremists, dedicated neo-Confederates, and other types who tend to see themselves as victims and their struggle, therefore, as defensive. In their eyes, the very people whom they’re trying to destroy are ruthless and relentless, full of hate and fury, while they themselves are innocent, outnumbered, “fighting back.” In short, Bush/Cheney’s movement is projective, lividly imputing their own darkest impulses to everybody else.

Such projectivity, I argue, drove the Crusaders of the Middle Ages, and the Western efforts to annihilate the “savages” on the American frontiers. Nazism also was essentially projective, as Hitler and his men consistently imputed their own wrath and vengefulness and lust for power to “world Jewry”–against which they were fighting, they believed, in self-defense. We see the same mentality in the Islamist, Christianist and ultra-Zionist movements; and, overwhelmingly, among the Bush Republicans, whose program, I believe, is ultimately pathological. The Bushevik is fatally obsessed with wiping out the “terrorist” within himself–and, no less, the homosexual within. How many of those ranting homophobes have turned out to be cruisers in the dark? Bush/Cheney’s G.O.P. is, above all, the Party of the Closet; and therefore suicidally engaged in trying to straighten out, or murder, all those other “perverts” the world over.

Such is the animus that motivates the Busheviks’ “techniques” of lying and manipulation.

Continued...
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/01/hbc-90002227
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:46 AM
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1. A must read
"There is no doubt that the op-scans were manipulated in the New Hampshire primary, as Hillary won by six points where the votes were counted by those gadgets, while Obama won by six points where the ballots were hand-counted–and, contrary to a lot of comfy punditry, there was actually no demographic factor that explains the difference.There is no doubt that the op-scans were manipulated in the New Hampshire primary, as Hillary won by six points where the votes were counted by those gadgets, while Obama won by six points where the ballots were hand-counted–and, contrary to a lot of comfy punditry, there was actually no demographic factor that explains the difference."
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:03 AM
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2. Me likey:
5. What’s the fix for the nation’s broken elections system? Give me the first steps you’d take.

(1) Repeal the Help America Vote Act (HAVA).

(2) Replace all electronic voting with hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB).

(3) Get rid of computerized voter rolls.

(4) Keep all private vendors out of the election process.

(5) Make it illegal for the TV networks to declare who won before the vote-count is complete.

(6) Set up an exit polling system, publicly supported, to keep the vote-counts honest.

(7) Get rid of voter registration rules, by having every citizen be duly registered on his/her 18th birthday.

(8) Ban all state requirements for state-issued ID’s at the polls.

(9) Put all polling places under video surveillance, to spot voter fraud, monitor election personnel, and track the turnout.

(10) Have Election Day declared a federal holiday, requiring all employers to allow their workers time to vote.

(11) Make it illegal for Secretaries of State to co-chair political campaigns (or otherwise assist or favor them).

(12) Make election fraud a major felony, with life imprisonment–and disenfranchisement–for all repeat offenders.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:30 AM
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3. K & R and move over Sigmund. GREAT reading so far.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:33 PM
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4. Thank you
for posting the type of thing that makes DU a valuable resource. This is what DU is supposed to offer! Very much appreciated.

Nominated!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:47 PM
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5. Thanks for posting!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:55 PM
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6. Great stuff. MCM understands fraud from a depth not found anywhere else.
He's on target here, in typical form.

K*R in the extreme.

btw, I'm a fan of the 4th Crusade (not really, but at least it was honest). That's the one where the Republic of Venice commanded, which they never did on the first three since the Muslims were they're very good trading partners. The Doge of Venice turned the fleet around on the way to the Holy Land and attacked Constantinople, the Byzantine Empire, which was wealthy beyond words, and also Christan. The lemmings in the boats from all over Europe participated in this devastating rape of a great city and all they got for it was a much wealthier Venice. Shows sometimes it's just about the money.

:)

http://crusades.boisestate.edu/4th/13.shtml
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:01 PM
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7. K&R
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:50 PM
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8. two of my fave people
thanks for this... by the way, Brad Friedman and Michael Collins (wink) have also contributed to MCM's new book:_)
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:48 PM
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9. Sure thing.
Horton is pretty much new to me, I may have read something by him before, but I was unaware of his impressive resume.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:09 PM
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10. K&R
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