Today had a ... GREAT MOMENT IN PUNDITRY moment

[underpants]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/17/this-week-iraq-is-mccains-winning-issue/

Time Magazine’s Jay Carney thinks that McCain can coast to the White House by distinguishing himself from his Democratic rivals with his wargasmic rhetoric, a bizarre assertion that neither George Stephanopoulos, Claire Shipman nor Mark Halperin find questionable at all.

CARNEY: On Iraq, I’m not sure that it’s…that he can’t win that argument. I think that if you’re forward looking, that the public has already decided what it thinks about what happened and how we got in and whether it’s been done well. But I think, you know, McCain can effectively frame an argument that says, you know, “I’m a much better steward going forward” than Democrats who are going to come in and say, “let’s just get out.” Imagine what will happen with the military brass and conservative establishment and people who just don’t want to see us hightail it out of there without honor. I think that can be a very effective argument and the Democratic nominee, whether it’s Obama or Clinton, has to have an answer to that that’s acceptable.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Probably works better against Obama than Clinton?

SHIPMAN: Yeah, and also I think it works better if the subject shifts back to Iraq than the economy. I mean, I think people are so focused on the economy right now, I’m not sure that’s going to be a compelling issue…

STEPHANOPOULOS: But I also wonder if he’s damned by success in Iraq, Mark Halperin, if it’s going well, yes, people may have forgotten that they didn’t like the war in the first place, but if it’s going well, that could become all the more reason to bring the troops out.

HALPERIN: Well, it could be, but there’s going to be a troop presence there. The Democrats, if you talk to their advisors of course there’s going to be a troop presence there for the foreseeable future, of a pretty substantial size. I don’t Iraq goes off the table, and I think again, you’re right. If it gets better there, maybe he can’t argue as much about the importance of it. But he’s going to have to make foreign policy—Iraq, War on Terror—the centerpieces of his general election campaign or he could not win.

[ixion]

1. what planet do these people live on?

I mean, it seems from their conversation that it's some weird planet that is not Earth.

It's morons like this that will herald our downfall.

[underpants]

3. Planet DC

the punditry was not aware that anyone even knew about the corruption before the 2006 elections but it was #`1 or #2 in every exit poll.

They have no clue as to what goes on outside the castle walls.

[tularetom]

2. "Hightail it out of there without honor"? WTF?

There is no "honor" involved in anything we are doing there. We went in and beat up on a country we knew would be unable to fight back, except they did. We've spent five years trying to justify our initial dishonorable intent and we have utterly failed.

I rarely watch punditage on sunday morning or any other time but I did happen to see that. Mr Carney looks like a college republican and his remarks are disingenuous at best, head up the ass stupid more accurately.

[underpants]

4. I stopped watching the Sunday morning shows a few years ago

Time is clearly irrelevant as are all of the MSM in my humble opinion.

[Faygo Kid]

5. The people made up their mind on this war long ago. They want out.

No matter what crap successes are put forth, this war is an immoral failure. No one has lost an election by pushing to get out. This is more "inside the Beltway" comment that is pure crap.

Get out now.

[annabanana]

6. The Democrats, if you talk to their advisors

. .of course there’s going to be a troop presence there for the foreseeable future,"

Sadly, when I look at their military advisors, I have to agree with him.

The real Peace candidates are gone.