HOLY CRAP! Sy Hersch says we're funding Sunni Jihadists connected to al-Qaeda...

[originalpckelly]

to trip up Hezbollah in Lebanon. These funds may have come from the missing billion in Iraq.

Just now on CNN.

[chimpymustgo]

1. I am trying to absorb this. Congress has got to investigate. Hersch saying that now.

This is serious business, he says. Holy crap.

[originalpckelly]

2. This is like fucking Iran-Contra...

and it would basically show this administration doesn't give a fuck about al-Qaeda.

[WillyT]

9. Hersch Said Negroponte Moved To State From Intelligence Director Because...

of "echoes of Iran-Contra".

Off the shelf money that is unaccounted for, and is funding jihadist Sunnis!

Said that Negroponte was too much of a stickler, to ethical for what the Pentagon wants to do!!!

Let me repeat: Negroponte was getting friction from Cheney and the Pentagon, because he was too ethical for what the Pentagon wants to do!!!

HOLY FUCK!!!

:nuke:

[originalpckelly]

11. You know something's fucked up when Death Squad Negroponte...

has ethical problems with it.

[goforit]

43. Negropointe is not ethical at all. There is a bigger reason.

[donheld]

67. I agree, There's gotta be another reason

They're trying to tell me Negroponte is ok with offing people but not this? That makes no sense.

[yurbud]

63. I got that impression of him too. I shudder to think what the line is that guy refuses to cross

[soothsayer]

16. All the iran-contra folks are alive and well in the * administration.

take a look around.

[Greeby]

66. Well, sort of

CIA Director Casey and Secretary of Defense Weinberger are dead now. And Ollie was too high-profile, so he had to settle for a job at Rupert Murdoch's Ministry of Truth

[ananda]

23. hmm

"it would basically show this administration doesn't give a fuck about al-Qaeda."

Did anyone here ever think they did???!!!

[merh]

32. Share the youtube video found at this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=16718&mesg_id=16718

with everyone you know. It proves that they didn't care 7 months before 9/11.

They are liars, thieves and murderers. Destroyers of civilizations. If not stopped, destroyers of the world.

[hootinholler]

36. Like? LIKE?

It fucking *IS* Iran-Contra! Same players, same tactics plus a few new ones since the military is able to sow confusion and we have mercenary forces reportable to whom?

-Hoot

[SpiralHawk]

47. Iran Contra ! You rang?

"That was my shining hour of republicon patriotism.
Remember who I and my republicon cronies gave Hawk Missiles
to Iran, so they could shoot up American soldiers? Wasn't that
cool. Wasn't that republicon?"

- Jolly Ollie North, Pretend Patriot, Real Republicon Traitor

[madokie]

74. Plus that they are a bunch of criminals

[KansDem]

82. ...or the troops (eom)

[MzNov]

21. I think this is the HOLY CRAP of all HOLY CRAPS

this is the big HOLY CRAP !!!

[maddezmom]

3. link to New Yorker article

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh

[Connie_Corleone]

8. Thans for the link to the article.

[Raksha]

69. Thanks for the link to the New Yorker article.

I just printed it out and it came to 13 pages, but I'm going to read all of them. As I said on another forum where I also posted the link, it's going to take a while to read, still longer to digest, and longer still to get over the shock, assuming I ever do. I was reading some of it online earlier today and almost crying as the implications sank in.

I think we've got some serious traitors in high places. Okay, I knew that already but it's even worse than I thought.

[proud patriot]

4. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

:grr: Those bastards

[chimpymustgo]

6. Jane Harmon and Duncan Hunter coming up...

This should be interesting.

[librechik]

5. Also, Negroponte TOO ETHICAL to stay w Cheney's anti-CIA putsch

that's why he went to State. Funny, I thought it was cuz he has to set up the death squads in Lebanon.

[Kagemusha]

10. More like he's had his hands dirtied enough as it is

and he's not holding the bag for this one.

That makes more sense, doesn't it?

[fooj]

55. Yes. One pardon is enough, eh?

[MzNov]

13. yeah, I wouldn't tend to buy the theory that he has ethics, or just

disputes with big dick cheyney. He could just quit the government and write a book if he is so concerned... don't buy it either.

[EFerrari]

19. Negroponte too ethical?

lol

:rofl:

[City Lights]

7. I just tuned in to see Sy Hersh signing off.

x(

I want to hear the follow-up discussion to the bombshell he dropped.

[helderheid]

12. I have little doubt. WATCH YOUR BACK, SY!

[MzNov]

15. exactly what went thru my mind watching him now. Is he safe???

[malaise]

14. I sat with my mouth open then said

calm down -no surprise here.

[goforit]

48. Saudi Arabia -OBL -SUNNIs -Bush...What's in common? All same family!!!!

[neverforget]

17. I would say I'm surprised but I'm not. Funding our enemies is SOP

as it keeps the war machine fed.

[havocmom]

18. Plame's network monitored weapons materials movement

Destroying that network was part of how Cheney would ensure lots of continued warfare and LOT$ of continued profiteering for his masters.

Sure, he was pissed at Joe, but Valerie's eyes on the real threats to security had to be put out for Cheney to really make a killing.

It was more than outing a NOC agent. It was about the money. It always is with these nation-less traitors.

Gotta make sure all parties have the funds to keep buying the weapons.

bush/cheney: turning blood to gold and billing the US taxpayer for all operating expenses.

[burythehatchet]

20. The United States of America suffered a 21st century coup

in 2000. The government has been hijacked by a rogue group of corporatists.

[kestrel91316]

29. Sadly, that's not even news to most of us.

[madokie]

75. Yep, shore did

[sellitman]

22. Is it Impeachment time yet?

PLEASE!!!!

[Roland99]

76. It was impeachment time 4 years ago.

[Clark2008]

24. Stop the Iran War!!!

War Is Not The Answer!!

[unpossibles]

25. man, I wish the people who keep doing this crap (and those who support them)

would learn a lesson or two and STOP. They don't "hate us for our freedoms" they hate us because "we" have meddled with their lives and resources and refuse to stop.

These same thugs don't give two shits about the war on terror beyond how it will make them richer and more powerful. Just like everything else in their lives.

I only wish this were as important as Britney's new do.

[Blackhatjack]

26. The missing $12 billion in cash buys a lot in the way of covert extragovernmental operations...

Congress is on the doorstep of 'discovering' there is a link, in the meantime the house is about to blow up.

Congressional leaders better get together with the 'sane' members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Pentagon, and put a stop to this.

Sure looks like the clock is ticking....

[williesgirl]

27. We've got to completely purge this Administration - not just * and Darth

They are all rotten to the core and must be dealt with as the criminals they are.

[kestrel91316]

28. This surprises you???

Shades of Iran-Contra...................

Seriously, why would this surprise ANYONE?

[originalpckelly]

30. Yeah...

I completely agree.

[youngdem]

31. This is an impeachable offense....No doubt about it

Will anyone notice?

This will no doubt stoke the embers in Lebanon, and piss off Syria, which is what it is designed to do.

Just further shows that Israel and the US are acting in ways to inflame the neighborhood to justify blowing it up and resubdividing it.

[originalpckelly]

35. Well, what they are doing is using Sunni terrorists to go after Shi'a terrorists...

but the big story is that they are giving money to Sunni terrorist groups linked to al-Qaeda.

[ftr23532]

33. Considering Bush was using now-convicted terrorist financiers in his 2000 campaign...

...this comes as a http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x257337">small surprise.

And then there's the issue with http://robertdreyfuss.com/blog/2006/01/the_neocon_brotherhood.html">the NeoCons knowing in advance that they were going to empowering the Muslim Brotherhood in Iraq...

[sakabatou]

34. This like or even bigger than Iran-Contra

[Sir Jeffrey]

37. Ok, so Sy Hersh just laid it out explicitly...

Treason is being committed by the Vice President of the US.

The VP is running an operation specifically designed to funnel money into Sunni extremist organizations, including at least 3 organizations directly linked to Al Qaeda, in an effort to undercut Iranian influence in Iraq.

Call John Negroponte and Elliot Abrams up to testify on this. Get them ON THE RECORD. Conduct the damned investigation.

[Kagemusha]

39. I'm sure in Cheney's mind this IS in the US' national interests.

I would disagree, but I'm not the vice-president with magical extra-constitutional powers.

[frogcycle]

40. maybe, just maybe

this is the "tipping point"

No nuance, no quibbling over whether it is "technically illegal", no he-said-she-said

Just flat-out aiding and abetting the enemy. Punishable by death.

Screw impeachment, meet his fucking plain with an arrest warrent.

[Lasher]

65. I just emailed Jay Rockefeller

I asked him to invite Hersh to testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee.

The neocons have set up an illegal shadow government that's like Iran/contra on steroids. This has got to be addressed.

[suegeo]

79. Elliott Abrams has a history of lying under oath.

But nobody ever let that stop him before. Onto bigger and worser crimes!

[Whoa_Nelly]

38. Sent the Hersch article to KO

Dear Mr. Olbermann,

Please take a few minutes to read The New Yorker article by Seymour Hersch, "The Redirection". Mr. Hersch, through interviews and contacts, is trying to get the larger story of American funding of Sunni Jihadists connected to al-Qaeda to disrupt Hezbollah in Lebanonon on the media radar. During a CNN interview on February 25, he indicated that these funds may have come from the missing billions in Iraq.

The article is more direct in that Hersch demonstrates not only a timeline of funding and American contacts echoing the Iran-Contra affair, but also the focus being on a partnership with the US by Israel to effect sudden changes that will have long-reaching and negative effects across the Islamist states. Noted as well in this article is Congress not being being fully informed about all the behind-the-scenes actions that will carry serious consequences on a global scale.

I would send this article to my representives, but they appear to never read anything. So, I leave it to you, Mr. Olbermann, to get the research and follow-up done regarding honest reporting of what the American public has a right to know: The Bush Administration's drum beat to Iran, and touting democracy as the subliminal message, needs to be exposed. What occurred during the Nixon and Reagan eras pales greatly when compared to, and rightly so, the much deeper, much darker secrets and dirty money dealings happening now.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh


Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXXXXX

[frogcycle]

46. good idea, and I am also sending it to the Honorable Al Gore

I feel like its the beginning of Star Wars, when the Princess Leia hologram says "Please help us Obiwan Kenobi, you're our only hope"

The Dark Side of the Force is certainly in charge; the Death Star looms.

Maybe Spielberg will go up to Gore tonight and say that!

[goforit]

41. You're shocked???...Don't you know Poppy Bush trained OBL in early eighties??

This is a friggin given!!!

AlQaeda is nothing but a US front organization to manipulate countries and change regimes for profit.

[originalpckelly]

51. Actually, the CIA funded the ISI to fund the mujahadeen...

but there is no evidence of a direct funding connection. If you think about it, it doesn't make sense, because Osama was there to provide funding.

[Adelante]

42. k&r - WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER

[NNN0LHI]

44. Osama bin Laden is back on the CIA payroll

Or he never was off it?

Don

[Rosa Luxemburg]

45. who?

[goforit]

49. Now this is reality !!! Well said NNNOLHI!!!

[frogcycle]

50. I'm no lawyer, but

i think the Patriot Act and subsequent laws and "signing statements" allow Cheney et al to be arrested, packed off to Guantanamo without trial or hearing, and held indefinitely.

All we need is a Special Prosecutor with arrest authority (hmmmm can anyone think of one?) who will act on his own recognizance within his legal authority, disregarding any order to the contrary from the Atty General

[moodforaday]

52. keep kicked pls /nt

[Disturbed]

54. Impeachment is Imperative.

It must start with the AG and move up.

[notadmblnd]

53. I suspected we were perpetrating the violence

in Iraq all along. The Nick Berg beheading has always bothered me along with suicide bombers. I've suspected that many suicide bombers are in reality kidnap victims forced into it.

[freedomfries]

56. Seymour Hersh on Wolf Blitzer today (video & transcript)

Hersh: There has been some violence. So America, my country, without telling Congress, using funds not appropriated, I don't know where, by my sources believe much of the money obviously came from Iraq where there is all kinds of piles of loose money, pools of cash that could be used for covert operations.

All of this should be investigated by Congress, by the way, and I trust it will be. In my talking to membership — members there, they are very upset that they know nothing about this. And they have great many suspicions.

We are simply in a situation where this president is really taking his notion of executive privilege to the absolute limit here, running covert operations, using money that was not authorized by Congress, supporting groups indirectly that are involved with the same people that did 9/11, and we should be arresting these people rather than looking the other way…
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/25/seymour-hersh-negroponte-iran-contra-fundsoh-my/

[faithnotgreed]

57. keeping kicked

[Lydia Leftcoast]

58. Probably where some of the missing $3.2 trillion went

Between funding groups in Lebanon and the other thread about the U.S. funding minority ethnic separatists in Iran, I have no trouble believing it.

I've often suspected that the initial Sunni-Shiite violence in Iraq was instigated by a false flag operation or two and that the region's culture of revenge has kept it going.

[Starfury]

59. K&R ... "Sunni versus Shia" = "creative destruction" writ large

[Babel_17]

60. K&R I want this story to get full exposure

This administration does not have a handle on things.

[seafan]

61. A tremendous kick! Go after AG Gonzales, impeach and remove, and move up.

And QUICKLY. Our very survival depends on our stopping this criminal enterprise operating out of our White House.

It is truly an uncontrolled malignant monster.

[yurbud]

62. LINK to story in earlier thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=286609&mesg_id=286609

[melody]

64. Sounds like Bush and Dick get the big suite at Guantanamo n/t

[Disturbed]

68. Will Congress investigat this or

shrug it off like they have everything else this criminal Regime has perpetrated?

[Roland99]

77. And will LIEberman jump ship to save his blood-for-oil buddies?

[antiimperialist]

70. The Israeli lobby in the US

is too powerful. Checks have to be put on it.

[TheBaldyMan]

71. Well duh! - Who do you think helped OBL set up Al Qaida in the first place?

most of their senior operatives and commanders received CIA training while the Mujihadin were fighting the Evil Empire in Afghanistan.

The only problem with this set up is Hizb'ullah are honest and popular. If you give them $100,000 to spend on primary health care they spend every penny on primary health care.

The repugnant creatures that the BFCE deal with make sure the cash lines their own pockets. I sense more blowback a few years down the line, think "Saddam Hussein - pt. Deux"

[BreweryYardRat]

72. Got some proof of that allegation on Hezbollah?

It's kinda hard to believe they'd spend serious dough on health care, especially since they're only a small part of the Lebanese government. Links or articles please.

[TheBaldyMan]

73. an allegation that they are honest? I'll get the same on Hamas while I'm at it

and I'll get a budget breakdown for Fatah, now there's a bunch of corrupt bastards.

You may not like the bearded weirdies but as far as social programmes go they are more like the Black Panther movement than anything else.

I know feeding schoolkids is seen as subversive in America but it is looked on as something desirable in the Middle East.

[TheBaldyMan]

81. Well you did ask ... Hizb'ullah AND Hamas provide healthcare

I apologise in advance for the crappy layout, there seems to have been a glitch with the cut & paste from the articles :shrug:

These citations did not take that long to compile, I'd encourage you to carry out your own research on this subject. I found this quick trawl through the internets most informative and thought provoking.

here's a small fraction of stuff I dredged up.

Hizbollah
from threewayfight a left wing blogger's entry
http://threewayfight.blogspot.com/2006/08/defending-my-enemys-enemy.html">defending my enemies' enemy taking the part of devil's advocate to defend Hizbollah's rôle in Lebanon:

<snip>But let's be clear about something else too: The fact that Israel and the

United States want to destroy Hezbollah does not make it a positive political force. To be sure,

Hezbollah has staunchly resisted Israeli aggression for years. It runs a sizeable network of social

services and has a solid base of popular support centered in the largely poor Shi'i community but

cutting across denominational lines. Yet no matter how courageous its fighters may be, no matter how

many schools and hospitals it runs, Hezbollah is essentially a right-wing political movement. Its

guiding ideology is Khomeini-style Islamic fundamentalism. Hezbollah's political ideal, the Islamic

Republic of Iran, enforces medieval religious law, imposes brutal strictures on women and LGBT

people, persecutes religious and ethnic minorities, and has executed tens of thousands of leftists

and other political dissenters. This is not exactly a liberatory model.</snip>

The blogger examines the Lebanon issue in depth and the resulting analysis is worth further examination but I
leave that in readers' hands.

However I must interject my own thought here that perhaps the Hizbollah leadership has read Mao's
treatise on guerrilla warfare and is actively applying those parts regarding the welfare of the
peasantry. While my distaste for Maoist doctrine can not be adequately covered here, I would
recommend that they obtain a copy of Sun-Tzu's Art of War and digest that work. Maybe then they
could see the folly of applying Mao's odious corruption of the superior and far more humane work.

As one more citation for Hizb'ullah as a indispensible provider of social programmes in Lebanon, there are others but the onus lies with the curious.
An arabic blogger http://www.weeklyholiday.net/2006/280706/front.html">Weekly Holiday has this to say about Hizb'ullah on the matter of social support networks:

Unlike conventional political parties, Hezbollah (party of God) is a politico-military-religious movement created in the early 1980s to fight the Israeli occupation forces in Lebanon. The group has about 3,000 strong militia and millions of followers in Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and elsewhere in Arab streets. Its social work networks are too grass-rooted to be dispensed with.

Yes they are a terroist organisation but remember that Al Capone set up soup kitchens at a time when the US government did nothing for the unemployed workers of America. The Medeillin cartel are still missed by the poorest in Colombia. Why ? Because Carlos Escobar used to invest more in his community than the Colombian government ever did. Any money that could be spent on social programmes are diverted to the war on drugs.

Hamas
After the sweeping electoral victory in January 2006 the power balance within what passes for a
Palestinian state was set to alter significantly. However the western powers for all their fine talk of democracy were not to be thwarted so easily. As has happened many times before in the moslem
world, recent examples being Turkey and Algeria, a popularly elected government was neutered.

Effectively disenfranchising an entire nation yet again. It seems that you can have any government
you want as long as it's the one the West wants you to have.

Why was Hamas the victor in the elections? Simply put - they were not corrupt. They had built a
reputation for honesty at local government level, this bore the fruits of the 2006 PLC election.

Source: AP, 23-2-2007

SHATI REFUGEE CAMP, Gaza Strip— He has a gaggle of guards now and a silver Mercedes, but to

the people of this refugee camp, Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas is still just "Abul Abed," the

neighbor who distributes electricity from his generator during power cuts and attends their weddings

and funerals.

Haniyeh`s down-home style — he walked home through Shati`s alleys after mosque prayers Friday —

has helped to make him the most trusted Palestinian politician, outscoring his main rival, moderate

President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah, despite Hamas` strife-ridden and lackluster year in power.

<snip>

For many Palestinians, Haniyeh`s most attractive quality is his modest lifestyle. The gray-haired,

gray-bearded 45-year-old with a bearlike build kept his two-story home in the Shati refugee camp

even after being appointed prime minister following Hamas` victory in January 2006 parliament

elections.

He may have had little choice but to stay put, since Hamas had campaigned on a clean government

platform, riding to victory on a wave of frustration over Fatah`s official corruption during more than a

decade in power.

However, Haniyeh`s neighbors say he`s a genuinely nice man. "People like him. He has no enemies,"

said Shati resident Hassan Abu Ali, 55, who has known Haniyeh since childhood.

<snip>

Once home, he invited cameramen and photographers into the walled courtyard, had aides distribute

soft drinks and offered to pose for photos with journalists. Asked why he remained in Shati after

becoming prime minister, he said: "I was born here, I was raised here, I walked the streets here. I

must stay with my people."

The George W. Bush equivalent would have been staying in New England and mingling with old
money millionaires.

[CJCRANE]

78. Who funded

the 9/11 ('al-Qaeda') hijackers in the first place?

Same sh*t, different day.

[Roland99]

80. I've often thought the same thing that this passage relates (from Nasrallah)

Nasrallah said he believed that President Bush’s goal was “the drawing of a new map for the region. They want the partition of Iraq. Iraq is not on the edge of a civil war—there is a civil war. There is ethnic and sectarian cleansing. The daily killing and displacement which is taking place in Iraq aims at achieving three Iraqi parts, which will be sectarian and ethnically pure as a prelude to the partition of Iraq. Within one or two years at the most, there will be total Sunni areas, total Shiite areas, and total Kurdish areas. Even in Baghdad, there is a fear that it might be divided into two areas, one Sunni and one Shiite.”

He went on, “I can say that President Bush is lying when he says he does not want Iraq to be partitioned. All the facts occurring now on the ground make you swear he is dragging Iraq to partition. And a day will come when he will say, ‘I cannot do anything, since the Iraqis want the partition of their country and I honor the wishes of the people of Iraq.’ ”

But, I do have to wonder just how beneficial a divided Iraq would be to the new colonial efforts by American corporatists.