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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:16 PM
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Now this is just comical - email from Harry Reid
Dear Anne,

Tomorrow, I will bring the Intelligence Authorization Conference Report to the floor of the Senate. Section 327 of the bill establishes one interrogation standard for the entire U.S. government. This would effectively end torture by requiring that the intelligence community abide by the standards articulated in the Army Field Manual.

In order to attempt to block the ban on torture, Republicans may filibuster the bill or raise a point of order, claiming the torture provision violates the rules of the Senate. If the Parliamentarian agrees, we will be forced to try and waive the point of order. Either way we need 60 votes.

Already some Republicans have signaled they will side with us - however we need more.

Take a stand against torture

Every Senator will be forced to answer a simple question: do they support torture?

Do they support torture even though they know it is morally repugnant?

Do they support torture even though they know it puts our own Soldiers, Sailors and Marines at risk?

We are a nation at war -- a war in Iraq and a war against terrorism -- but this war does not give our leaders the authority to cast aside the laws of armed conflict. We need to restore our nation's moral authority, because the most effective way to fight terrorism is to harness all of our power - military, economic, and moral. When we do, the world will follow our lead once again.

It may take years, but we can start by declaring loudly, and with one voice: America does not torture.

Take a stand against torture

If we fail to oppose an evil as obvious as torture -- and it is an evil, then as Thomas Jefferson said, I will "tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." By passing this bill we can send a clear signal to the world that America does not torture - no ifs, ands or buts.

Take a stand against torture

Thank You,

Harry Reid

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So Harry, you honestly expect us to trust you to ban torture when you caved on the FISA bill today?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:17 PM
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1. we are a nation at war.... with ourselves, and our own freedom
and, you, Harry, have made it very clear that you support the terrorists.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:18 PM
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2. take a stand against torture
and take a stand against accountability for spying on americas citizen.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:18 PM
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3. I wouldn't trust him with anything, and its time he resigned his position....
And he can take Pelosi with him as well.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:19 PM
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4. Caved? He collaborated.
He didn't have to bring that bill to the floor. Yet he did.

He's a fucking traitor.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:22 PM
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5. Harry plays the "60 vote" thing like a fiddle, doesn't he?
"Damn, if only we controlled the majority 60 votes."
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:25 PM
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6. Did you hear what he said about Jello Jay on the senate floor?
Rockefeller (because is so stinking rich) could have rested on his laurels, yet he chose to be a servant to the people.

I want Reid re-called, impeached or whatever will get him out of OUR senate.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:30 PM
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9. Puke. Just
:puke:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:55 PM
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16. yet he chose to watch his family's interests from a position of power...
You guys realize that whatever CIA "Oversight" there is now rests with Jay...

Chickens, meet John D. Fox the Fourth...
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:25 PM
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7. Torture: bad. Spying: good.
Gotcha.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:29 PM
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8. Torture is now and has always been illegal in America
It does not take any action from the Senate other than to start Legal actions against this Administration......To say other is to deny the US Constitution which states unambivalently that Treaties are the Supreme Law of the Land and the USA has signed Treaties barring Torture. It all comes down to definitions of torture and Water boarding has always been included in those definitions as torture. Always......
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:42 PM
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10. I also received that
email, what a joke, the things that directly affect us he caves on, the stuff that is already illegal he wants to take a stand against. grrrr :grr:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:44 PM
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11. Harry, how about not torturing us with stupid votes!
It's torture to see you letting all the telecoms and other hoodlums off the hook. You're killing America with this torture. Our Constitution is under torture. America is being tortured right now.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:46 PM
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12. You barely beat me to it...I got the same in my email a few minutes ago.
I thought "Is this prick serious?"

:eyes:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:48 PM
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13. Yes he is a prick
and yes I believe he is serious.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:51 PM
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14. I sent him an email in response letting him know in no uncertain terms
how much of a chickenshit appeaser he is.
With friends like that....:eyes:
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:53 PM
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15. I got it and replied:
Stop caving in to the Bush administration.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:58 PM
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17. Dear Harry, Having you as majority leader is just torture. So I'm against it.
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 06:59 PM by undeterred
Please resign now.

Thank you,

undeterred
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:37 PM
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18. Great response!!
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