"Universal Healthcare" to me means - Single-Payer, Medicare For All

[Postman]

Sort of like what France, UK, Canada and Australia have for their citizens...

What is this quasi-profit crap they want to push?

Why can't Clinton or Obama just propose Universal, Single-Payer, Medicare for all?

They act as though they can't do it...

[Kahuna]

1. Exactly!!! None of them are proposing "universal." They all have

insurance plans. Which is fine if you can afford to pay the premium. If you can't, oh well!

[dflprincess]

2. I've been frothing at the mouth all through this part of the debate and have finally turned it off

Unfortunately, "universal healthcare" has become a meaningless phrase when it comes out of the mouth of an American politician. It's used to lull those who aren't paying attention into thinking the candidate actually cares that many Americans are one hospital stay away from bankruptcy.

It isn't that they can't do single payer, it's that they won't.

[TahitiNut]

3. Yup. Anything else is a fraud. I'll take the French or Italian approaches. Not a reinvented wheel.

A square wheel at that. :puke:

Both of these corporate toadies keep pandering to "take the costs out of health care" ... and that means federal immunization against MALPRACTICE SUITS ... and that's abominable!

[Stinky The Clown]

4. The Lobbys

Insurance

Big Med

Big Pharm

The only way we get single payer is to first get the fucking lobbyists out of politics. These two probably DO really want true single payer. But they are beholden to other than We The People and that's that.

[Mnemosyne]

5. I believe they are proposing "mandatory" insurance. It will be a nightmare,

if so,imho.

Can't have the insurance corpses losing those big bucks.

[WoodyM]

6. Insurance Cost

Just get the insurance companies out of health care would greatly reduce the cost. Not only the profit they make but also the overhead cost are so much more.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. But, but if we did what other countries have done

we'd be embracing Communism :sarcasm: Why do you hate Murica?

[dpbrown]

8. Exactly - forcing people to buy private insurance will be an unmitigated disaster

Coupled with the obvious problem that it legitimates the Republican position that Democrats just "throw money" at problems. Forcing people onto the broken system means that the plan will use government dollars to help people buy into a system that's still motivated to make it impossible for those people to have insurance.

Private insurers will just raise rates and figure out other ways to push people off health care - then the government will have to throw more money at it - then private insurers will throw people off - if you don't break the cycle by introducing universal single payer, the system is still broken and can't be fixed.

[burythehatchet]

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