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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:02 PM
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Alan Colmes is Important.
He was completely dismissed as worthless in an earlier post. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2805632,

But, I happen to think he is important. Now, it is obvious that Alan does not determine the Hannity and Colmes format and guests. And the Democratic Strategists are so very weak on that and other Fox News shows. Take for example Kirsten Powers, who represents the left, but will say things like, "Well I don't agree with the DailyKos," as O'Reilly makes up stuff about them. She is more help to the right than to the left, because it gives the viewers the sense of 'both sides.'

Alan, on the other hand, does actually challege the lies. Take this for example in which he asks Dick Morris why we should believe his predictions when he has been consistently wrong. (Look at 3:40 of this video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtOgrCcDEBM&eurl=http://www.newshounds.us/2007/10/30/colmes_challenges_dick_morris_dismal_record_on_hillary_clinton_predictions.php

Now, for the actual reasons why he is important. I remember listening to Alan Colmes challenge Al Franken on why Al made fun of him in his books. It was years ago, and I cannot explain the debate, but Alan had Al backed against a wall so much that Al asked, can we just change the subject. I love Al Franken and his books and everything he does, but Alan had me feeling bad too. He is relentless in his argument.

And more importantly, Alan introduces those, who would never venture forth from their protected Fox News, to actual thinking. I use to think about this years ago, when on the road and listening, to my XM radio with the one liberal voice at 10 p.m., Alan. The viewers of Fox News would call him and say he was the liberal they loved to hate. But they would listen to him, and I thought, gee I wish I had better radio, and at the same time thought, this may be a good thing. These people listen and watch shit all the time. I wonder if a few of them might start to see truth. mark_bruns74 said Alan turned him from Independent to Democrat. That's something important. (look at #11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2805632
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:12 PM
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1. He's analagous to the Washington Generals.
The Harlem Globetrotters would abuse and make them look ludicrous at every opportunity. Despite this, they would occasionally get off a decent jumpshot. When this happened, infrequently, the crowd would quietly and politely applaud.

He's not a worthy opponent. He's there to make Hannity look good.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:23 PM
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2. But he opens the eyes of some. I don't know how many.
I hope many.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:24 PM
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3. Exactly. We have to remember that he works for Fox "News" and he has to play
along with their political views. In their republican propaganda programming, he plays the part of the Democratic "wimp" for them.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:32 PM
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4. The only way he is 'important' is to serve as an 'example'
of how 'liberals' can be overtaken.

He is regularly 'outwitted' by Hannity. He serves as an 'example' of how liberals will fold when you get louder and louder and more aggressive. Fox viewers use their interactions as a playbook on how to interact w/ the 'evil others'. When their playbook fails they are able to rationalize that the person they spoke to was 'filled with hate' or 'batshit crazy'. The playbook always works w/Colmes - Due to the fact that Fox will ALWAYS get the last word, and Fox viewers don't understand LOGIC.

He fulfills the FOX viewers wet dreams - that they can pound 'sense' into liberals......



It's really sick stuff, and Colmes needs to untie himself from the 'whipping boy' post.


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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:38 PM
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5. Check out News Hounds. He is better than you think. n/t
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:42 PM
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6. uh, yeah......
His only purpose on Fox is to show their viewers how to ridicule and demean 'liberals'.


If has a life outside of Fox............ whatever.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:55 PM
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7. I know what his purpose is, but he does not do it.
I don't watch the shows normally, but I have seen many examples of his putting up a great fight. I have thought about this for years, and I have been a pissed of Liberal for long time.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:53 AM
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13. Your quote, "I have been a pissed of Liberal for long time."
The complete quote, "I have thought about this for years, and I have been a pissed of Liberal for long time."


uh, yeah.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:59 AM
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15. Is it the fact that I left off an 'f' in pissed off?
I think Colmes is alright. Is that such a bad thing?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:24 AM
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16. Perhaps you missed what I wrote originally
If so, please re-read it.
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:59 PM
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8. Wow, he got defensive!
If I had had any respect for him before this he would have lost it.


But I didn't.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:05 AM
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9. Uh...you misspelled impotent
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:10 AM
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10. Yeah good and funny. I think Colmes brings truth to a place that
people find comfort in fantasy. If a person or two, like maybe the children of these Fox News viewers, say Colmes makes sense, then it is good.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:18 AM
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12. You're wrong; he's a parody liberal punching bag from Roger Ailes' sweatiest dreams
a spineless, physically unattractive pushover with a squeaky voice. He's a shameless whore playing a role.
Hannity deserves a beating, but Colmes deserves slapping
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:55 AM
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14. Colmes is doing the best he can. He makes good money.
He is not a Saint. But he does the best he can in that venue. He looks like a wimp, and Fox News, no doubt chose him for that. But he is not one. After all, we don't look at appearances, and his argument is what is important.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:15 AM
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11. Colmes claimed that Imus "satirized" Rutgers women's basketball team
http://mediamatters.org/items/200710170004


Alan himself insists that the attacks on Fox News are absurd (Red, White and Liberal, pp. 109-113). He notes that although only 18% of Fox News viewers consider themselves liberal, that's still more than the 16% of CNN viewers, and CNN has often been accused of having a liberal bias. As Alan humorously observes, "Maybe all the liberals are watching QVC because of their patriotic desire to turn around a failing economy" (Ibid, pg. 111).

Allen Colmes also said that Al Franken has no credibility



Al Franken on Allen Colmes.

TERENCE SMITH: So that seems to work.

The controversy over fair and balanced news
AL FRANKEN: Well, that's not a radio show, that's a TV show. And that's their sorry excuse for a fair and balanced left-right show.

You have a conservative right-wing propagandist in Sean Hannity, and you have a moderate mild-mannered, I'll call him, liberal on the other side. But Colmes isn't allowed to argue with Hannity.

I had this discussion with Alan (Colmes) at the White House Correspondents Dinner, where Hannity, during the war in Iraq, during the first -- you know, during the part that President Bush said the war was over, on the carrier -- during that, he was saying that Democrats were criticizing the president -- that was very, very mild criticism, like of his diplomatic efforts -- and that he couldn't believe they were undermining the commander-in-chief while our men and women were in harm's way.

Well, I (Lexus) Nexused what Hannity was saying during the war in Kosovo. And he was saying far worse, a hundred times worse stuff about Clinton. He was saying Clinton didn't have the moral authority for this war, that he wasn't following the generals' orders. He at one point said we were running out of ammunition. Now, how much is that undermining the commander-in-chief while our men and women are in harm's way?

So I went to Alan (Colmes) and I said, you know, I told him this and he said, Oh, that's interesting. And I said, Interesting? You know, Nexis it. And he said, Oh, yeah, I could. You can Nexis your own show, can't you? And he said, Yeah. I said, Well, you're going to use it, right? And he said, No, well, that's not our format. I said, Not your format? He said, Yeah, um, we, ah, we don't argue with each other, we just argue with the guest. And I said, Oh, come on; Hannity lies on your show all the time, like, he'll say 90 million Americans are getting an $1,100 tax cut. And they just aren't. And Alan said, Oh, I've responded to that. And I said, Yeah, I've seen it; five minutes later you say, actually that's an average and not the typical family. But then the next day, he'll say it again. And can't you at least (Nexus it)? Well, that's not our format, you know, he said. And I said, Can't you at least talk to him after the show and say don't say that anymore? He said, Well, that's not really -- and I said, The format of your relationship? Yeah, I get it.

So, this is Fox. That's fair and balanced, which is put on this right-wing thug and this milquetoast moderate, and don't let the moderate, who doesn't lie -- I mean, Alan tries to make good arguments, but to me, it's laying down, it's being used. He's their -- I don't know, I've never heard this word on The NewsHour -- but he is their bitch.
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