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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:40 PM
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Breaking the Drug Taboo: Group of Traumatized Veterans Get Experimental Ecstasy Treatment
NOTE TO THE MODS: This is not about drug policy but about treatment of PTSD with drugs, so after some thought decided this was the best place to post it. It is an article from today, Feb. 11.
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http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/76576/
An experimental study that treats PTSD veterans with the drug MDMA could make life after war a lot more livable.

"We need to be positioning ourselves now to provide the assistance that our veterans need," said House Committee on Veterans' Affairs chairman Bob Filner (D-CA) during a hearing, called "Stopping Suicides: Examining the Mental Health Challenges Facing the Department of Veterans Affairs," held in December 2007. "Not only for those brave men and women who are returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan, but also for our veterans from previous conflicts. We cannot afford to put this issue off."

Filner's choice of words is instructive, as are his sentiments: With upwards of 25 million veterans in the United States, not counting those overseas in the morally murky theater of Iraq and Afghanistan who may return home sometime after the 2008 presidential election, that's a lot of assistance and funding needed to head off what he called a "rate of veteran suicide has reached epidemic proportions," to the point that it has doubled the suicide rate of civilians. Safeguards already put into place have failed, for a variety of reasons, and given the severity of the mental and physical problems carried by returning soldiers, some daring out-of-the-box thinking is not only desperately needed, but required.

Enter the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), and its currently funded trials using 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine -- otherwise known as MDMA, or ecstasy -- to treat post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Although the U.S. Army had carried out lethal dose studies of MDMA back in the 1950s, work which was not classified until the close of the 1960s, it was only centered on animals and was mixed in with a variety of other compounds. At the closure of that research, MDMA languished in clinical obscurity until its rise as a club drug in the '80s and '90s brought it the kind of attention that dooms better drugs to Schedule I classifications -- that is, illegality -- and lesser drugs to approval by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). But MAPS founder and president Rick Doblin became aware of MDMA in 1982, and since then has been convinced of its therapeutic uses. Accordingly, his organization has coordinated and/or funded recent studies into MDMA treatment of PTSD and has its eyes set on a higher goal.

"It's not going to be a normal prescription drug like the antidepressants," promised Doblin. "It's only going to be administered under therapist supervision. There would be a chain or network of clinics where use would be limited to special training. Patients would be requited to spend the night in the facility. It's not like cannabis. Our approach is catharsis, enhancing the psychotherapeutic interchange. We want patients to integrate their trauma into their normal lives."
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:41 PM
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1. eerily reminiscent of using lsd to treat psych patients.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 01:37 AM
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24. I have heard about this since I was a kid in the 70s.
Most people did not believe it. Most people were in denial. I was just a little kid then, but the veterans keep talking about it, so I believe them.

Google "LSD veterans" or "LSD vietnam vets"
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:43 PM
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2. Uh...what good benefit is this supposed to have????????
Doesn't what goes up come down?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:46 PM
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4. You might be missing the boat, slightly.
Some Pharma will need to supply all of that MDMA.

And Halliburton will be in the pacifier biz.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:52 PM
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5. interesting
what oversite is given to a private company manufacturing drugs that are for the most part illegal? could be very easy to understate there production and get some illicet gains.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:55 PM
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7. F***ing aye, fenriswolf.
Who sets the Standards and who insures that they are maintained?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:22 AM
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13. I never even thought of that.
Am I Little Bo Peep?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:09 AM
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10. How foolish of me, thinking in terms of medical benefit instead of profit.
Will I never learn?
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:20 AM
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11. I suffer the same delusional thinking. :-)
:toast:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:22 AM
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12. Silly you...
You need to think like the enemy.

Otherwise, you will be swimming alone in your own pool of altruisticness (is that even a word?).

What in the Hell has happened to us? Where did our train jump the tracks?
Tom
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:45 AM
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19. Hard to know who will be licensed to produce a Schedule I drug
Schedule I being the "no known medical use" misnomer applied to MDMA, LSD, heroin and marijuana. All are potentially useful and two are demonstrably useful.

My guess is that the lab will be in some CIA facility, not a drug company where some of it would be likely diverted among employees.

Still, this drug is a type that would seem to work best in a group therapy situation. I can't imagine taking a touchy feely drug and being confined to a cot in a private cell. That isn't going to help any of them.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:53 AM
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16. Good lord.
If they play NIN to these guys while they are on the stuff...I just hope they don't show them the videos.

Oh, and... ;-)
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 01:28 AM
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23. Big Pharma is irritated that MDMA is still illegal.
That's what is behind this.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:44 AM
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14. Well, the logic behind PTSD is that what goes down doesn't always come back up.
I suppose the thinking is, certain ecstatic experiences could prove therapeutic enough to reverse some of the trauma. And to my understanding, there's evidence that it works.

If nothing else, any time our society takes a step towards a rational, sane approach to drugs and drug policy- instead of demonizing them outright to the tune of a $40 Billion a year idiotic "drug war" aimed primarily at pot smoking, that's a good thing.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:44 PM
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3. I'll bet Halliburton is already manufacturing pacifiers.
And Carlyle is looking to purchase the subsidiary.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:55 PM
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6. In the war on drugs. Who would have ever thought that the war would be the most dangerous part? n/t
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:56 PM
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8. Great article
this country has gone into the toilet ever since the outlawing and demonization and eventual outlawing of LSD and other psychedelics at the end of the 60s. its time for people to start to 'turn on, tune in, drop out' again! psychedelics make the world a better place. if more people were tripping they wouldn't be abusing drugs such alcohol, cocaine, prescription drugs etc. all which are far more dangerous and addicting. people are so brainwashed by the education system.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:08 AM
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9. Ummm, Ecstasy was invented as a psychriatric drug.
Y'all can start flipping out, legitimately, when they start prescribing crack and meth to combat troops. MmmKay?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:52 AM
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15. Well, that solves the problem of what to do with all the homeless vets!
Send 'em to prison on illegal drug charges, eh Dick?
More profits for the piggies!
Fuckers-
damn them all to hell.

BHN
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:25 AM
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17. The article is on to something
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 01:37 AM by nebula
in the 60s LSD was known as the 'love drug' because it was widely known to induce intense feelings of empathy for others, hence the nickname 'the love drug.' but soldiers are conditioned to hate and kill people without mercy and have a lot of problems relating to people once back in normal society, so treating them with something like LSD or MDMA could help counteract the effects of their training. in other words, psychedelics (such as lsd, mdma, magic mushrooms) could be invaluable in helping people to restore their humanity. which would be counter to the capitalist ideal of a society where people act more like robotic corporate slaves/drones than human beings and selfish consumers who are largely indifferent to the suffering of their fellow man. but you can't have the commoners actually caring about each other! that wouldn't work in an ideal corporate world utopia. hence, the psychedelic revolution had to be crushed at all costs!
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:42 AM
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18. Bullshit. Ecstasy has a SEVERE depressive "come-down" for many people.
I can see application of NATURAL hallucinogenics, BUT NEVER
the use of MDMA or other chemical synthetics.

You don't give traumatized people substances that will
further depression.

BHN
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:50 AM
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20. Have you taken it?
the come down effect is exagerated, and can be minimized with the proper dosage and steps taken for the individual. people who use the drug haphazardly or fail to educate themselves before usage will naturally experience more unwanted side effects but that will be the case for ANY drug, illegal or not.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:28 PM
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21. Research has shown that MDMA worsens depression,
by overstimulating and in some cases destroying specific chemical receptors in the brain that target mood.
I asked my doctor about it while being treated for depression. There was going to be an X party and I wasn't going to say no unless there was a realy good reason not to, and I was convinced not to. I've done plenty of drugs, but not ecstasy.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 02:42 PM
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22. Exactly...
BHN
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:58 PM
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25. what research?
:shrug:
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