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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:00 PM
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General Smedley Darlington Butler, USMC-awarded two Medals of Honor, a DU thread
Some DUers have referenced General Butler for years, most DUers haven't ever heard of this remarkable USMC General before. This thread is dedicated to him.

Spartacus Schoolnet has a good page about him.
General Smedley Darlington Butler
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAbutlerSD.htm

Add your own posts and comments about General Butler in this thread-we have need of some similar military leaders today.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:09 PM
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1. I only heard of General Butler recently on a Naomi Wolf interview with
Alex Jones.

I learned that he had the patriotism, the integrity and the courage to come forward and spill the beans of the corporate elite planning a coup here in the US in order to instill a fascist state.

A Great American.

Thanks for posting this!
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:10 PM
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2. General Butler deserves wide reknown and a BIG memorial.
He may have saved the United States from the right wing -- or at least delayed its takeover by a half century.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:12 PM
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3. I'm a big fan of his
They never taught me about his stopping of a coup when I was in Marine boot camp, but they did teach us about all the asses he kicked.

War is truly a racket. There's a reason why Bush went to war when no war was needed, it filled the pockets of military goods manufacturers.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:24 PM
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5. General Butler was a TRUE American patriot...
...and I implore everyone to educate themselves about him and the Business Plot to overthrow FDR. It took 70 years, but they achieved their goal...:grr:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:36 PM
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10. There was a post here quoting a young Marine
and how he felt like a mafia hitman. Like I said, I'm a former Marine, and was never told of that aspect of Smedley Butler. We were taught about all the ass he kicked, but never once was the coup attempt mentioned.
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Pokey Anderson Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:24 PM
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21. I wrote this about Smedley Butler.
Thanks for that link to Wikipedia's article -- lots of info in there!

I wrote this several years ago.

An Unlikely Prophet:

Teddy Roosevelt called him "the finest fighting man in the armed forces." But, General Smedley Butler saved his country AFTER he retired from the military.


by Pokey Anderson

General Smedley Butler was raised a Quaker, and became one of the finest fighting men in the history of the U.S. military. He fought during the time the U.S. was first expanding its military adventures beyond this continent -- 1890s to 1920s. He fought in Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico, China, and elsewhere.

When he retired from the Marine Corps in 1931 at age 50, he was the highest-ranking Marine Corps officer at Brigadier General and one of the most famous Americans in the world. He won two Medals of Honor; no one has ever won three.

Teddy Roosevelt called General Butler "the finest fighting man in the armed forces."


WAR IS A RACKET.
BUTLER'S SIMPLE SOLUTION TO STOP IT IN ITS TRACKS.


After his many gun battles, Butler realized his fighting was to make profits for the war industry, and spoke out. In his book "War Is A Racket," Butler said war is the worst of rackets, and is the only one "in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives."

To end war profiteering, Butler suggested that all steel makers, munitions workers, bankers etc. get the same pay as fighting soldiers.

"The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labor before the nation's manhood can be conscripted. One month before the Government can conscript the young men of the nation, it must conscript capital and industry and labor. Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our munitions makers and our shipbuilders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all the other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted -- to get $30 a month, the same wage as the lads in the trenches get.

Let the workers in these plants get the same wages -- all the workers, all presidents, all executives, all directors, all managers, all bankers -- yes, and all generals and all admirals and all officers and all politicians and all government office holders -- everyone in the nation be restricted to a total monthly income not to exceed that paid to the soldier in the trenches!"


After 30 days, said General Smedley Butler, "there will be no war. That will smash the war racket, that and nothing else."


HIS OFT-QUOTED REMARKS ON HIS MILITARY CAREER:

August 21, 1931, Butler spoke to an American Legion convention in New Britain, Connecticut.

Looking back, he reflected on his career. His remarks stunned the audience. Few papers dared report even part of the speech:

"I spent 33 years...being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism....

"I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....

"In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents..."



BROKE? TRY AN INVASION

Around 1935, Butler told an audience that Mussolini was invading Ethiopia to get oil because Italy was bankrupt. He said, "The only way out for Mussolini is to declare war on somebody. That's the regular way of dealing with such situations. If this country ever gets busted, you can look for a war in about 6 months."


THE SECRET PLOT

In a little-known story, not only did General Butler fight in wars for his country, but he saved the country from a takeover in 1934 by captains of industry (DuPont and JP Morgan interests) who complained that FDR was "too socialist" or "too communist." They bought a weapons company, Remington Arms, and attempted to persuade Butler to lead a half-a-million-man army to forcibly take the control of the nation from FDR. They said money was no object.

At the time, JP Morgan & Co. was the world's most powerful bank. During the 1920s, Morgan men had routinely represented the U.S. government at international monetary meetings. After the stock market crashed in 1929, an investigation turned up some serious chicanery:


"In May 1933, U.S. Senate Banking Committee counsel Ferdinand Pecora exposed how Morgan reserved shares at reduced prices for certain clients, giving guaranteed profits to former President Calvin Coolidge, Franklin Delano Roosevelt's sitting treasury secretary, the chairmen of the Republican and Democratic national committees, and the CEOs of General Electric, AT&T, and Standard Oil, among others. To curb these abuses, FDR signed the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act, which prohibited commercial banks from underwriting securities, and the next year signed the Securities Exchange Act, which created the Securities and Exchange Commission to police Wall Street and prevent stock manipulation. ... J.P. Morgan Jr. reportedly so loathed FDR that his grandchildren were told not to mention the president in his presence and Morgan's servants removed photos of FDR from the morning paper. " ("Rogue Whale" - full citation below)


The plot to remove FDR was begun in late 1933 and early 1934. Through an intermediary, the plotters told General Butler they wanted him to deliver an ultimatum to FDR. FDR would pretend to become sick and incapacitated from his polio, and allow a newly created cabinet officer, a "Secretary of General Affairs," to run things in his stead. The new secretary would carry out the orders of Wall Street. If Roosevelt refused, then General Butler would force him out with an army of 500,000 war veterans. Butler was chosen because he was so popular with military men. The intermediary assured Butler the cover story would work: "You know the American people will swallow that. We have got the newspapers. We will start a campaign that the President's health is failing. Everyone can tell that by looking at him, and the dumb American people will fall for it in a second…"


General Butler would do no such thing, but he played along long enough to find out who was behind the coup effort, and outed them, later testifying before Congress. The congressional committee failed to call as a witness any of the plotters behind the attempted coup, except for the plotters' front man. They whitewashed the public version of their final report, deleting the names of powerful businessmen whose reputations they sought to protect. The New York Times buried the story in a few paragraphs in back pages, and few Americans were aware of what had happened. Butler, appalled by the cover-up, went on national radio to denounce it, but with little success.


During his retirement, he fought against war and war profiteers as fiercely as he had fought "the enemy" during his time in the Marines. General Smedley Butler faced gunfire 120 times in his military career, but he saved his country after he retired from the military, when he refused to subvert its Constitution.



SOME SOURCES ON THE COUP ATTEMPT, AND SMEDLEY BUTLER

- War is a Racket, by Smedley Butler

- The Attempted Coup Against FDR, by Barbara LaMonica, Probe, from the March-April 1999 issue (Vol. 6 No. 3) online at http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr399-fdr.html

- Book: Wall Street and FDR -- Chapter 10: FDR; Man on the White Horse, by Anthony Sutton Online: Book Table of Contents http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-fdr.html
Chapter 10 http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-fdr-ch10.html

- The Plot to Seize the White House: The Shocking True Story of the Conspiracy to Overthrow FDR (new edition, 2007; old 1973 edition was out-of-print and rare)

- Maverick Marine: General Smedley D. Butler and the Contradictions of American Military History, by Hans Schmidt (Paperback) Univ Press of KY 1998 reprint

- Against the Beast: An Anti-Imperialist Reader, by John Nichols, for a historic look at America's forays into imperialism, and the efforts to block and reverse those.

- Rogue Whale: Seventy years after FDR, JP Morgan finally got its revenge against banking regulations with its Chase merger. But a new FDR is watching, by Sam Natapoff, The American Prospect, March 1, 2004 online at http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/3/natapoff-s.html

- The Plot To Overthrow FDR, produced by the History Channel http://www.historychannel.com
Approx. 50 min., $24.95, DVD, Catalog Number: AAE-73631; VHS Catalog Number AAE-42344
http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=42344&browseCategoryId=&location=&parentcatid=&subcatid=

-The Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power (Free Press, $25) - forms the basis for the movie The Corporation, which includes a segment on the attempted coup.



Pokey Anderson is a free-lance researcher. She co-hosts a national and international news and analysis radio show on KPFT (90.1 fm or www.kpft.org) - The Monitor, each Sunday from 6 pm to 7 pm Central Time.

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:22 PM
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4. At the very least, DUers ought to read "War is a Racket"
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

Thanks for starting this thread.

k&r
sw
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:26 PM
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6. Thank you for the link!
:thumbsup::hi:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:30 PM
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8. You're very welcome.
I've gotten lazy the past few years -- I used to post Gen. Smedley Butler links here much more often.

Credit really belongs to bobthedrummer for starting this thread.

sw
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:38 PM
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11. Yes, they should
Not only because it's relevant today, but also because some DUers need to recognize that not all Marines are brain-dead death machines.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:53 PM
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33. I own a paperback version
Published by, of all people, Feral House. If Smedley Butler can win over the likes of someone as unconventional as Adam Parfrey, I think he's done our nation a heap of good.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:27 PM
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7. I have to love anyone named Smedley. Saaaaa-LUTE!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:35 PM
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9. An American Hero.
:toast:
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:03 AM
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12. K&R n/t
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:26 AM
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13. "War is a Racket" should be required reading.
General Smedley Butler was a man of great integrity - we need a Smedley today although he would be "swiftboated" or silenced in some way.

You can hear his testimony in the documentary, "The Corporation".

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:52 AM
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14. Wasn't the shrub's grampa...
in on the plot to over throw our government then? :patriot:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:50 AM
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18. Yes.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:11 PM
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23. Then why, I wonder,
doesn't any main stream media ever mention that fact? :banghead:
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:25 AM
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15. k+r for a wise man.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:54 AM
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16. Here's the video on Gen. Butler:
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 02:04 AM by pnorman
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=628728631767818729

The book which this History Channel video was based on, had long been out of print, but was recently republished. Here it is at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Plot-Seize-White-House-Conspiracy/dp/1602390363/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202539693&sr=1-2

Consider ordering it. In any event, Google all the names & events that are mentioned in that video, as well as on this thread. For some here, it'll BLOW THEIR MINDS!

pnorman
On edit: I'm familiar with that Spartacus website, but I hadn't seen that EXCELLENT article on Gen. Butler until now. THANKS! Over time, I've built up a nice collection of links related to that topic. I'll most certainly add that to that list. Once again, THANKS!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:01 AM
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17. My grandparents knew him...
As a child, I heard my parents and grandparents mention the name "Smedley Butler" now and then, but I didn't know who they were talking about and never saw him. My grandfather and both of my parents served time in the USMC. My grandfather was an expert rifleman and served in WWI, then later was commander of Camp Matthews, which is where UCSD is near San Diego. He knew Smedley Butler (the Marine Corps was smaller then) and I'm sure my grandparents socialized with Butler, but I never saw or heard any explanation - I just heard the name now and then when I was a kid in the 1960s. So for me it's especially interesting to read about him now.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:55 PM
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29. Did you ever get a "read" on how they felt about him?
You know, generally.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:10 PM
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30. No... all I can remember is hearing the name being mentioned. I think he was
part of their social circle in the 1930s, but that's all.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 11:40 AM
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19. A true patriot!
Semper Fi, General Butler:patriot:
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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:08 PM
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20. We need a few more like General Smedley Darlington Butler.
:patriot:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:11 PM
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34. At least a dozen. Desperately.
Sunday :kick:
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:37 PM
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22. Should have been three Medal Of Honors
He was awarded a Marine Brevet Medal,which I have been told was awarded to officers in place of the Medal of Honor.
Apparently there was a time when the Medal of Honor was only given to enlisted ranks.
Not sure if that is true however.
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:18 PM
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24. always love to see a Smedley Butler thread! n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:04 PM
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25. HARPERS: 1934: The Plot Against America
1934: The Plot Against America
DEPARTMENT No Comment
BY Scott Horton
PUBLISHED July 28, 2007
I’m back from the land of heather and thistles, not to mention wee drams and lukewarm ale, but on my way out a friend at the BBC alerted me to this, a not-to-miss program on the BBC this morning, accessible over the next several days by internet. It’s the story of the Plot Against America. I don’t mean the Philip Roth novel, nor even the Sinclair Lewis book, It Can’t Happen Here, but rather the historical events upon which these two works of fiction were based.

In November 1934, federal investigators uncovered an amazing plot involving some two dozen senior businessmen, a good many of them Wall Street financiers, to topple the government of the United States and install a fascist dictatorship. Roth’s novel is developed from several strands of this factual account; he assumed the plot is actually carried out, whereas in fact an alert FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army of 500,000 men from unemployed veterans and who blew the whistle when he learned more of what the plot entailed. The plot was heavily funded and well developed and had strong links with fascist forces abroad. A story in the New York Times and several other newspapers reported on it, and a special Congressional committee was created to conduct an investigation. The records of this committee were scrubbed and sealed away in the National Archives, where they have only recently been made available.

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

Prescott Bush, of course, went on to service as a U.S. Senator from Connecticut, and his son, George H.W. Bush emerged from World War II as a hero.

-snip

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651



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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:05 PM
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26. BBC Audio: The Whitehouse Coup

The Whitehouse Coup
Monday 23 July 2007



The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:15 PM
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27. Just one example of the power of corporate media and the utter corruption
of our perverted system of government.


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:26 PM
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28. ''To HELL with war!''
Amen, Brother Bob. Amen.



War Is a Racket

EXCERPT...

How to Smash this Racket

To summarize: Three steps must be taken to smash the war racket.

We must take the profit out of war.

We must permit the youth of the land who would bear arms to decide whether or not there should be war.

We must limit our military forces to home defense purposes.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm



Thank you for another oustanding thread, my Friend!
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:25 PM
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31. Hey, Bob, K & R
Happy to recommend your post.

There's a guy I only know from posts at the website:

http://www.counterpunch.org

who just happens to be a more recent veteran of some of America's 'Banana Republic' military exercises.

He never made high rank, but Stan Goff has had some very interesting things to say about his own experiences, "defending America", and sort of reminds me of the General, for his willingness to speak out.

Here's the Google search page for Stan Goff + Counterpunch:

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=counterpunch+stan+goff&btnG=Google+Search

and his website, which is more of a diary:

http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/

...Just out of curiosity, ...the bobthedrummer tag. You ever beat skins for Ko Thi, or someone like them, fingers on leather, or are you more like one of those guys whacking sticks? I have to ask, because I took a few Saturday classes at Ko Thi, and I respected the drummers.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:38 PM
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32. Check your PM's.
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