They'll have to fucking shoot me first.

[Redstone]

The FBI wants my palm prints, a scan of my irises, and pictures of my scars?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/04/fbi.biometrics/index.html

Good luck, boys. Better bring a cannon.

Redstone

[Subdivisions]

1. I'm sick of this shit...

They'll get that stuff from my dead body.

[liberal N proud]

2. Your paper sir

swhats do you means, you don't have your paperz?
You can't pass whiz out your paperz.
Put ziss traitor in zee jail.

:sarcasm:

[Mz Pip]

3. Your tax dollars at work.

This looks like it would be a hugely expensive undertaking. How do the "tax cut tax cut tax cut" people plan to pay for such a program?

Just because they can do something doesn't mean they should.

But if they can do something it usually ends up happening eventually.

Brave new world here we come. Sigh. :scared:

Mz Pip

[kestrel91316]

43. They will pay for it by de-funding Social Security and Medicare.

And FDA and USDA safety programs.

[ixion]

4. yeah, it's a bunch of crap... land of the free and the brave, my ass

I will not live in such a place.

[Irreverend IX]

78. It's interesting how many people speak against this Big Brother crap...

But in the next breath call for bans and confiscation of all civilian firearms. And the rationales for it are the same as every other kind of police state thuggery: seizing guns will stop Terraists and Criminals and keep The Children safe. Personally, I would rather see a hundred terrorist pedophiles cross the border and commit shooting sprees than allow the creation of a police state. It's a lot easier to fight or escape a terrorist pedophile than it is to go up against the Thought Police.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. My employer asked us for blood and urine

The prize was reduced health insurance premiums. Either give them body fluids or pay $10 a month for health insurance that has been free.
It was supposedly a wellness check. :crazy:

I am paying the $10 a month.

[ixion]

7. wellness check.... yeaahhh riiiight

:eyes:

[Warpy]

30. It probably is a wellness check

but expect a drug screen to be part of the urine test.

I'd resist because my disease shows up on both a blood cell test and on a chemistry test as abnormal values that say something's not quite right and I'm not as healthy as I look.

[sarcasmo]

10. Good for you, I would have done the same thing.

[Redstone]

13. Good for you. Freedom is well worth then bucks a month, isn't it?

PS: How many people where you work caved into giving up their privacy to save a lousy ten bucks a month? I'll bet you are in the minority.

But at least YOU stood up for yourself.

Redstone

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Oh the vast majority were falling all over each other to give the body fluids

I work for a school district and they scheduled these "wellness checks" in a high school gym. As if giving body fluids wasn't offensive enough, you got to go to a gym and do it along with all the other willing donors!!

Another alternative was to have your doctor send a letter certifying that you are in good health. But most people went to the gym for the wellness check. The custodian at my school called to schedule his appointment and they said "Ok, be here at 11:37 am". So he said that sounded too much like some kind of military drill and he wasn't going. So he is paying the $10 too. But at my school, we are the only two who refused to go along with it.

Teachers almost always cave to authoritarian shit.

[Warpy]

31. A free hemogram and CMP are a good deal for most folks

who have lab copays, ordinarily.

It's always a good thing to keep your eyes on possible and common problems like anemia, electrolyte deficiencies, and less common ones like liver and kidney problems that will need to be followed up.

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. Sure but no reason to share the results with your employer

Sheesh.

[FtWayneBlue]

40. We must preserve the integrity

of our precious bodily fluids.

(Dr Strangelove?)


Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[proud2BlibKansan]

56. Yes I was laughing about that at the time!

Hey Blue!! :hi:

[jgraz]

59. I'd've happily given them some urine

Perhaps not in the exact spot they wanted it...

[SeattleGirl]

6. I'm not going quietly into that bad night, I'll tell you.

They can fuck themselves sideways with a pick ax for all I care. Palm prints and iris scans are bad enough, but now they want naked pictures of me so they can see my scars? Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Ain't gonna do it.

[Uben]

12. Are the pictures off for everyone?

I won't look at the scars..........promise!

[SeattleGirl]

21. Yep, they are.

Sorry......:)

[dysfunctional press]

69. they aren't collecting them from private citizens...

but rather from people who have been arrested and had mug shots/fingerprints. they're just adding another layer to the booking process. until/unless you get arrested & processed, you won't have to face it.

[DaveJ]

8. All it takes is an arrest

Even if one is arrested on a misdemeanor or a false allegation, they already take fingerprints and all the information they want from and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

[Cant trust em]

9. Oh my god. What will they come up with next? n/t

[redqueen]

11. Relax... it's for your own good!

Why not just trust them... they only want what's best for the citizens of this great country.

:grouphug:

[Redstone]

17. Yup. And, of course, "if you don't have anything to HIDE, why worry?"

And you're right; they're just protectin' us from them turrists.

But you know, **you and I** have to start worrying right now, don't we? After all, we both have "red" in our names, so they'll be REAL interested in us...commies are still a menace, don't you know.

Redstone

[DaveJ]

27. This is to prevent crime...

Such as, the crime of an 'illegal' trying to get a job to support one's family.
Or, the crime of trying to get healthcare.
Or, the crime of trying to buy a home.
Or, the crime of trying to get an education.
Or, the crime of wanting to travel from one place to another.

We are such vile filthy criminals for wanting such luxuries. Only the most privileged can expect to have a fraction of these, otherwise you are a criminal.

I wonder what other crimes we are committing without even knowing it, crimes that are yet to be invented.

[onethatcares]

14. "so we can have good jobs"??????????????

what the flying fuck?

[Redstone]

24. Well, yeah, because then everyone will be working for Vaterland Security.

Redstone

[Flying Dream Blues]

15. Scary stuff. Very Orwellian that they say it actually ENHANCES your

privacy because it keeps people from stealing your identity. The things we've feared are here, and I don't see a lot of public outcry against the whole surveillance society movement. Today I was at a stop-light with a camera looking right at me and realized I wasn't wearing my seatbelt (I usually do) and wondered how long before they would just send me a ticket in the mail like they do if you run a light (which I don't).

[angrycarpenter]

16. they say criminals only

Depends on your definition of criminal. This is going to happen and there is nothing anyone can do about it. On the bright side maybe it will cut down on some of the false convictions. But I will not be first in line to submit.

[Gormy Cuss]

39. No, far more than just criminals

It's for the Pre-Crime division too:

" You don't have to be a criminal or a terrorist to be checked against the database. More than 55 percent of the checks the FBI runs involve criminal background checks for people applying for sensitive jobs in government or jobs working with vulnerable people such as children and the elderly, according to the FBI.

The FBI says it hasn't been saving the fingerprints for those checks, but that may change. The FBI plans a so-called "rap-back" service in which an employer could ask the FBI to keep the prints for an employee on file and let the employer know if the person ever has a brush with the law. The FBI says it will first have to clear hurdles with state privacy laws, and people would have to sign waivers allowing their information to be kept."

[angrycarpenter]

46. They have always been intrusive on government jobs

For really sensitive jobs they talk to people you went to elementary school with.

[Gormy Cuss]

52. Yes, but this extends it outside of that limited range.

The stated extension is for persons working with vulnerable populations (like children) but unless the law stipulates clear limits, there's nothing to prevent a creeping expansion to anyone whose biometric data is submitted for a background check, and there is precious little now in the laws in most states to limit the collection of biometrics for employment purposes, even if the job is shoveling sand.

[annabanana]

79. yeah.. really sensititve, like my son's part-time job while he was

still in high school. . Yup.. a "full field investigation"

[angrycarpenter]

83. I never said it was right

But that is the bullshit you run into trying to work for the machine. By now everyone knows that to work for uncle sam you have to give up some of your freedom and especially some of your privacy. That is why they would have to draft me and drag me there in chains before I would work for them. They are not reasonable or realistic when it comes to security.

[DaveJ]

18. Notice how it's the "FBI" who wants it

As though no politicians are involved, no public discourse is relevent on the matter.

How about asking the people what we think about this and doing what WE want? We are paying for it.

[alfredo]

19. What's the motto of New Hampshire?

[Redstone]

20. Ah, but they don't mean it anymore. Part of their definition of "living free" is telling you

that you can't smoke in a bar. The sissies have taken over New Hampshire, too.

Redstone

[alfredo]

38. The "sissies" are the insurance companies and local health departments.

Too often they are behind the push. Our town banned smoking because they felt they would be more even handed than the Health Department. Our health department was ready to start shutting down businesses. The change went OK, businesses seem to like it, especially restaurants. They are now seeing more family business.

I stopped going to restaurants because the smoke stopped me up. Smell is a big component to taste, so why pay money to eat what you can't really taste. Why pay money to sit there miserable. eyes burning, nose stopped up and chest constricting? Why pay money to go to a place and then have to shower and wash your clothes to remove the stench?

Why do I have to suffer because of someone else's drug addiction? If you can't sit through a meal without having to have a fix, then it is your problem, not the problem of your victims who have to breathe your poison? Fucking drug addicts don't deserve to have the right to poison those around them. I'd rather they do heroin. At least when they need a fix, they don't subject their drug on those near them.

I know a lot of addicts will vigorously defend their drug. I've heard it all from the junkies in Detroit. Their rationale is no different than the smoker's rationale. I've even talked with ex junkies that said kicking tobacco was harder than heroin. Remember, the "pleasure" you feel from smoking is merely the relieving withdrawal symptoms.

Grow a fucking spine. Stop feeding the pushers. They know their drug will probably kill you, and they know how to keep you addicted. They don't give a fuck about you. All they want is your money.

Your money gets funneled into Mitch McConnell's campaign coffers.

I was a three pack a day addict. I kicked cold turkey. I'm not a very disciplined person, but I did it. That was 1973. I haven't smoked since.

[sellitman]

61. Bravo!

A great reply!

I notice the addict never replied to your thoughful and rightous post. Typical smoker.

[alfredo]

87. I was there. It's hard. Your whole life is controlled by that need.

You don't do what it wants, it makes you very uncomfortable until you get a fix.

Smokers will get very defensive, and will continue being defensive until they get control, get clean. It's easy to fall back into the habit, but having it legal makes staying clean much harder. You got to keep trying until you succeed.

I just had to go off. It hurts to see people sacrifice their health and the health of those near them for a drug like tobacco. I've tried just about every substance, and tobacco is the only thing that got me addicted. I started at ten, back when I worked the tobacco fields. I saw enough of that industry to know better. If they knew how much feces and urine is in the tobacco, they wouldn't let it close their mouth. Now that coyotes have moved into our area, they have added their own special gifts to the world of tobacco.

[tabasco]

22. I'm happy I'm getting old.

I would hate to see the final slide to totalitarianism in the USA.

[road2000]

23. Identity Theft?

"It allows you to project your identity as being you," said Hornak. "And it allows people to avoid identity theft, things of that nature."

How many cases of identity theft have been prevented by, say, fingerprinting? Identity theft involves databases of credit card, SS, bank account numbers, right?

[Redstone]

25. No duh, as the kids say. But hey, this is Fart, Barf & Itch we're talking about

right here. They don't have a habit of making sense.

Redstone

[VP505]

26. Let me guess

who will get the contract.

The bureau is expected to announce in coming days the awarding of a $1 billion, 10-year contract

[pdxmom]

28. Do you think that now, the sheep that have allowed this administration to

steal everything that the Constitution gave us will wake up?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

32. A wise man once said: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Truer words were never spoken. Fear of the possibility of terror, and the manipulation of said fear, is leading the US down a horrifying path.

[fascisthunter]

33. Your Totalitarian Government Brought to you by .....!

[Dawggie]

34. Sorry... Will they have to fuck you or shoot you.

Not quite clear on that. :evilgrin:

[Redstone]

45. They'd have to do the second before I'd let them do the first.

Redston

[Dawggie]

48. Either way...

It's not a pretty picture. :)

[lpbk2713]

35. After this happens that means chip implants are just around the corner.

As far as I'm concerned they can take all their

chips and shove them up their collective asses.

[rosesaylavee]

36. Good news is that this would be such

a HUGE bureaucratic behemoth that it would not be practical. How will they manage 300 million pages of information? Silly waste of our money.

[Gormy Cuss]

37. I'm with xultar on this issue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3168993&mesg_id=3168995

[Redstone]

47. What she said! She doesn't take any nonsense from anyone, does she?

Redstone

[Gormy Cuss]

53. No, and neither do we.

:hi:

[Stinky The Clown]

42. Heh .... I just LOVE this paragraph .......

"Kimberly Del Greco, the FBI's Biometric Services section chief, said adding to the database is "important to protect the borders to keep the terrorists out, protect our citizens, our neighbors, our children so they can have good jobs, and have a safe country to live in.""

What in the living fuck does this have to do with jobs?????

Ms. Del Greco needs to be fired.

[Redstone]

49. "Ms. Del Greco needs to be fired," you say. She also needs to have her head examined.

Redstone

[wolfgangmo]

73. Examined?

Examined with 2 wires and a lot of juice.

[TahitiNut]

51. "to protect the borders to keep the terrorists out"???

Ms. Del Greco is an imbecile ... assuming she's speaking to imbeciles. NOT ONE of the 9/11 terrorists crossed our borders illegally. Not one. Zip. Zero. Nada. Nor did any of those implicated in the FIRST WTC bombing!

Fucking fascist basturds! :grr:

[warren pease]

62. But it's a new and improved biometric database...

Sure, it keeps terrorists out (or in, depending on where you think they actually live). And given the shitty state of our public education, something's got to help our kids get good jobs and if it takes a little bleeding and pissing, I'm all for it. Beats hell out of paying taxes to fund schools and stuff.

But that's not all. It also kills that ugly moss/lichen crap that grows all over the outside of your house this time of year; it's effective in slowing down male pattern baldness; dumped into the gas tank, it fixes fuel injector problems in the Porsche 911 S (wow... that 911 stuff again. Eerie.); it fights the common cold; and it even prevents mommas from letting their babies grow up to be cowboys.

That's one hell of a database they got there, but leave it to the fibbies to get the most bang for the buck. And all you gotta do is give them a little piss and blood? Bleed all over 'em, I say. And piss on 'em, too, while you're at it. It's the least you can do for your country.

Man, you just don't appreciate what a great place America is. Be grateful you're not in some pinko rat bastard socialist hellhole like France or Canada.


wp

[Redstone]

67. Best reply yet. Hey, you sound like Tom Waits in "Step Right Up:"

...That's right, it filets, it chops
It dices, slices, never stops
lasts a lifetime, mows your lawn
And it mows your lawn
and it picks up the kids from school
It gets rid of unwanted facial hair
it gets rid of embarrassing age spots
It delivers a pizza
and it lengthens, and it strengthens
And it finds that slipper that's been at large
under the chaise longe for several weeks
And it plays a mean Rhythm Master
It makes excuses for unwanted lipstick on your collar...

Redstone

[Dukkha]

44. reminds me of when Native American women were forcibly sterilized in the 70's

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/9118/mike.html

They always claim it's for your own good when you're coerced into conceding your civil liberties

[lpbk2713]

50. *I'm from the gummint and I'm here to help you.*

If anyone ever says that to you run the

other way just as fast as you can.

[wolfgangmo]

74. Thank you ...

... Mr. RayGun.



Next up ... parrots.

[Deja Q]

54. As long as all the data privacy acts don't fuck up bureaucracy, I'm all for it.

So many people have been hurt by, for example, HIPAA. Hurt in ways that have increased processing times and, in some cases, disallowed people from broken marriages to see their children. (divorce is never a good thing, but I don't recall reading where HIPAA was meant as a deterrent for divorce!)

[Truth2Tell]

86. You are joking.

Right? Tell me you are joking.

[stevedeshazer]

55. This sort of thing has certainly been done before

http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

[Lorien]

57. And they are awarding a $1+ billion contract to a private company to

do it. Gee, I wonder who will get that one?

[devilgrrl]

58. Come now. If you're not doing anything wrong, you need not worry. What about employee theft?

It's costing the corporations.

Why don't you want America to be safe?

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[Redstone]

60. I think you're on to something there. Think of all those pencils that "walk home"

from the office. That WOULD help fix tht dreadful problem; if you passed through the office door and the RFID chip in the pencil said to the RFID reader "Help me, help me, I'm being removed illegaly," the door frame could automatically fire off a Taser at the stinkin' criminal!

You, young lady, could have a VERY bright future with a Government agency, if you'd just keep the sarcasm lower.

Redstone

[Sancho]

63. They already have everything...you just don't know it...

:shrug:

[Echo In Light]

64. "to better identify criminals and terrorists." Who actually buys this shit?

[The Straight Story]

65. The late great planet earth

Hal Lindsay was onto something back in the day :)

[Rex]

66. They don't need a cannon. They can sneak up and use a device

to make you fall to your knees - goes through walls.

[Djinn]

68. they've already got mine

Actually not the scar pics but they have prints and an iris scan.

See what being an ally gets you? We backed the Iraq war from the start and we STILL get treated like dodgy crims at US immigration!

[IsItJustMe]

70. They are already doing boimetric face recognition scans when you leave the country on cruise ships.

[Fire Walk With Me]

71. But the nice man on TV said that Bin Laden will come to my house and KILL ME if I don't give them

complete control over every aspect of my life. Tell me what to do!

[Disturbed]

72. After this it will be DNA sample.

It will be for America's protection.

[Fire Walk With Me]

75. Isn't it nice how frightened people never equate "gaining safety" to the loss of freedom?

[yewberry]

76. Transport Workers' ID Card (TWIC) is already in place.

Any transport worker with access to secure port areas or those with a Merchant Mariner's Document are now required (by Sept 08) to obtain a TWIC. Tamper-resistant, containing biometric info and RFID chips...make checks payable to Lockheed-Martin.

[FirstLight]

77. If you are GOOD you don't have anything to worry about...

Are you f(&**)(ing kidding me?

I was arrested once, right in front of my house, for driving an unregistered vehicle, to get away from my abusive husband...
he stood in the driveway and laughed I have NEVER been arrested for anything before that
I was booked, and bailed out hours later by my folks

but now I am in the system
so now what?
they will come looking for ME?

ya, taking to the forest like Robin Hood has definately gained some merit today!
eeeek!

edit for typos

[Redstone]

80. Hey, it's OK. You can say "Are you fucking kidding me?" here; no need to euphemize.

Especially not on my threads. My threads are a cuss-enabled zone.

Redstone

[Jed Dilligan]

81. Here's my compromise

They can have a plaster cast of my dick to fuck themselves with.

[Political Heretic]

85. lol! Awesome.

[flvegan]

82. And me second, sir.

Not gonna happen.

[Ilsa]

84. Yeah, our periods are soon going to be a matter of national security. nt

[Kat45]

88. I'm happy that I don't have my fingerprints on record.

Never been fingerprinted; don't want to be. I keep hoping I can continue to not be on record in that way. And now they want this other shit? WTF!