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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:20 PM
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Mental health, or I wish I had a smart subject line, but I don't
A little over a month ago, my fifteen-year-old sister tried to kill herself for the fifth time in a year. We thought she was dead. I got a call at work telling me she’d disappeared from school and the police were searching for her and I truly thought she was dead. I sat at my desk and started trying to figure out how we would handle her funeral. She was found by construction workers (or she asked them for help – I’m a little fuzzy on the details) and the cops came and took her to the hospital for her fourth hospitalization. The only reason she is still alive is because she happened to take the wrong knife.

I wish I could explain to you how my family is doing. My parents, who have always looked young for their age, are suddenly old and worn out. My other sister has thrown herself so viciously into work and college that I’m sure she is headed for a nervous breakdown of her own. The hell that my family has been going through for more than a year now has left us battered. A cacophony of emotions constantly threatens to overwhelm us, and it is difficult to deal with the anger, sadness, and fear because we have had to be so vigilant in giving her the care she needs.

I’m not telling you this because I’m trying to get pity, but because all of this has left me convinced that there needs to be a seismic shift in our mental health care, from the medical treatment of it, to our economic and governmental involvement in it, and our societal attitudes about it.

With my sister’s four hospitalizations we have gotten at least four conflicting diagnosis of what is wrong with her. This isn’t counting various other psychiatrists and therapists, who have all had their own theories. I want to make it clear that I am not knocking her doctors. They are all fine people (some of whom are among the best in there fields) but they can only work with what information they have, and as far as I can tell, the research in mental health simply isn’t there. We know what’s wrong with her is linked to the physical, something wrong in her brain, (as are most depressions) but I don’t think the doctors know yet what exactly is wrong (it’s something in the brain/hormone levels, but they don’t know what). This means that they throw medication after medication after it – essentially experimenting on a kid – and mostly the meds do very little, if anything, or in one drastic case, they made it much, much worse. She’s taken so many different medications now, she’s convinced that none will work, and even though this current combination seems to be doing something, she’s vowed to stop taking them the minute she turns 18 and my parents can’t force her to anymore.

This method of treatment isn’t good enough. The research needs to come, and quickly, that clearly labels each mental illness and its treatments, the way we do with infections, or viruses, or cancers. I’m not saying mental illness is exactly the same as a virus, but it is grounded in the same physical world as one and this approach would at least be a start. I’m aware that I’m simplifying things greatly here, but my point is that there needs to be so much more research and the medical establishment needs to start more actively treating each mental illness separately, not as something under a huge umbrella name.

After the start of every episode with my sister, I know my parents are worried, stressed, and scared. And I also know that they sit in the hospital wondering how in the world they are going to cover these hospital bills on top of all the previous ones. Before all of this started, I would have told you we were, while not on fantastic financial footing, at least doing decently. Now, well, things don’t look nearly so good. My family’s health insurance is considered very good – it at least is paying for a percentage of the bills, but we are still looking at something like $15,000.00 worth of debt – and that’s before this latest hospitalization and subsequent out of hospital treatment. And I know we are one of the lucky families. It could have been a lot worse. The thing is, I can’t figure out why health insurance companies are allowed to treat certain parts of our health as not being part of health care. If my sister, heaven forbid, had been diagnosed with cancer or some other debilitating disease, there would be a yearly cap on out-of-pocket spending; I think it’s around $1,500.00. But that cap doesn’t apply to mental health. I don’t understand why not, the same way I don’t understand how vision, or dental, or hearing can be treated as not part of our normal health, but as something different. When the fundraiser was held on here for ThomCat’s motorized chair, I was happy to donate what I could, because it was the right thing to do. But we shouldn’t have had to. I always thought that health care was about a large number of people paying what they could so that the people who needed care would have it. Unfortunately, it has not worked out that way.

My family is part of the lucky group – the insured. Without our insurance, our bills would be much, much higher. With us, it wasn’t a question of if my sister was going to get the care she needed – she was going to get it and we would figure out the bills later. I don’t know how families without insurance handle it. It breaks my heart to think of the millions of people who are not getting treatment because they cannot afford it. No one should have to survive without the medical care he or she needs and no family should have to deal with the stress of the bills on top of the stress they are already dealing with because a family member is sick. Health care and hospitals should not be run as businesses.

It is way past time to push for universal health care (or a single-payer system, or whatever you want to call it). It is unconscionable that one of the wealthiest countries in the world cannot give adequate health care – care that covers all parts of our health – to all of our inhabitants.

I am part of a close-knit family and an extended group of family friends (who are family in everything but actual blood). Usually, when there is a crisis in our family everyone knows immediately and drops everything and comes running. With this situation, however, my immediate family closed in on itself – most of our extended circle didn’t know how bad everything was until about December. We kept quiet partially out of shock, partially out of shame, partially because we were so overwhelmed, and partially because we were trying, as best we could, to protect her from the curiosity, the recriminations, and the judgments that were going to come her way. What I was (foolishly) unprepared for was the amount of, well, unwelcome opinions from (mostly) family members, who are all positive that the choices we are making for my sister are the wrong ones. I understand where they are coming from – there have been moments where I have wanted to absolutely scream at my parents, I so violently disagreed with decisions they were making. It’s really hard to rationally remind those people who are judging us (and even, at times, to remember myself) that we are only dealing with bad option right now. Really, no solution or situation we have is without some major drawbacks.

I understand the urge to judge. Our society has a tendency to deem mental problems as a weakness of character rather than the illnesses that they are. We have celebrities telling us not to get psychiatric help (and while we laugh at Tom Cruise, the idea is pervasive) and the media treats us to a three ring circus with many of our sick stars, the latest being Britney Spears, but there have been many before her. There needs to be a massive push to educate people about mental illness as a disease, and not as a character flaw. I’ve been trying on the local level, reminding people (and again, sometimes myself) that my sister is still the sweet, kind, smart, talented kid she has always been, but she is sick, the current illogical behavior isn’t her, but the illness, and while there are no promises, we are doing everything we can to make her well again. It’s not enough, though. I can’t talk to everyone. Until attitudes change, I’m going to worry about how people will treat her. She now has scars that are very visible and will take a long time to heal. She is already getting some grief about them and I hate that she needs to defend herself, especially because I am not confident she is capable of doing so.

On the third day of her hospitalization I came back onto DU to find at least a half dozen threads in the Lounge talking about suicide. I don’t know what prompted them, and honestly I don’t care. It saddened me that so many people have had to deal with the depression that leads to suicide, and it upset me that so many felt so defensive. While I have dealt with my own depression, I have never been suicidal, so I cannot pretend to understand what they are going through, but it seems to me that the least we can do to help is to refrain from being judgmental. We would not blame someone who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis for his or her diagnosis, and we shouldn’t in this case either.

My sister is now back in school, once again playing her cello, and most promising, talking about college plans. I know we have no guarantees and tomorrow everything could change, as it has over the past several months, but right now I am cautiously hopeful that she is over the worst of it and the rest of us can begin to heal.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:23 PM
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1. So many of us have been touched by mental illness, and I really appreciate
your post. I hope your sister and your family have peace and happiness. O8)

P.S. You sound like a wonderful sister.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:25 PM
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2. Sorry for all the pain and worry you are suffering
And sorry to, for your sister suffering from the disease that is forced to sit at the back of the bus.

In California, the mental crisis clinics are all closing up. Hospitals have very few beds for anyone with psychiatric problems.

And then on top of everything there is the stigma.

For the last two years, I have watched as close friends try to help their adult daughter. What they have gone through has been endless worry and cosntant vigilance.

And she feels so at fault. A mental illness seems to rob everyone of their mental health!
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:30 PM
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5. I can't tell you
how glad I am that she is not yet an adult. If she were older, we would have very few options in trying to help her. My heart goes out to your friends.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:26 PM
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3. I am very sorry.
I cannot imagine dealing with this for anyone I love. I hope your sister will be OK and get some answers to help her. And I agree, health care coverage needs to be universal, and soon. :hug: Bless you and your family, I hope things improve.
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:30 PM
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4. Very well said.
:thumbsup: Unfortunately, you are so very right about the screwed-up state of our mental health care - economically, politically, and societally. :( I don't know what it will take to get people to understand that something needs to be done, but I hope it happens soon. :hug: to you, your sister, and your whole family...I know this is not an easy thing to deal with, and I wish you all peace and strength.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:32 PM
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6. Healing, comfort , and peace of mind to you and yours
and lots of hugs :hug:

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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:43 PM
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7. Alliance for the mentally ill
It's a nationwide org that provides support, guidance and resources especially for families of folks with this. I have alot of experience with myself and in my family. I'll be happy to lend some phone support and a conversation it you want to send my a pm with your number.
There is guidance out there but the frustration with diagnosis and the treatment almost always comes with this. Take Care. I'll be happy to call you.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:45 PM
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8. Bipolar disease is all through my extended family
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 07:46 PM by Warpy
Some of them try to self medicate with alcohol. Others are mild enough that they don't medicate at all. A few are serious enough to know that they need the drugs.

Medicated bipolars in my family have gone off their drugs during periods of extreme stress and sadness, just to feel better for a little while. They all trash their lives while they're off the drugs, and there's nothing we can do about it. Unless they are an immediate physical threat to themselves or someone else, there is nothing the law will do. You can wreck every other aspect of your life, but you're not considered a threat to yourself unless it's physical.

The definition of "danger to oneself" is far too narrow and the definition of what constitutes health care is also far too narrow. You're just as sick with a disturbance in your brain chemistry as you are if your pancreas isn't putting out enough insulin. Both are potentially fatal.

Sometimes it takes several trials to come up with the right medication or combination of medication to tackle a brain chemistry issue like depression or bipolar disease. It sounds like your sister has finally gotten the right combination. I hate to say it, but you're lucky she does suicidal gestures. Those will get her the help she needs if she makes good her threat and goes off her meds.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:51 PM
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9. It drives me crazy that the health care won't step in sooner...
the problem with mental disorders is that a lot of the time people with them don't recognize how sick they are, so they don't go for help - and without the effort of the sick person mostly nothing will happen, no matter how much the family tries to get help.
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:56 PM
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10. "one flew over the coo-coos nest"
Is the worst thing to ever happen to mental health in this country. The movie gave mental institutions a black eye that persists to this very day. Within a few years of the movie coming out a huge number of mental hospitals had closed due to lack of funding. Now our country depends on prisons to keep the most violent people confined. The rest wander our streets homeless or are cared for by families ill prepared to handle it.

My deepest sympathy for your plight. I once lived with a woman who had deep clinical depression. She blamed me for her illness and eventually left me one day while I was at work. I have not heard from her in a long time. Even her family has no idea where she is. I imagine she is wandering the streets somewhere rather than getting the help she needs.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:00 PM
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12. it makes me so mad to hear about situations like this
I blame Reagan for the shutting down of mental institutions and society for the stigma that keeps new and better facilities from being opened.

Good thoughts are going out to your friend. I hope she's found the help she needs and the life she wants.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:57 PM
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11. It sounds like you are a wonderful sister.
She is lucky to have you and the rest of the family. I have a 15 year old daughter and it is a difficult stage even under the best of circumstances. My thoughts and prayers go out to her and, of course, to you also. Thanks for sharing your story. We are all hoping for better health care, especially mental health care, in the near future. Blessings and peace to you. :hug:
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:02 PM
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13. I don't know about being a wonderful sister...
trust me...I've had my moments. It's very difficult being much older and not able to do much of anything. As both the oldest sister and an adult, the lack of any concrete actions I can take frustrate me to no end.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:52 PM
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16. I also have a 26 year old daughter
in addition to the 15 year old. I do see the position that the oldest is in. She waivers between wanting to smack the crap out of her sister and hugging her! My Mom, a retired psychiatric nurse, once told me that a being teenager is the closest thing to psychosis that she has ever seen! I know she was being facetious, but there is some truth to it! Keep the faith and I am sure things will work out for your sis. Just the fact that you get frustrated shows me how much you love her and that is half the battle.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:04 PM
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14. A really great piecel
Psychiatric disorders and their treatment have been the step-child of the medical system for a long time. Things have only gotten worse in the last 10 years. Research is grossly underfunded. Managed care plans severely limited or eliminated coverage. The number of doctors going into the specialty is declining. The country's emergency rooms are full of psychiatric patients, often waiting days or even weeks for one of the few in-patient beds available.

And before we embrace universal care as the cure too quickly, please be aware that the largest single-payer in the country (Medicare for both the elderly and disabled, run by the government) does not cover psychiatric disorders at the same rate as other disorders. Not even close.

I am so sorry about your sister and glad to know she is doing better.

I wholeheartedly support a recommendation you received above to look into the Alliance for the Mentally Ill. Most states have chapters and they are not just a support system, but are quite politically active. One of the biggest problems is that many people with psychiatric disorders can not speak up and are easily ignored. It is imperative that their families and friends do it for them.

Thanks for speaking up.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:20 PM
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19. I agree with all of your points
the state of psychiatric care in this country is atrocious and no form of health coverage is doing enough to bring it anywhere near equality with other health issues.

I will definitely be looking into the Alliance for the Mentally Ill. I'm actually very surprised that we haven't heard of it sooner, but not shocked. Trying to find any information or resources at any level for mental health is like searching for that proverbial needle.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:12 PM
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15. One more thing (well, possibly not - I am passionate about this)
I think we should move away from the terms mental health/illness. It's way too soft and implies that it is just all "mental". The insurance companies continue to call these disorders "mental and nervous". I try to use psychiatric disorders because I think it gives more legitimacy to the issue at hand.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:10 PM
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17. thank you for your post - I really hope things improve for you
and your family and that the positive signs you have seen will continue. You make some great points about the system.

I am so sorry about what you're gone through.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:14 PM
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18. several thoughts
1. conservatorship
2. mental health disability

My goddaughter is on permanent disability due to her bipolar disorder. The family applied for the declaration before she was 18. If these problems continue, your sister may also need a conservator.

I have come too close to suicide myself. Depression runs in my family, and I began having depressive episodes as a child. I have finally, in my late 40s, have got a therapist who teased out what was going on in my life. The medications keep me from totally shutting down. All this while now watching my husband slowly die of multiple organ failure.

I wish you, your sister and your family all the best. Unfortunately, mood disorders take a huge toll on the patient's family. I hate to say it, but this may only be the beginning. Hang in there.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:24 PM
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21. we are already hard at work researching all our options
I hate to repeat myself, but the truth is, there are no perfect options for the family - each and every one has some major drawbacks. We are aware that this may only be the beginning. With my sister, things can seem totally fine and wonderful one minute and completely crash the next. We are always waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Hang in there yourself. :hug: If you need a friend, I'm only a pm away - and I'm on here almost every day...mostly for much longer than I should be.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:23 PM
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20. And I will disagree with you about YOUR diagnosis.... which may be why she isn't getting what she
needs.

That whole "brain chemistry" junk was sold to us by psychiatrists who were losing business to social workers and psychologists and decided to go the drug route to reassert their superiority.

Plus, the pharmcos, which are cashing in big time.

When NOBODY is looking at why your sister is hurting so much inside, of course it isn't getting better. She's being treated like a lab rat.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:28 PM
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22. you are certainly free to your own opinion.
And I am free to disagree.


I neglected to mention in the op that my sister is also undergoing extensive therapy. I don't think anyone thinks pills are the sole answer, but they are a part of it. There are certainly people with forms of depression that are not clinical and do not need meds, and then there are those who do. I don't think anyone should reject any avenue if it has the potential to help them.


Personally, I feel your attitude is part of the problem - yes, there are major issues with the current state of psychiatric research, but to say it's all science demeans the problems that many, many people are dealing with.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:38 PM
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25. Oh, great.... I was doing my best to take my strong beliefs and not dump on you...
so you thank me for that by saying I'm part of the problem.

Look, little boy, do some research of your own, and understand the history of all the "research", and who it benefits, before blaming someone who has NO HAND at all in what your sister is undergoing.

You know, the old.. "follow the money" thing.

This was recommended to me just today, here on DU:

Mount Misery by Sam Shem

Your sister is hurting big time, and blaming someone who has nothing to do with it isn't going to keep her healthy.

Good luck to you, and good bye.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:49 PM
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28. I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to upset you.
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 09:52 PM by blueraven95
My point was that I feel that discounting all psychiatric techniques is dismissing the many, many people who have been helped by them and discouraging the many, many people who may get help from them. Yes, there are people who are mis-medicated or over-medicated, but there are many others who are living greatly-improved lives because, at least in part, of the medication. I truly don't think creating a stigma around the medications is doing anyone a service. Trust me, I've done a lot of research.

Every doctor I've met has told me that medication should be done in conjunction with therapy, not instead of. It is part of a whole treatment package.


Also, I'm female. :hi:


on edit: part of my point, in the op, was that the research needs to be done - we have these medicines and we have all these different disorders, but we really don't know what fixes what yet. And that is a major part of the problem, because people are being given meds that totally mess them up. I absolutely agree with you on that. We need the research that will give us better and more complete classifications.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:43 PM
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29. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. Mine are backed up by shrinks
and the book I mentioned, and the BAD experiences of people like your sister.

So be it.

Good luck, and good night.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:36 PM
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24. Oh, bobbolink. I really don't want to get into a fight with you again, but
I am going to partially agree and partially disagree.
It is true that because of the underfunding of the entire system, there is not enough time or attention given to the underlying causes of some people's misery.
But, there are people with real brain disease and we can not dismiss them. There are people, many, many people, who have been able to live and enjoy their lives because they received appropriate treatment for their illnesses. And some of these people needed medicine.
It's like telling a diabetic that they need to just figure out why their pancreas doesn't work.
Again, I think way too many people are given medication for illnesses that should be treated with therapy. And that's not good. But I don't think we should dismiss all psychiatric patients who really have a different kind of illness.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:41 PM
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27. If that was TRUE, it would be the case all around the world.
It isn't.

I have no disagreement with people who take pills because they CHOOSE to, because it's easier for them than getting to the root of the problem. BUT, it MUST be done with full disclosure, and the accurate assessment of their condition.

I can also tell you of MANY people whose lives were ruined by the shrink industry, and their "medicines"! People who were NOT given full disclosure, or their own choice in the matter. It's sickening.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:18 PM
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30. Is that you, Tom Cruise?
:eyes:

Celexa literally saved my life. I wasn't "hurting" a bit -- I was entering menopause and having a major reaction to the radical hormone shifts I was going through, like my grandmother, my mother, and my sister before me.

Biological depression, bipolar, and schizophrenia are very real diseases of the brain that can be helped with the proper medications.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:33 PM
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35. Your opinion.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:33 PM
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23. I know what your parents are going through & they have my profound condolences.
My 22-year-old son was diagnosed as schizophrenic at age 19 & your feelings could reflect mine. (You're a great sister, btw, regardless of how many "moments" you've had; the feelings you have for her is what matters most.)

I didn't want to talk about my son's problem, either, to family or friends. I still don't; I understand that people wouldn't grasp it unless it happened to them, so I find the best fit for me is to discuss it (strictly the result of being asked about it) as little as possible. I take it one day at a time & try not to think too far ahead. I even got a part-time job at a boutique. No one at work knows about my family's problem; working is my time to recharge & to provide some normalcy for myself.

I thank you profusely for sharing your story & for advocating the need for humane & caring mental health facilities. It's depressing, to say the least, at what little is available. You're right on the money, particularly about the costs shouldered by the caregivers. I'm having difficulty right now finding a new psychiatrist for my son (another problem caused by Katrina).

Take care & do take it one day at a time, blue raven. :hug:





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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:41 PM
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26. ...
I'm sorry that you have to deal with such huge issues - I can't imagine how hard it must be to be dealing with the aftermath of Katrina on top of trying to get care for your son.


You are absolutely right, most people can not understand what's happening unless they've been through it themselves. Even then it's a struggle, I can't pretend to understand what's happening in my sister's head and often that makes it hard not to get angry or frustrated with her actions.


Hang in there yourself! :hug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:24 PM
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31. We have the technology to treat mental illness.
It isn't delivered very often.

If you want to talk in the Mental Health forum or by pm, I'd be happy to share whatever I've learned about capturing care.

:hug:
:grouphug:
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:28 PM
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32. thanks!
I wasn't even aware we had a mental health forum.

shows that we learn new things every day.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:40 PM
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33. Here's the link. It's a great forum.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 03:08 PM
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34. adding to my forums
thanks!
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