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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:20 PM
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WHY is Herr Decider still allowed to make signing statements?
It's really simple. Congress passes a bill. Congress delivers the bill for the President to sign into law. Congress stands around the President, peering over his shoulder like the land barons did when King John was staring at the Magna Carta. The President signs the bill into law, and immediately after that, Congress lifts the signed bill from the President's desk and thanks the Presdent for his service to his nation.

So why, pray tell me, is Congress simply turning its back and allowing Herr Decider to state that there will be permanent military bases in Iraq despite Congress passing a law that there would be no such thing?

Someone please help me out here...
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:21 PM
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1. The Prospect of Power is hard to give up.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:47 PM
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11. Or corporate rewards\jobs after public service
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:23 PM
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2. The billion-dollar question.
I don't know. Maddening, ain't it?
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:23 AM
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13. We want out of Iraq so why build more bases
except to steal? So far we have little to show for our seven trillion dollar debt.

Impeach them.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:26 PM
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3. because there is no opposition party in congress? nt
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:46 PM
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10. You got that right!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:29 PM
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4. One day soon the Dems will have all the power grabbed by chimpy.
Those high up aren't going to cut off their own hands.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:31 PM
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5. Has either Dem candidate said, they disapproved of that?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:34 PM
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7. Neither of them had the nerve to mention in tonight's debate, when permanent bases came up,
that Shrub already had a signing statement.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:34 PM
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8. Something which they should address.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:32 PM
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6. Because the Congress lets him. I believe they have the right to strike down signing statements if
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 11:33 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
they wish to.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:46 PM
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9. If they believe in the Constitution which they don't
They'd rather rule in secret behind closed doors.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:48 PM
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12. Tragically true. nt
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:27 AM
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14. We can't say this President has made good decisions to
protect us by his "signing statements". Mostly they take away our democracy and rob us. Democracy and freedom is what we are trying to protect in the first place. Aren't we?

It is also unconstitutional. The Congress fails to represent the people's wishes by allowing him signing statements.

Is the Congress "bag men" for this President?
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:40 PM
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15. Because congress' so-called leaders are taking advice from absolute idiots who...
have convinced them that the way to win in November is to do absolutely nothing that could be construed as divisive, partisan, progressive or even assertive. Contesting a signing statement could be considered divisive or partisan, I suppose.

They're apparently being told to avoid taking any positions that could be interpreted as obstructionist, anti-Bush, anti-Iraq occupation, anti-troops, pro-terrorism, pro-impeachment or anti-military spending.

The fact that anyone with a brain larger than a pecan could possibly believe GOP claims that this or that democrat is actually in favor of more troop deaths or supports horrendous terrorist actions indicates just how abysmally fucking low the median level of comprehension has become in the land of the free-to-be-dumber-than-dirt. But that's another subject entirely.

There are only a few reasons I can come up with for the kind of behavior we're seeing from the "opposition" party.

Complicity/Corruption -- The purpose and outcome of all significant legislative and regulatory measures is defined by and must conform to the needs of those corporations who have bought the parties and their candidates dozens of times over. Since both parties feed to bursting at the corporate trough, it's not surprising that their agendas have moved closer and closer over the years until they're now almost indistinguishable.

Cowardice -- We can discuss whether it's Stockholm Syndrome, battered women's syndrome or good old-fashioned wimpiness when faced with the GOP's endless roster of blowhard bullies. Whatever the reason, it's not good enough. If they lack the courage of their convictions, they have no business taking up a perfectly good seat that should be occupied by someone with principles and the courage to act on them. They've sold out their history, their constituents, their personal honor and dignity, their country, their conscience, their political roots and, incidentally, the Constitution and the entire body of precedent and case law that has grown up around it. But they don't seem to give much of a damn because their own reelections are all that matters and if cowering in a corner will help make that happen, great.

When you stop searching for logic or intelligence behind the Dems' behavior and understand that they're just playing their appointed roles as defined by political handlers and election strategists, things make a lot more sense. And a lot more disgusting.

And this is why I detest this particular pack of compromised democratic "leaders" above all their predecessors. They're obvious cowards and collaborators; simple as that. As a party badly in need of credibility, they had nothing to lose and much to gain by impeaching, sitting on war funding bills, cutting BushCo off at the wallet, contesting every single thing the bastards pulled and then shouting their reasons at the top of their lungs.

Instead, we get telecom immunity, no accountability for any of BushCo's made men, near unanimous passage of every single domestic repression bill that slithers its way from the white house, and a bottomless treasure chest of borrowed money to support BushCo's imperialist blood lust. And ton of strongly worded statements and formal letters of complaint.

All this only makes sense if they're all in it together, if they're all members of the same exclusive club and if they've all been completely corrupted by corporate bribery. I suggest the evidence for that view is pretty strong. Like all great cons, you'll never be able to actually prove it. But what's been happening doesn't pass the smell test unless you expand the parameters of acceptable analysis.


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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:00 PM
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16. Because there aren't enough votes to do something
The Senate is "Democratic party" lead in name only. There simply aren't a majority of Democrats needed to pass the kind of objections needed. The Republicans have more or less gone 100 % behind Bush on almost every issue. So there's no help there. Worse there are some in the Democratic party that feel it's too late in this presidency to take a stand. So there go a few votes there. So the leadership is looking at basically unless there is a huge out cry from the people to switch peoples votes (there hasn't been), they haven't the power to do anything.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:11 PM
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17. you appear to mistakenly believe that there is an opposition party
and that the Constitution is still relevant to the government and that there is an actual government, in any meaningful use of that term, in place.

Wake up. The oligopoly and their corporations have bought BOTH parties. All political issues that arise between the two parties are just so much theater, acted out in the corporate media so that we will continue to play along with the pretense of democracy instead of taking to the streets with pitchforks and torches.

With a bare handful of exceptions (who are being further and further marginalized as we type and read this), both parties represent exactly the same interests. The "choices" aren't between two substantively different world views or possible outcomes, the "choices" are between corporate position A and very slightly alternative corporate position B. The media and hammers and hammers those tiny differences as though they were a philosophical chasm, all in the interest of theater. The public is either entirely apathetic or watches obsessively, fascinated by the tinier and tinier little slivers of hairs that have been split so many times that they have become all but invisible. Choice A or Choice B? I'm on the B Team!! Rah rah rah! Let's win the big game!

So will it be Choice A or Choice B? In either case the outcomes are the same. More corporate control of the wealth of our nation and the work of its people, with all but a scant dribble of that wealth ending up in the hands of a few families.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:38 PM
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18. because he's still president..and no one in congress is challenging him effectively..n/t
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