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Doondoo Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:33 AM
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Documentary claims Jesus was married
A documentary produced by Oscar-winning filmmaker James Cameron claims there is proof that Jesus Christ was buried in Jerusalem with his wife and son.

Cameron and director Simcha Jacobovici argue that Jesus was not resurrected and he was married to Mary Magdalene, Time magazine reports.

Their claims are based on an archaeological find made 27 years ago, a burial cave in the outskirts of Jerusalem with 10 stone caskets, Time said.

Archaeologists during the subsequent 20 years identified the names on the caskets as Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.

Cameron is scheduled to hold a news conference in New York Monday to show three caskets -- supposedly those of Jesus, his mother and Mary Magdalene. He and Jacobovici say they have proof in the form of DNA and archaeological evidence.


http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/34109.html
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:39 AM
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1. OK, I will stick my neck out and post the first thought that came to my head
Al Capone's vault
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leomcgarrysghost Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:40 AM
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2. Sermon on the Mount
So was the Sermon on the Mount sort of a Dr. Phil kinda marriage advice thing? And if JC was the Dr. Phil of those days, who was the Oprah?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:09 AM
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4. After her having Bill O'Lielly on to talk about child abductions & not nailing him. Oprah=Judas nt
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:43 AM
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3. Not another Da Vinci Code movie..
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:29 AM
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7. Or "The Last Temptation of Christ" as a documentary. n/t
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:10 AM
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5. Yeah, I read this story earlier.
Unlikely, but this may knock christianity into the proverbial cocked hat. Of course, it seems that every third person in ancient Jerusalem and environs was named Jesus or Mary.

No doubt, this will reinforce the followers of Islam's claim that Jesus was little more than a gifted prophet.
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:18 AM
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6. I believe in Jesus and that he lived;
so far as all that is written in the bible, I don't know what to believe and that is okay for me at the moment.

But I can't help but wonder if/when Jesus returns to earth he will be jailed for a conscientous objector, or liberal freak, and will be ridiculed by a great many. So, I'm always willing to listen with an open mind to findings such as this. Having an open mind is needed to learn and find answers, IMHO.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:46 AM
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8. Sorry. There is no credible evidence that Jesus was married.
Not that it matters to me. But there just isn't anything that shows that he was. It is never mentioned in any of the Gospels - both in the canon and the ones that aren't recognized. And one would think that if he was married someone writing in those times would have mentioned it.

The Gospel of Philip mentions that he loved Mary Magdelene over all other women. But even it doesn't say he was married.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:25 AM
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12. My (limited) understanding is that it would have been unusual to NOT
have been married. Especially for a rabbi.
She clearly has some sort of special relationship with him.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:37 AM
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15. That certainly is one of the arguments I've heard.
But I would think that someone somewhere would have mentioned something that was that important. They mention his other family members - his brothers and his mother and father.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:01 AM
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20. Sorry, there is almost no evidence that Jesus "was" at all.
It's one thing to accept the teachings as they are told in the New Testament. It's another to desire spiritual and practical communion with others, a church. Both have obvious value to the believer. But why do people have a stake in the literal details of what is obviously a myth? (Myth: a story that gives meaning but can hardly be taken literally.)

Of course Cameron is going to prove nothing. And it's equally obvious that nothing is known. There were prophets and rabble-rousers aplenty in Judaea, challenging the local power, the reigning ways of life, and the Roman Empire. There was probably one named Jeshua, who may have taught something like what we read in the New Testament, and was crucified for it under the governorship of Pilate. At any rate, the texts describing his life were written 40-100 years after his execution, and the most important decision-makers involved in this story were the editors who decided which books actually made it into the Christian bible, and which did not.

Beyond that? You think he had a virgin birth and a resurrection after death? Who cares what the literal details of this fictionalized character, presented long after his death as a messiah by opportunists looking to start a new religion, may have been?
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:35 AM
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27. Oh, I think Jesus absolutely existed.
There isn't physical evidence but there is written evidence all over the place. There are lots of documents that are not part of the canon.

I just don't believe that there would be that much written at that time if he had not existed.

Certainly a lot of myth grew up around the person. Virgin birth, resurrection? Personally it doesn't matter to me.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:50 AM
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9. DNA evidence?
My grandmother told me I looked like Jesus. Maybe she was onto something. How do I get a DNA test? And if I am related does that get me the Vatican as an inheritance? I hope I don't get Anna Smith's judge for the probate hearing.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:33 AM
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14. For DNA test contact the Priory of Scion...
I'm sure they'd be glad to do it free.

:rofl:
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:05 AM
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10. Hubby opines that when they open the casket it will contain...
Elvis.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:17 AM
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11. The issues of
whether Jesus was married, and if the "resurrection" was intended as a literal fact or a psychological truth, have long been debated. Malcolm X noted in a conversation with Mike Wallace that the Dead Sea Scrolls would take Jesus off the stained-glass windows and put him in the proper context as a member of the human family. The fact that some clowns would be searching for his tomb, and looking for DNA "proof" is merely confirmation that a segment of people don't have a clue as to what the Rabbi was preaching.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:39 AM
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16. Well, the Mormons are still searching for Joseph Smith's Golden
Plates. And others are searching for the Ark. So I don't think this is so strange really.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:41 AM
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17. "Strange"
Of course it's not "strange."
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:32 AM
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26. The fluid of 'Truth' (what ever that is) has been conveyed in vessels ...
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 10:33 AM by TahitiNut
... composed of the material of fact as well as of fiction for all of recorded time. Anyone even remotely familiar with the "Power of Myth" should easily understand this. One need not believe that a fox can speak to comprehend the Truth in Aesop's fable of 'bitter grapes.'

When I wax semi-poetic, I merely observe that Truth resonates in the heart, not in the brain. It is a matter for philosophy, not engineering.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:31 AM
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13. It was a gay marriage, so it wasn't legal except in 3 states.
:shrug:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:43 AM
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18. If Jesus existed, it could be that he was perceptive enough to know that
he couldn't simultaneously be a good husband and a revolutionary minister.

Or he could have been married.

More than once for all we know.

Or he could have been gay.

In any case, the Gospels don't present a particularly 'traditional family' type of guy.

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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:46 AM
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19. DNA evidence would link the children to the father......
but what would you compare the fathers DNA to. How does DNA prove it is Jesus?
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:06 AM
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21. That's what I was wondering
Even if this is true and the historical Jesus and his family were all buried together, it would be almost impossible to prove it.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:12 AM
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22. No kidding.
They might very well find DNA in the tomb, but what would they compare it to, to prove an identity? Is there a "Jesus gene"?

Wasn't the Shroud of Turin touted as the image of Jesus for years, before it was finally shown to have originated centuries later than the purported time of his death?

This tomb was discovered almost 30 years ago, and now someone came up with a way to cash in on it? The whole thing sounds like a publicity stunt to me. I'm sure it'll be interesting to watch the gyrations that come out of it, though, from believers and non-believers alike.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:16 AM
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23. Maybe they've got hair samples...
from God's hairbrush.

Sid
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:21 AM
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24. I think you're right....
I never thought of that.:rofl:
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GreenZoneLT Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:23 AM
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25. Occam's Razor sez, Cameron is full of it.
DNA evidence, my ass. What, did he take scrapings off the fake shroud of Turin? That would show that Jesus is a blood relative of a metal statue. Or maybe he got DNA from that fraud that invented the Priory of Scion.

The archaeologists I've seen quoted about those tombs note that a: those are really common Jewish names of the time and b: Jesus' family was too poor to afford fancy tombs.

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