Somebody shoot me. Ralph Nader's making sense on Wolfie...

[Dawggie]

But he's doing it by quoting John Edwards.

(re: corporated dems for corporate R's).

But, Ralph... please stay the fuck out this time. Please?

[NC_Nurse]

1. He would have if Edwards had gotten the nom.

I hope he does anyway. But that's what he said originally.

[Bonobo]

2. He was anti-corporate when Edwards was looking up girls' skirts in Junior High.

[malaise]

9. Bingo n/t

[wtmusic]

3. Ralph makes a lot of sense

and he's welcome to the fray in my book.

Ralph never spoiled anyone's bid. He just has a tendency to expose influence peddling and the lack of candidates' will to confront it.

[LoZoccolo]

8. "Ralph never spoiled anyone's bid."

By your definitions, has anyone ever spoiled anyone else's bid?

[stimbox]

10. Dooga, dooga, dooga? n/t

[BeatleBoot]

13. 513 votes in Fla

The world could have been such a better place if Ralph:puke:Nader hadn't run AGAINST Al Gore.

[wtmusic]

18. The GOP spoiled Gore's bid by illegal means

but as far as competing candiates? Nope. The more the merrier.

[originalpckelly]

4. Sy Hersh is on now!

[Dawggie]

5. I do like Sy.

Great questions he's presenting.

[originalpckelly]

7. This is interesting.

It's pretty weird that Israel bombed Syria out of nowhere with no explanation.

[NightWatcher]

6. A vote for Nader is a vote for the republican

this man is an ego maniac who only comes along to make himself feel important by pissing in the pool.

He states the obvious "corporations are bad"- well duh, this does not make him enlightened. He needs to think how his actions hurt what he claims to care about. he may have given the 2000 election to Bush.....how did that help what he claims to care about.

[man4allcats]

20. Some might say a vote for any one of the big four is a vote

for the Republican or at least for the corporate shill. This from Dave Lindorff is informative if also depressing:

"With the presidential race now effectively pared down to four candidates, thanks to the departure of John Edwards and the imminent departure of Rudy Giuliani, we're left with a really "B-grade" contest: a bomber (John McCain), a bummer (Hillary Clinton), a betrayer (Mitt Romney) and Obama (that's Barack with a B).

snip...

In the choice between a bomber, a bummer, a betrayer and Obama, it hardly matters who comes out on top. My guess is whoever wins, we get more military spending, more war, fewer jobs and fewer rights."

More here

[Tesha]

30. No, a vote for Nader is half a vote for a Republican and half a vote for a Democrat.

But facts never seem to get in the way of a good rant
here at DU.

Tesha

[LizW]

11. Ralph makes sense often.

It would be wonderful if he would make all that sense while supporting the Democratic nominee.

[Dawggie]

12. Bingo!

:toast:

[CanSocDem]

14. Even if it makes no sense....???? (eom)

[BeatleBoot]

15. That doesn't feed his need

[Inspired]

17. I won't support Nader but fuck......

he saved millions of lives by exposing the automobile industry. What candidate has done more than that???

He is a national treasure...in spite of 2000.

[BeatleBoot]

28. I agree

I think he would make a great pick as head of the EPA or NHTSA.

Just as Edwards (my candidate for prez) would make a great choice for VP or AG.

[blondeatlast]

23. Or ply his sense into a third party candidate with some charm, wit, and doesn't

rely on playing the victim every four years.

The anti-corporatists desperately need a new hero. RN is not it.

[Stardust]

16. LOL! I was fooled, too, when listening to a podcast of a Nader interview with

Amy Goodman. There was no introduction so I listened to the whole thing thinking it *sounded* like Nader, but how could it be when I agreed with most of what he was saying! I actually listened to it twice because it was quite interesting. That said, I still wouldn't vote for the guy.

[defendandprotect]

33. Maybe you should question MORE of what you've been told about Nader . . . ??

And actually understand that most of what we know about politics and corporate control of/buying of government is information which Nader brought forth ---

And even more --- he organized his own PLATFORM when he ran as a Green --- AMAZING!!!
Wish I still had a link for it ---

We should be so lucky to have a country run according to Nader's platform --- !!!

[LWolf]

19. He might have,

if DK or Edwards were still in and viable.

He's made a lot of sense most of his life, although I've never cast a vote for him. Perhaps if Democrats wanted to avoid splitting the vote to someone like Nader, they ought to try offering a candidate that would attract the votes of the left wing of the party, independents, and 3rd parties.

[bread_and_roses]

21. What a novel idea!

however, instead of doing so the Ds would evidently rather rail against the small d democratic process than look to their own failures - not to mention actually addressing the theft of two elections.

[LWolf]

22. Sadly, that's too true. n/t

[Zodiak]

25. That kind of willful ignorance is displayed all over DU

It amazes me that after all of this time and learning so much about REAL politics, people on DU would treat the Democratic party as a football team, as if uncritical support will do anything more than allow them to be manipulated.

[Zodiak]

24. and let's not forget

that half of the country that is too disgusted with politics to vote...or get informed.

[LWolf]

29. I'm informed,

but I'm too disgusted to cast anything but a protest vote in the primary and in the GE.

[earth mom]

26. So where are all those dems that refuse to support Obama & Hillary gonna go?

How many of us have said point blank that we won't vote for either Hillary or Obama?

How many more millions who refuse to sell out to the corporatocracy will do the same?

Unless Edward comes back or Gore decides to run as an independent, then face it folks, McCain is a DONE deal.

[Zodiak]

27. I am that way about Hillary

If she gets the nomination, count me out. I will not affix my seal of approval on the DLC solidifying that much power in the party. Progressives truly will have nowhere to go.

I can vote for Obama, mostly because I think he is malleable enough to be lobbied and his inclusiveness would mean that he may be willing to let progressives to the negotiating table.

The DLC hates progressives...if they get in, they will bring the Republicans to the table and call their corporate work "bipartisan".

And you are right....by nominating a candidate that is clearly corporate, the Democratic party has shot themselves in the foot....again. And what's worse is it was the media who was pushing these candidates in the first place...we should know better than to buy their frames. Even DUers cannot see past the cult of personality narrative that the media serves them. I see precious little discussion about issues here.

[earth mom]

31. It's scary watching everyone jump in like lemmings or sheeple, isn't it?

I can't help but feel like people are getting the government they deserve if they can't educate themselves to see beyond what they are being sold by the corporate media.

Though you would think people would know better at this point after being lied to nonstop for SEVEN YEARS by Faux news, CNN and MSNBC etc. :argh:

[defendandprotect]

32. I think you're a little mistaken about who is quoting who --- ???

-- or is that whom?

Amazing that some people just don't understand that pretty much all we know about our politics
and most of what we discuss here is information brought forward by Ralph Nader ---

Edwards hasn't said anything that Nader hasn't said before ---

In fact, if I could find it, I'd quote some of the positions/issues from Nader's Green Party platform --- he had his own platform -- and it was astonishing!! We should be so lucky!!!

Dealt with EVERYTHING ---

I remember, it was well over 80 pages cause I copied and then lost about 57 of them!!!

Additionally, some election battles which are constantly ignored by the Democratic party are
being fought by Nader ---