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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:20 PM
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Now that the lie du jour is that we have to vote for the next corporate candidate because of the
Supreme Court probable nominations, let's look at it a little closer;

The Court
Chief Justice of the United States
JOHN G. ROBERTS, JR.

Associate Justices
JOHN PAUL STEVENS
ANTONIN SCALIA
ANTHONY M. KENNEDY
DAVID H. SOUTER
CLARENCE THOMAS
RUTH BADER GINSBURG
STEPHEN G. BREYER
SAMUEL A. ALITO, JR.


By my count there are 7 of 9 that are supporters of fascism or lean that way;
Roberts
Scalia
Souter
Kennedy (leaner)
Thomas
Alito
Stevens (arguably a leaner)

That leaves Breyer and Ginsberg.

Breyer is almost 70 but will likely stay on the court through the next term, Ginsgerg OTOH, is almost 75 and has cancer.

In the next 4 years it is likely that Ginsberg, and Stevens will retire or die. Forgetting for the moment that neither Clinton nor Obama is liberal, the best that can be hoped for would be a 6 - 3 fascist majority. IOW, the Supreme Court is a repeat of the 1830s and will likely destroy what is left of American Liberty.

Discuss...

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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:24 PM
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1. I always thought that the answer to this court was to recount the votes in ohio,
decaler that election fraudulent, install Kerry and remove all of Bush's appointees since he wasn't legally President.

But they have destroyed the ballots, so...
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:33 PM
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2. The Supreme Court is already -- NOW-- open for "business"
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 03:38 PM by antigop
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_28/b4042040.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily


With controversial rulings on abortion and campaign finance, the current U.S. Supreme Court has waded into some of the most explosive issues in American politics. Under the leadership of new Chief Justice John G. Roberts, the high court appears to be on the verge of rewriting vast tracts of settled Constitutional law. But there's another important emerging feature of the Roberts Court that has not drawn nearly as much attention: its sympathy to business.


<edit to add> And I do not see that changing, regardless of who wins the election.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:47 PM
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14. Exactly, so what's so important about the nominations now? Locking the barn door
after the horses have been stolen...



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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:58 PM
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3. Kick to see if anybody knows or cares. n/t
:kick:


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:59 PM
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4. I care, but I expect this country to go for full fascism before the empire
dies and the country dissolves.

Way too many cultural differences across this land
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:09 PM
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6. I agree, but think it is ubiquitous ignorance that is the difference.
Ms. Greyhound says I made a mistake by simply referencing the Supreme Courts of the 1830s, since hardly anybody has a clue what they did. I just thought that the explanation and notations would make such a long post that nobody would read it.



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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:06 PM
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5. If the destruction of American Liberty is a given
then it's a waste of time to post at a political website.

Getting a majority on the court will happen one judge at a time. Having a 6-3 split in 2012 will get us closer to where we need to be than an 8-1 split.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:39 PM
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8. Do you think that the next President will serve more than 1 term?
Look at the ages of the current members, the next 4 most likely to retire include the last liberal and 2 are the last Republik appointed justices that make decisions based on law and precedent, not exclusively on political alignment. This court will be around for the next 20 years.

One at a time is the desperate mantra of the "go team" party hacks that hope nobody will notice that we are swirling down the toilet at an ever increasing rate.



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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:16 PM
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7. We need to vote with Oprah and the Kennedy's. "They" have their fingers on Pulse of America.
and this is what it is.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:40 PM
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9. What? The SCOTUS nominations? n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:34 PM
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10. They will keep us safe....because they know that we need to vote to
keep more Thomas, Scolia's and Roberts off the court. It's all that matters. Anybody but Bush/Clones.

:shrug:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:14 PM
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12. Did you read the OP? Do you know that every single obscenity that this country has perpetrated
and endured was based on the foundations built by the decisions those courts made?

From proportional representation to separate but equal to corporation's legal entity status, eminent domain and all of the rest, all have their roots in those courts. The damage is done, the Democrats rolled over and fucked us all in the ass four years ago. If you're under 40, you and your children, grand children, and great grand children will be left to deal with the nightmare that's coming.



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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:45 PM
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11. We "could" add more supremes ..There's no law that says there can only be 9
and actually, there should be 15 or even 18..AND they should not be allowed to serve for LIFE..

Supremes should have a LOWEST age limit of 60 and an upper age limit of 75..

That puts a maximum of 15 year's of service.

It would also mean that, by age 60, they would certainly have a body-of-work that would be easy to scrutinze, and by then they would also have had a full career, raised all their kids, and could serve with few impediments..

Supremes are always complaining about how underpaid they are..well if there were more of them, they would not have to work so hard..

and no pension after service..

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:21 PM
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13. True. FDR was the last President that used that threat to whip the Court into shape.
But which of the candidates would even dream of doing it? From what I've seen, neither Clinton nor Obama has the slightest inclination to change the status quo.



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