*** Official Senate Judiciary DOJ Hearing- #2 ***

[annabanana]

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

#1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2790819&mesg_id=2790819

[annabanana]

1. Ted Kennedy up!

[annabanana]

2. Starts by thanking him for the few steps he HAS taken. . look out below!

[MiniMe]

3. Thanks Anna!

[annabanana]

4. "like saying "you're opposed to theft, but not sure if bank robbery would qualify"

[MiniMe]

5. Answer is like saying stealing is illegal but not sure if a robbery should be prosecuted

[annabanana]

6. CIA continues to use stress positions, sleep deprivation and thing the military won't

[MiniMe]

7. There are some PO'd Senators in the room

[annabanana]

"Would waterboarding be torture if it was done to YOU?"

[Solly Mack]

8. K&R Thanks annabanana!

Kennedy speaking


"NO one is being held accountable" (CIA DID waterboard)

Now listing the other forms of torture being used

[Solly Mack]

13. OMMFG! Mukasey is a supreme piece of shit

[bdamomma]

56. just another tool of the * regime.

[Solly Mack]

68. Nothing but....no different from Gonzales

both torture promoting tools

[annabanana]

9. I would "think" that it was. . .

[MiniMe]

10. Would waterboarding be torture if it was done to you?

He says I would feel like it was, but didn't answer if it was or not.

[Justpat]

11. Go Kennedy

Is waterboarding torture if it is done to you?

Mukasey says: I would think so.

#$&@!

[VP505]

12. Kennedy says

"I won't ask cause I know I won't get a straight answer, LOL.

[annabanana]

14. muk "there is a difference of opinion"

[annabanana]

15. again "I can't answer BECAUSE I am the AG. . "

[Justpat]

16. This guy has legal speak down to an artform.

Doesn't answer anything - fills up the air with word that go off in all directions at once.

[annabanana]

17. He can't answer, apparently, unless he is CURRENTLY being waterboarded!

[annabanana]

19. (personally I say... let's get on that)

[MiniMe]

18. What circumstances would it be legal to WB

Muk can't answer it. Because then our enemies would know. I am getting so damn sick of that answer.

[Justpat]

20. Can't tell our enemies what to expect...

God, I don't think I can take any more.

[annabanana]

21. "We may not maim, we may not rape.. but waterboardingisn't on that list"

[Solly Mack]

28. The Geneva Convention doesn't specifically mention beating people with

a baseball bat either...but it counts as torture

I know you know...I'm just in a rage right now :)

[Solly Mack]

22. I'm livid! That groveling, cowardly, collaborationist in torture

It says a lot about America that he's even AG...and NONE of it good

[L. Coyote]

43. WORSE! He ruled admissable torture obtained evidence leading to Padilla.

He is personally involved in the torture question, having had to already rule in a case that follows from the waterboarding! That underlies his stance here, if not why he was an acceptable choice to Bush.

[Solly Mack]

51. I know, L. Coyote and you're right...worse...much worse

[MiniMe]

23. DHS received 1.4 million naturalization apps

Taking too long for them to get through them. Asks if it could be partially to influence the election

[annabanana]

24. Now asking about backlog in the naturalization of citizens.. who OUGHT to be

able to vote.

[L. Coyote]

25. Rec #5 - Give it 5 more *** Kennedy getting to voting rights and naturalization

Damn liberal immigrants! Can't let them vote for the DEMS!

[Justpat]

26. Homeland security now processing naturalizations papers

Muck says: not my problem. Homeland security is responsible.
They will do everything they can to make sure everyone can vote.
Yeah, I'll bet they will.

[annabanana]

27. Grassley will be up next, then Biden. .

[annabanana]

29. Grassley says he did not get answers to all his questions...

[annabanana]

30. Will I get these answers before a year has passed (#64-83 apparently)

[L. Coyote]

31. I'm reminded of the "Greased Pig" contest at the country fair, an evasion game!

It seems the apropo analogy for the highest law enforcement officer of the land. :rofl:

And, oh how greasy! I'm impressed by his ability to evade questions.

[annabanana]

32. a question on whistleblowers... "they should be protected"

[Justpat]

33. Asking for responses he asked for several months ago.

Muck doesn't know anything about anything - but will check in to it.

In other words: I'll get back to you.

[annabanana]

34. What about "National Security" wistleblowers?. .individuals...

[annabanana]

35. (wait.. this isn't a sybil question is it?)

[Solly Mack]

36. I'm going to need a shower after this...the slime oozing off Mukasey

is getting everywhere

[annabanana]

37. You said that protections for NS whistleblowers are unconstitutional!

[annabanana]

38. We NEED a secure venue for NS whistleblowers. .

[annabanana]

39. Oh this IS a slippery damn answer....

[Justpat]

40. brings up whistleblowers situation.

Basically, Mr. Muck says that the concept of national security makes it so that
whistleblowers can't be protected.

wow, grassley is pissed.

[Justpat]

41. brings up whistleblowers situation.

Basically, Mr. Muck says that the concept of national security makes it so that
whistleblowers can't be protected.

wow, grassley is pissed.

[annabanana]

42. A law that passed Congress unanimously isn't good enough for you?

[annabanana]

44. "executive's right to suprevise his employees". . HEY They're OUR employees.

[bdamomma]

45. oh my thanks for the reminder, just upset about my candidate

discontinuing the race. What's going on?

[annabanana]

46. Grassley is being surprisingly tough...

[annabanana]

47. Biden up

[Justpat]

48. This guy is a fascist pig.

Says executive branch has right to supervise its employees.

Does this man understand the concept of our form of government?

Wow, grassley is really pissed.

Says Mr. Muck has cut congress out of any oversight role that it is to
perform as its function.

[VP505]

49. OH NO,

its NOT a matter of hiding wrong doing, ya, like this admin has been soooo straight forward on everything.

[annabanana]

50. Asking about Muk's methodology.. "Maybe I'm a little slow" - HA!

[Irishonly]

52. He's been coached well

What a poor excuse for a human being. I was taking my daughter to school but when I returned dh said Spector was acting outraged. I told him it was for show.

[VP505]

58. I am not too

sure about that anymore, I think Specter and Grassly are starting to get really embarrassed by all this dancing around the truth.

[Irishonly]

109. I hope you are right n/t

[annabanana]

Why is waterboarding a "relative" question?? and thumbscrews aren't?

[Justpat]

53. Shit, my cspan stream went out.

[bdamomma]

54. Biden!!!!!

up.

[annabanana]

55. "There IS a statute under which it IS a relative issue". . good god

[annabanana]

57. "the cruelty vs the value"

[annabanana]

59. So the "shocking of the conscious" IS a factor...

[Justpat]

60. OK, back on now - phwew...

torture..
It is not a relative issue, but then it again it is.
Oh man, this guy makes my head hurt.

[Justpat]

63. Biden says shocking the conscience refers to civilized behavior. n/t

[Solly Mack]

61. the costs...er...I meant... fucker

[annabanana]

62. I've never heard of "shocking of the conscious" being tied to the info sought!

[MiniMe]

65. Go BIDEN!!

[L. Coyote]

64. I can't wait to see this transcript, balancing heniousness and value of torture!!

[annabanana]

66. "I remember Cicero, too". . good on Biden!

[annabanana]

67. Biden is ONE SMART COOKIE

[L. Coyote]

72. I finally figured out Wash DC. The Corrupt Bastards Club vs. The Altar Boys

[jtrockville]

76. Beautifully put!

[Eurobabe]

89. Most likely why Biden does not LIVE in DC

the snake pit of the East Coast (referring to politicians, lobbyists, etc.)

[bdamomma]

95. sounds about right to me L Coyote.

[Justpat]

69. Go Biden!

So is Muck saying that torture is OK as long as it doesn't shock the conscience??

WTF? Shouldn't torture shock the conscience of anyone with a pulse?

[annabanana]

70. "Violent crime is down - your stripped down $ response is sufficient?"

[annabanana]

71. please reconsider your response to my bill. .

[annabanana]

73. LOL - you screwed me, now here I am....

[annabanana]

74. Sessions up (ugh)

[annabanana]

75. I'm going to the john & to fill up my coffee cup

[Solly Mack]

77. Mary, mother of my friend Edmond, please someone smack Sessions

[Solly Mack]

80. Sessions is lying..that picture of the dead prioner in the used iced bags

was beaten to death during interrogation at Abu Ghraib

[bdamomma]

78. this Mukasey is a slimy piece too.

god, this country is really off track.

[Eurobabe]

79. Just tuned in...

Saw a clip of Biden on MSNBC. God love ya JOE!

[bdamomma]

82. he's a good guy.

[MiniMe]

81. Did sessions just basically get Muk to admit that the CIA has waterboarded in the past?

Bwaa Haaa Haaa

You idiot

[Solly Mack]

87. but that's their defense...it was the past...

like what happened during Selection 2000...the past
why we invaded Iraq...the past


everything in the past means it's over with and we shouldn't hold anyone accountable

that's their defense...

[annabanana]

91. yes. yes he did.

[Justpat]

83. Sessions is such a joke.

Says torture is not used by military. It is used by CIA.

What about Abu Ghureb?

According to Sessions we don't torture. The fact that we send
people to other countries to do our dirty work doesn't factor
in his mind.

[bdamomma]

86. we do torture, and the rest of world knows it.

[L. Coyote]

84. Can anyone youtube the Biden portion. Maybe TPM is on it.

[Justpat]

85. Someone make it stop.

Sessions is a delusional pos.

[bdamomma]

88. aren't all the repigs delusional.

[Justpat]

94. yes, they are. It seems to be a requirement for belief in their weird world view.

[Solly Mack]

92. A liar too

[Justpat]

90. Can't listen to this guy anymore.

No wonder Bush picked this guy. He eludes every question, he dazzles everyone with
bullshit, and problably wouldn't give a straight answer if is someone asked him
what he had for breakfast.

[annabanana]

93. Herb Kohl (D- Wisc) up

[annabanana]

96. Funding of anti violence initiatives discussion

[Justpat]

97. This guy is a slightly taller version of Gonzo.

Same bullshit, same blind wilingness to protect the Boy King from any wrongdoing.

[annabanana]

103. better spoken, smoother. . better at being slippery

[Justpat]

108. you are right.

Not so many "uh, um, uh, well, let me say this,"

But the same basic product.

[L. Coyote]

104. This guy is just a new Greased Pig of larger stature with better grease

[bdamomma]

110. of course, these guys all signed the * loyalty act.

[L. Coyote]

98. TPM: Mukasey: CIA Tapes Investigation May Cover Interrogation Techniques

TPM already has YouTubes up of this early highlight:

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Mukasey: CIA Tapes Investigation May Cover Interrogation Techniques
By Paul Kiel - January 30, 2008, 11:05AM - http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005173.php

In his first round of questioning this morning, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) asked a question that's been on everyone's mind: will the criminal investigation that's been launched into the destruction of the CIA's torture tapes also cover the techniques that were documented on those tapes?

VIDEO

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[annabanana]

99. Should we close Guantanemo? - Yes, as long as we know how to deal

with the remaining inmates...

[annabanana]

100. Looking for a *SUBSTITUTE* for Habeas Corpus??

[Solly Mack]

106. from the man who said torture could be constitutional under article 2

[Solly Mack]

101. the "President" has also said " we don't torture"

he's a liar...just like you

[Justpat]

102. What to do with Gitmo?

Do you believe we should close Gitmo?

HaHa. Says Bush wants to cloes it if it can be done in a responsible way.


WTF does that mean? As if Bush was familiar with the concept of responsibility.
He can't carry his dog in a responsible manner - so we are to trust him
to close his off limits prison in a responsible way?

Oh yeah, that works.

[Justpat]

105. I'll be going to bang my head into the wall now..

:banghead:

can't take it.

[annabanana]

107. Thread #3 UP!

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