40,000 head of livestock dead due to winter storm

[donsu]

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?cid=15404&cat=dis&lang=eng



More than 40,000 head of livestock have been killed in harsh winter weather which has left around 90 percent of Mongolia buried under a blanket of snow. Local media said Friday that animals had died due to a lack of food caused by the adverse weather. In some places the snow is up to 25 centimeters deep. The reports said the Mongolian government was working to reduce the damage to the farming industry, which is one of the most important sectors of the country's economy. More than 40 million livestock are bred in Mongolia.)
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a world of less and less

[ET Awful]

1. To put that in perspective -

In the US, 25 million cattle are slaughtered per year. Roughly 68,000 per day.

[donsu]

2. how do the two compare?

nt

[superduperfarleft]

41. I think it would illustrate the disconnect

between people who consider one a tragedy and the other dinner.

But I admit I expect more empathy out of people than usually show...

[ET Awful]

45. Bingo.

Not to mention the fact that the majority of cattle killed in the US suffer as badly as those described in the article if not worse.

Of course, we won't get into the fact that 40,000 head of lifestock dying is NOT a huge portion of 40,000,000 (the numbers are right there in the article).

In fact, that's 1/10th of 1 percent.

So, everyone who wants to jump down my throat for being a vegetarian, feel free. For those who would rather look at the actual numbers and reality instead, welcome to the real world.

[BoneDaddy]

43. Your point?

Apples and oranges.

The issue isn't the eating of meat, if you can let up on your veg agenda for a sec.

The issue is that region of people are now bereft of their sustenance and the effect of incredibly bad weather.

[bobbolink]

3. How many homeless people with frostbite, or frozen to death?

Does that matter?

[shireen]

4. i think about them when it gets really cold. So sad. nt

[bobbolink]

7. It would be nice if "progressives" would actually TAKE ACTION.

[shireen]

20. i can't tell if

you're taking a swing at me, or at progressives in general.

and please don't assume that i'm not taking action.

[Midlodemocrat]

21. Her MO is to take a swing at all progressives all the time

about poverty. Because none of us is helping 'her'. It's immaterial what we do in our own communities. It's easier to cast aspersions.

[dajoki]

24. Her MO?...

Her MO is taking the lead on a subject too many people want to pretend doesn't exist. If you wish to call that "taking a swing" go ahead, it will not stop people like us from keeping this issue FRONT AND CENTER!! Its too friggin important!!

[Midlodemocrat]

25. Yup.

Those of us who work tirelessly to help improve the lives of the poverty stricken are a tad irritated at the constant finger wagging and slams. It's tiresome. And does nothing to further the cause.

[undergroundpanther]

26. Midlo

Why assume the finger wagging is aimed at YOU ?
Because if you are helping the homeless already ,why let a finger waving around a discussion get to you? Especially if you have nothing to feel ashamed of?

What I am saying is maybe that wagging finger is there for a certain segment of so called progressives that will cry a river over livestock animals freezing and not give two shits about the people freezing in a town where they live right now.And you know they exist.

There are people like that, people who tell themselves lies and believe in fairy tales like the just world hypothesis.

The Just World Hypothesis
n. A psychological unwillingness to believe the world is unjust which can often lead to such behaviors as blaming the victim.

[dajoki]

27. I'm glad you work so hard...

on poverty, thank you for that. But I believe people in these situations have every right to take swings at some so-called liberals who like to sweep this inconvenience under the rug. As for you actually doing something, I applaud you!! So you should take no offense if the swings do not apply to you.

[shireen]

28. " ... people like us ..."?

who are you referring to?

I took issue with Bobolink's assumption that "progressives" were not doing anything about it. Perhaps she was referring directly to me or to some other entity. Whatever. The point is, she is making assumptions about people she does not know.

[undergroundpanther]

29. Assumptions happen

Why take it so personal.

Especially when some people get so defensive they get downright verbally abusive to people speaking out in poverty threads.
Yes poor bashing happens even here on DU.

[shireen]

33. I took her remark personally because I care very much about homelessness.

I consider myself a progressive. When someone says "progressives" don't care about homelessness, he or she is referring to a label that I identify with. If she had used the term "some progressives" or "livestock-loving progressives", there's enough information there to indicate that she may not be referring to me.

All I'm saying is, please don't generally condemn all progressives because of the actions of a few callous individuals.

[dajoki]

31. I think you took it the wrong way...

Nobody said that they assume anything about you.

[bobbolink]

35. "progressives", given that most of these pleas for action sink like a rock on DU!

[caseycoon]

8. That's the scarey part for me!

So many people freezing to death because they can't get in a shelter.

[knitter4democracy]

22. A knitter started a great charity for Mongolia to keep people warm.

http://www.knittingforcharity.org/magic_mittens_and_mufflers_for_mongolian_children_spreading.html#more

This is the first one I found, but there's also one that does socks and hats and anything else people can knit up. From the link, they're working on keeping homeless children clothed through a yoga center there.

Here's the one I was thinking about:
http://www.fireprojects.org/dulaan.htm

The Dulaan Project is awesome. They do massive work, and all sorts of the big-time knitbloggers have gotten the word out about Dulaan. They'll take anything, including doubled fleece blankets that you don't need to sew.

[superduperfarleft]

30. Then start a thread about it.

It is possible to care about two things at once. :eyes:

[RuleOfNah]

44. Yes, it does matter.

My immediate reaction to the OP was 'in the old days there would be raiders on horses after the thaw'. I wonder if they still worry about that sort of thing over there.

[Ilsa]

5. Is nature "taking out" some parts of the carbon track? nt

[bobbolink]

6. Yes, including we humans who have no place to go to get out of the cold.

Does it matter?

[apocalypsehow]

9. It should matter very much to those of us on the Progressive side of politics.

Excellent observation. :thumbsup:

[bobbolink]

13. Sadly, it doesn't seem to.

Animals are much more important.

:cry:

Thanks.... your kind words help!

[Justpat]

32. Animals are more important to some people

and others feel a calling to help their fellow man and/or women.

If we all had a strong desire to help only people, the rest of creation would
not fare so well.

By having different loves & passions for all of life is how the whole fabric of
life is healed.

Just my two cents.

[bobbolink]

34. Try being poor and ignored, and seeing animals get all the help and attention!

You might find you see it a bit differently.

[Justpat]

36. I have been poor and ignored.

And I work with animals for a living.


Your passion for helping the poor is admirable. But I feel I best extend a healing vibe to the world
by helping the creatures we share our planet with who have no voice.

Peace.

[bobbolink]

38. Then you should know how out of balance it is. When Katrina victims were killing themselves,

people who had survived the Convention Center and Superdome, and had NO PLACE to live and no way to survive....

KILLING THEMSELVES because the nation had turned it's collective back..

WHERE was the outrage?

Yet, at the same time HUMAN BEINGS were killing themselves, I was in a vet's office, and the bulletin board was COVERED with animals that people had driven down to "rescue", brought back to Colorado and "fostered", and were cared for with all kinds of $$$, and were then up for adoption.

I was sick to my stomach!

People killing themselves because of being ignored in their greated need, but people spending huge amounts of money and time and energy "rescuing" animals.

SHAME on US!

And that's just one example... of many...

[superduperfarleft]

40. I know, they're just animals. Who gives a shit?

:eyes:

In case you aren't able to see it from up on your cross, the world doesn't revolve around you and your particular issue.

[bobbolink]

47. dearie, your heartfelt concern is so very touching. MY WORLD would just as soon *I* die

as you and your animal cohorts would just as soon the Katrina people die.

You have a lovely, furry day, now.

BYE

[uppityperson]

50. Why do you get by with posting such nasty stuff?

Jumping to the conclusion that just because someone says they care about something means they don't care about others? Multi-tasking, multi-caring.

[superduperfarleft]

61. I would wonder that as well.

See below. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[caseycoon]

10. It should matter to everyone!

But especially to those of us who say we are progressive.
I can't believe that no one cares when men, women & little children & even our elders are freezing to death on streets of AMERICA! This is a shame on all of us!

[bobbolink]

11. Yes it is, caseycoon! And it makes us feel HOPELESS!

I've really come to understand why homeless people give up.

I GET IT NOW.

:cry:

[caseycoon]

16. Well it's HELL of a thing

when it's preferable to just give up & die than it is to live.
It really pisses me off that so many people don't care enough to actually DO something!
I'm gonna shut up & cool off a bit before I start foaming at the mouth.

But you know, actually it causes me more pain than anger I think. To know that America could fall so low.

[dysfunctional press]

15. ...

:eyes:

[uppityperson]

12. k&r for people and animals in other parts of the world.

off to check rsoe

[dysfunctional press]

14. 40,000 out of 40,000,000...what's that... about 0.25%?

i wouldn't exactly call that a crisis. unless i was a cattle, i suppose.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Um. No

Come on, you can do better than that! It's a tenth of a percent! Every time you take away three zeroes, the lower number is a tenth of percent of the higher one!
The Professor

[dysfunctional press]

18. oops...i guess that i converted the 40mil to 10mil when i did the math...

oops.
thanks.
an even smaller percentage, means even less of a crisis. and now, even more of the cattle can relax a little.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Sorry About That

Just had to do it. I'm sure you'll understand, me being a math and science geek and all.
GAC

[dajoki]

23. What about the HUMAN BEINGS...

in this country who are out in the cold, sleeping in boxes, under bridges or in their cars? That is where MY concern is!!

[Xenotime]

37. Agreed,

[superduperfarleft]

39. So I guess that means you don't care about

gay rights, the war in Iraq, racial equality etc. etc. etc. since you're only capable of caring about one thing at a time (and seem to demand that others do the same).

[dajoki]

42. WOW!!...

Are you a psychic? How on earth did you get that from this?

What about the HUMAN BEINGS...
in this country who are out in the cold, sleeping in boxes, under bridges or in their cars? That is where MY concern is!!

You have NO IDEA of my capability, none, nada, zilch, zero!! And like I said, if you can, please explain to me how you came up with all of that from a line and a half post. If you can, you are in the wrong business, oh, forgive me, I assumed that you were in the wrong business because you didn't tell me, just like I didn't tell YOU what issues I CARE ABOUT, that's right I said ISSUES, plural!! Being that you jumped down my throat the way you did, I will not get into what I care about, you haven't earned that kind of respect from me, and all in all I have been as polite to you as possible, something you have not done with me.

Oh, and I think the OP was about freezing to death, so that is what I responded to. If it were about one of the other issues you mention, I would have responded to that. Pretty simple, huh?

[bobbolink]

48. It *IS* pretty amazing, isn't it dajoki? Those of us with only two legs

are tossed on the scrap heap, then the attempt is made to make us feel more like worthless scum.

I say attempt, because you obviously didn't fall for it.

All this from the "far left"....:crazy:

You are worth MUCH more than all this kind of colossal disrespect!

:hug: :loveya: :hug:

[dajoki]

53. It IS amazing Bobbie...

Where do some of these so-called "liberals" come up with this stuff? They read ONE SENTENCE and they act like they know everything about you. Like I said to the poster, he/she hasn't EARNED my respect for me to explain the issues which I care about. You DO know me and know what I'm about and I appreciate it. Thank you Bobbie!! :hug: :loveya:

[bobbolink]

56. Yes, this country is overstocked with sociopaths, and Dems are no different.

Loyal Dems want to believe they are sooooo different from the RW, but many have the same authoritarian characteristics.

Bullies come in various costumes....

People who get UGLY at the mention of Katrina victims who killed themselves because they had no way to survive, then claim you and I are being "selfish" have outted themselves perfectly as bullies and heartless authoritarians.

Sensitive people like you who have real HEART are the true roots of the party.

Or what's left of it.

:yourock: :loveya: :yourock:

[superduperfarleft]

55. Has nothing to do with being psychic.

Anyone who shits all over an animal-related thread (and the other issue of these people being denied their livelihood because of an unusual weather-occurance) with "BUT WHAT ABOUT ME AND MY COMPLETELY UNRELATED ISSUE???!!!!" has already shown them to be too self-absorbed to have a reasonable discussion.

[dajoki]

57. Wrong quote, pal...

"BUT WHAT ABOUT ME AND MY COMPLETELY UNRELATED ISSUE???!!!!" I NEVER SAID that, where did you pull that one from? Since you say it has nothing to do with being psychic,...Edited for civility.

I never mentioned myself or any othe person in particular, just speaking about the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. Sure it is tragic about the livestock, but what is worse is how it will affect the PEOPLE who depended on them.

I'm sorry if my concern for my fellow human beings bothers you, but so be it. You have shown yourself for what you are also. Goodbye, you will NEVER get it.

[bobbolink]

59. Excellently said, and I love your sig quote!

It is, indeed, evil, as is the muddleclass ignoring of poverty!

How people can be so hardhearted about HUMAN BEINGS freezing to death is truly astounding... must be a defect in the genes.

edited to say... I love seeing your 4 hearts!!

:loveya:

[superduperfarleft]

60. Your "concern" for other humans beings doesn't bother me in the least.

Your corresponding lack of concern for animals because you seem to think it's a fucking competition is what bothers me. You're right, I'll never get the idea that I have a finite amount of empathy to give out and that I have to arbitrarily assign who gets it and who doesn't.

But since you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said in order to act like some sort of martyr for the huddled masses, there seems little point in continuing this with you or your self-absorbed little friend. Peace out.

[dajoki]

62. Dear superduperfarleft, please read this...

Why do you insist on pretending to know what I'm about? I will be civil with you as you don't understand or don't want to understand what I'm saying. You keep saying that I only care about one thing, that is totaly wrong, I do care very much about gay rights, civil rights, women's rights, the illegal war and occupation our constitutional rights, worker's rights, the environment and YES I love animals. As a matter of fact we feed every stray cat in the neighborhood and have found homes for many of them and taken some to a NO KILL shelter.

And I am not misinterpreting anything especially deliberately, I am only repeating the quotes that you said to me. I have never said some of the things you claim.

I also do not know why you think that I have a finite amount of empathy, that is not true, and I would never even think about who should get what and who doesn't. I'm what a lot of people would call a "bleeding heart liberal," I see sadness, injustice and suffering and it hurts me tremendously. If I could I would help everyone and anyone and all the causes that I care about, but I do have a finite amount of resources and my medical conditions prevent me from doing as much as I would like to.

And please don't defame my friend, who has nothing to do with what I said. My friend is in dire straites and does not need anything added to it. My friend has been there for me in the tough times that I'm going through right now and I appreciate it very much. My friend has given me courage and hope. My friend is is in a worse situation than I am, yet still gives the effort to help me with what I'm going through, so I will continue to support my friend, I just wish I could do something that would actually help. So I ask you again to please not blame my friend for what I say.

Finally, I am no martyr, nor do I pretend to be, I only care very much for the less fortunate and underprivelaged, and if you knew me I assure you that you would know what I'm talking about. I just hope that you take the time to read this and understand that I am sincere about my feelings and care very deeply about what I have said, I am not here to make enemies, life's too short for that and we all have our own struggles to contend with. I ask for nothing, except that we understand how bad it is for many people, you may feel that I choose the wrong place to display it, maybe I did and I'm sorry if that offended you, I'm not perfect and can admit when I make mistakes, so you may be right on that, I don't know. So take this as you wish, I only wanted to speak about something that we as a nation should be very embarrassed about. Like my sig. line says: "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." Robert F. Kennedy. And I truly believe that. Thank you.

[superduperfarleft]

63. #1 rule of the internet:

Although we may snipe at each other from behind the anonymity of a computer screen, we'd probably get along just fine in real life.

Every single one of my friends are pro-capitalist, animal-eating, Obama/Hillary-loving moderate Democrats. And yet I can share a beer with them and discuss civilly why I disagree with most of their positions.

I shouldn't fall into the trap of talking shit to a complete stranger from behind a computer screen, and yet sometimes I do. I apologize. Peace to you and all that you're going through.

[dajoki]

65. No need for apology...

I understand that this is a passionate issue and things can get heated. Like I said we're not here to make enemies, who needs that. I also apologize to you, because I said some things that were uncalled for. I hope to count you as a friend and who knows, maybe someday WE can have a beer together. Thanks--Dajoki

[uppityperson]

49. A lot of us multi-task. This thread is about the animals, others are about people

I'm glad your concern is people as they do not get enough coverage. Start another one about people freezing to death rather than jumping on posters for posting about animals freezing to death. And this goes for bobolink as well as you and others who post "what about my cause?" on topics remotely related. Multi-tasking is possible. General rant over.

[flvegan]

51. Well said.

I think some folks need an increase in compassion bandwidth.

[dajoki]

58. I didn't jump on anyone...

just posted my sentiments, sorry you are offended. At least you are polite in your response, thank you for that!!

This issue of poverty is extremly important to me, and I just believe it should be heard, I have started many threads about it, as you know our politicians do not do enough about it. Sorry if you feel I did something wrong. There are many other issues that I care about also, but this thread was about freezing animals and I thought freezing people was important to mention.

I do not wish to offend anyone here, so again sorry if I did.

[uppityperson]

64. Peace to you, was a general rant and no, we need more topics and work on poverty.

I've been there and could easily be there again and know how it can be. We need more about people in poverty, and more work on figuring out how to help people get housing health care child care food decent paying gainful employment with decent working conditions. For a start.

[dajoki]

66. Absolutely...

I apologize for overstepping the boundaries. This is nice to be able to have a disagreement and end up understanding each other.

[donsu]

46. it is a large loss to the people there and it is not over yet

point being - weather caused losses all over the world are exspanding at a fast rate. causing: newly poor, high food prices, less food available, transportion cost HIGH., etc.

get a grip everybody

[superduperfarleft]

54. But but but

WHAT ABOUT MEEEEE???!!! :sarcasm: