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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:22 PM
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a little reminder-what is a war crime?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1420133.stm
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Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention defines war crimes as: "Wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including... wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile power, or wilfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial, ...taking of hostages and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly."

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The tribunal defines crime against humanity as crimes committed in armed conflict but directed against a civilian population. Again a list of examples is given in article 5:

Murder
Extermination
Enslavement
Deportation
Imprisonment
Torture
Rape
Persecutions on political, racial and religious grounds.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:34 PM
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1. a few more examples of what has been done in OUR name
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:43 PM
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2. read some of this-it explains how our troops are being brainwashed and manipulated
Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 10:43 PM by w8liftinglady
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 06:35 AM
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5. I included this because I feel they are victims,too.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 11:35 PM
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3. Nuremberg and Downing Street Minutes II:
It was revealed in 5 pages of minutes written by David Manning, Mr. Blair's chief foreign policy adviser at the time, released from Britain and reviewed in the NYT March 26, 2006, that on January 31, 2003 President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair, with top aides and advisers, met in the Oval Office to discuss their determination to invade Iraq. It is a summary of the discussions of Bush, Blair and their top aides in a private meeting to discuss their determination to attack Iraq. Attending for the US were: Condoleezza Rice, at the time National Security adviser, Andrew Card, White House chief of staff and Dan Fried, senior aide to Ms. Rice. Those in attendance from Britain were Jonathan Powell, Blair's chief of staff, Matthew Rycroft, foreign policy aide, and David Manning. And of course, Bush and Blair were there.

They discussed the fact that they knew Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction and it was unlikely that any would ever be found.

Bush discussed trying to provoke Saddam by painting U2 reconnaissance planes in UN colors with fighter cover and flying them over Iraq in hopes that Hussein would fire on them. He briefly discussed the possible assassination of Saddam Hussein.

Bush had already set a potential date for the beginning of the invasion and bombing of Iraq as March 10, 2003 by the time of the meeting.

They discussed trying to get the UN to issue a second resolution, stronger than the first, which they could use to convince the world there was an immediate need to take action against Iraq. They never received it, but the president stated repeatedly that he did not believe he needed the second resolution to justify an invasion. He was determined to attack Iraq no matter what the outcome of the UN weapon inspections, which is now obvious.

When these minutes are combined with the earlier Downing Street Minutes of July 2003, which stated that "intelligence and facts were being fixed around policy" to justify a pre-emptive attack on Iraq, you have a clear cut case of * and British Prime Minister Blair, along with their top aides and advisers, conspiring to use their positions of power to commit the crime of a pre-emptive war of aggression based on what has been previously established as precedent in the:

Nuremberg Principles


under section 2: JURISDICTION AND GENERAL PRINCIPLES, Article 6, subsections a, b and c which state:

The following acts, or any of them, are crimes coming within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal for which there shall be individual responsibility:

(a) CRIMES AGAINST PEACE: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing;

(b) WAR CRIMES: namely, violations of the laws or customs of war. Such violations shall include, but not be limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity;

(c)CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war; or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated.

Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit any of the foregoing crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any persons in execution of such plan.


The United States signed this agreement on August 8, 1945 and as far as I can find; the agreement is still valid.

This administration, in collusion with certain members of the British Parliament, chose to ignore the agreements we made with the world when we signed the Nuremberg Principles, the UN Charter and the fourth Geneva Convention. All of these historic documents were written to protect human rights world-wide and to prevent the horror's seen after Hitler rose to power in Germany and created the ensuing Holocaust.

*co shits on these as they do everything else.

Impeach, Indict and Imprison all of these war criminals!



Thanks for the reminder, w8liftinglady.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 11:52 PM
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4. Do you think...
drawing up the following map and publishing it in the Armed Forces Journal qualifies as a case of planning under Section 2(a)?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x266566
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:39 PM
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6. Is there any doubt at all anymore Jack? (a) CRIMES AGAINST PEACE:
(a) CRIMES AGAINST PEACE: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing;

Where is Instant Karma when you need it? :grr:
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:19 AM
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