The GOP code words have already begun to emerge

[theHandpuppet]

Don't know how many of you watched GHWB's endorsement of McCain the other day, but some of their code words cropped up. When GHWB said that McCain "shares our values" I thought, "Okay, I can see where this will lead. There's that values mantra again." You can bet they will pound hard on choice, gay rights, national security. Things could get very, very ugly and quickly, not only during the GE but local races as well.

By the way, if anyone responds to this thread, PLEASE do not turn this into a discussion of the two Democratic candidates. That's for the GD: Primaries forum. I'm just wondering if anyone else caught that endorsement speech the other day and what you think the GOP might have up its sleeve. What about your local races -- have you heard any of their codespeak yet?

[islandmkl]

1. the most effective single word they use is "they"...

as in "they want to raise your taxes", "they want to give your daughters abortions and not tell you", etc..."they" just happens to be you and me

[theHandpuppet]

3. Good point.

Whereas I've noticed the GOP uses the word "we" as inclusive.

[Dhalgren]

2. On a local shit-for-brains radio show, this caller and the DJ agreed

that people would be able to "identify" with McCain. People would see McCain as "their kind of guy". I can only assume what was meant by this...

[theHandpuppet]

6. Another guy you can have a beer with, ala the Dimbulb?

Of course, what that caller said could be interpreted to have a more sinister slant, which would't surprise me, either. Usually those type are cowards anyway and aren't going to tell you right out what they really mean.

It's a curious pickle this years' GOP candidates have gotten themselves into. They want to use those same old mantras but also keep their distance from one of the most unpopular Presidents in history. I don't see how they'll manage to do both.

[Virginia Dare]

10. They're reaching out to white men..

that's what they mean by somebody "they can identify with". You don't want a WOMAN or a BLACK man as President, do YOU???:scared:

[zbdent]

34. or young, either ...

funny, how they think that McCain will draw in the youth vote ... I mean, they must mean Katherine Harris' "Young Republicans" crowd ...

[adigal]

51. Most people leave their wives for a woman 20 years his junior

and buy their seat in Arizona, and are involved in scandals, and cover up their wife's theft of painkillers from the charity she runs.

Sure, most people can relate to McCain.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B02EFDF1439F934A15751C0A9669C8B63&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

[mmonk]

4. Repetition is their success. Their base doesn't stray beyond

talking points.

[Dhalgren]

9. I think that the GE will be THE dirtiest election in US history. It

will be so ugly, it will drive people away from politics for generations. "Willie Horton", "Swift-boaters", "Whitewater" are all going to look like Sunday School lessons by comparison. How low can we go? Stay tuned...

[bdamomma]

17. one thing we can't let another repig sit in that WH.

that should be our main objective.

[Dhalgren]

35. In the end it won't matter what our objective was. The whole thing will be

so filthy, so vile, so toxic that it just won't matter. Wanting to unite the country is an admirable wish, but it cannot be done here. If Mr. Obama is lucky he will get 50% + 1 and win. The Democrats in congress have already shown that which Party has the majority is only marginally significant to the people. This country is wrecked and Mr. Obama should be thinking about how to manage a wrecked country, rather than thinking in terms of "uniting" or "change" or "moving" anywhere. Managing the wreckage, that will Mr. Obama's job number one - if he is elected...

[theHandpuppet]

38. Please watch any referrals to the Democratic candidates.

I don't want to have this thread locked. Thanks!

:hi:

[conscious evolution]

19. Argumentum ad nauseum

Old old old propaganda trick.Often combined with the big lie trick.

[mmonk]

36. Yes. The groundwork is laid and then the big lie, followed

with more talking points groundwork. It's worked for them so far.

[zanne]

5. "Democrats were wrong about Iraq"...

He claimed that now that the Surge is "working", the Democrats want us to lose the war. I'm sure we'll hear alot more of this in the months to come. Personally, I think the administration is just keeping the bad news from Iraq out of the media until the general election. (Shades of Richard Nixon)
I was thinking about the election of 04' and how the news out of Iraq was so good. Somehow, they pulled it off. After the election, of course, all the news outlets were saying they were sorry they hadn't accurately reported the news. Apology Part II will come in 2009.

[theHandpuppet]

7. I think you're right.

I also think some deals were made in Iraq that we won't hear about until AFTER the election. And you can bet there will be plenty of fearmongering and race-baiting to pepper their taste for war. Shoot, the Left Behind crowd WANTS war.

[SpiralHawk]

16. The republicon SURGE in Iraq is not in peace, but in Sewage...

Baghdad drowning in sewage: Iraqi official
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2008-02-19 01:35. Media
By AFP

BAGHDAD (AFP) — Baghdad is drowning in sewage, thirsty for water and largely powerless, an Iraqi official said on Sunday in a grim assessment of services in the capital five years after the US-led invasion.

One of three sewage treatment plants is out of commission, one is working at stuttering capacity while a pipe blockage in the third means sewage is forming a foul lake so large it can be seen "as a big black spot on Google Earth," said Tahseen Sheikhly, civilian spokesman for the Baghdad security plan. Sheikhly told a news conference in the capital that water pipes, where they exist, are so old that it is not possible to pump water at a sufficient rate to meet demands -- leaving many neighbourhoods parched.

A sharp deficit of 3,000 megawatts of electricity adds to the woes of residents, who are forced to rely on neighbourhood generators to light up their lives and heat their homes. "Sewerage, water and electricity are our three main problems," said Sheikhly, adding that many of these problems date back to the Saddam Hussein regime when not enough attention was paid to basic infrastructure.

Insurgency, sectarian violence and vandalism since the US-led invasion in March 2003 had further ravaged services in the capital, he added.

Read more: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/31144

[bdamomma]

20. god, Iraq used to be a beautiful country, yea, spreading

democracy alright, what BS!!!! These thugs are truly disgusting.

[Virginia Dare]

8. Poppy always speaks in code..

whenever he makes a speech, I always have to go back and read the written version to parse it for all the innuendo it contains. I'll have to search it out later.

[theHandpuppet]

21. Thanks -- I only caught a portion of the speech

I'm sure it was full of codespeak that will indicate to us just what we'll be up against.

[KharmaTrain]

11. I've Been Hearing Tons Of It

Most of it has been coming out of the corporate media. Just look at how they break down election results and that's codespeak in action. They're exit polling "values voters" or trying to separate blacks and latinos and women.

The GOOP lives in codespeak...they can't help themselves now. I just saw a goon from the American Expectorate on C-SPIN try to build up McCain using all the codewords..."librul", "tax and spend" "unpatriotic"...blah blah blah. Inversely, the immigration "issue" is the GOOP codespeak wedge issue of the year...the Latinos of '08 and the gays of '04.

Just listen close and you'll hear the sexism, racism, exclusion and ignorance in any GOOPspeak these days.

What stood out for me about that endorsement...as with several others for McCain recently, is how old those endorsing are...it's the "party elders" who are trying to rally around him...while he's still being rejected by the younger wingnuts. The GOOP looks old, tired and beat.

[theHandpuppet]

18. Yeah, I've also noticed how old they look

Hey, I'm not a spring chicken mysef but I know exactly what you're driving at. Where are the young leaders in the GOP? Why is it whenever we see McCain he's surrounded by little more than a sea of old white faces and nary a person of color or few women in sight? I keep hoping the GOP as we have known and experienced it has gone the way of the dinosaurs but I also remind myself that those pulling the strings for the GOP comprise a majority of the folks in this country with power and wealth. They won't go down without a fight. It's gonna get ugly.

[DainBramaged]

24. WE WANT GRAMPS, WE WANT GRAMPS

[theHandpuppet]

26. He looks more like the Grinch than Gramps

Scary.

[Dhalgren]

49. He looks like Mike Myers in "The Cat in the Hat"...

:rofl:

[MissMarple]

43. Ewww....Grumpy Grampy. n/t

[KharmaTrain]

27. Caged Tired Feral Animals...

No they won't go down easy...expect lies, fear and dirty tricks as too much money and power is riding on this election. Also, some in the GOOP see a big loss this year as a big financial disaster as the free-wheeling days of the past 7 years will come to an end. The corporate welfare system sees McCain as their only hope...endless war, making boooshie's tax cuts permanent and letting the foxes continue to run the henhouse. But while they're dangerous and always will be, they also are adrift and losing more credibility every day.

The young GOOPers are the rabid wingnuts...McCain is like Grandpa Munster to them...but they're too busy fighting among themselves now to matter...and that's a very good thing. If the "youngsters" reject the grey beards, it could make things very interesting.

Cheers...

[Jim__]

12. I disagree with you about them pounding on "choice".

They'll pound on "abortion" and "baby killers". "Choice" is about our freedom to own guns, but the code words are "gun grabbers".

[lisainmilo]

13. Publically or Privately?

This post, written by Howie Klein, originally appeared on Down With Tyranny!

David Vitter is still hiding under his bed and refusing to talk to anyone.

One of the prostitutes he's hired-- not for a quickie but for a three year stretch of infidelity-- told about the sweet relationship they had, although it did cause her to break up with her boyfriend. But she did say that she sometimes worried about Vitter's grotesque hypocrisy, even if he didn't. "Yow characterized the senator as a good man but said she was perturbed that he portrayed himself as a politician who would bring moral authority to his office when he was using her services on the side." Basically Vitter would like to say the pass he got from God for his transgressions regarding the DC Madam was a pass that covers all his decades of philandering with prostitutes everywhere. And, in case that isn't admissible in a court of law, he also points out that he had no ownership or managerial role in the Canal Street whore house he was frequenting. Oh, ok-- I guess that makes him eligible to still run Giuliani's campaign in the South.
Yesterday we mentioned that the North Carolina Republican lunatic who ran around his office with his pecker in his hand, chasing some poor legislative assistant while screaming she should perform fellatio on him had the decency to resign after just a week of prodding from fellow wingnuts who were embarrassed that his hypocrisy as a good Republican family man would rub off on their images as well.

AlterNet:http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/56868/


This is a great link that provides other links within it's text. :)

[L. Coyote]

14. I've noticed a few, like "Corrupt Bartards Club" that merit repeating daily!

Huckles called those who don't vote for him as "the others" in a sense that I wasn't certain I understood.
It was unpleasant to hear, reminding me of the laws that permitted enslaving non-Christians and taking their lands.

I think Huckles uses it in the same sense, in that Christian "believers" are distinct from "the others."

[conscious evolution]

22. Another good example of propaganda

tricks in action.

[dysfunctional press]

15. when have they not talked about their "values"...?

:shrug:

[theHandpuppet]

23. I guess I thought they'd try something new this year

But it looks as if they haven't abandoned the old ways yet.

[blondeatlast]

25. McCain isn't running for President, you know. He's running for Commander-in-Chief.

That jaw-dropping commercial, complete with enough hawkish platitudes to choke even Patton, ran in AZ prior to our primary.

First they used the fundies--now, it's chickenhawks whose military ecperience never went byond John Wayne movies.

[theHandpuppet]

31. I think McCain has a lot of PTSD issues

Seriously, I think the guy's psyche is irreparably damaged. You can see it in his face -- this is a haunted and angry man. What he needed a long time ago was serious mental health counseling. The last thing WE need is a guy like McCain with his finger on the nuclear trigger!

[blondeatlast]

33. I've watched him in AZ politics from the beginning. His temper is legendary--

I know local news people who draw straws to cover his appearances because he's been known to lash out pretty harshly.

[madinmaryland]

28. Heh. The old "Larry Craig" republican values!

:rofl:

I'm assuming they will take a wide stance on this!!

[spanone]

29. not to mention the 'mark foley' republican values or the david vitter republican values

[theHandpuppet]

32. Do you think we could catch Jean Schmidt with Ann Coulter??

Oh my God -- what am I saying??? As a gay woman that image is just too much for me to bear. :scared:

[Dhalgren]

50. Yeah, they are called "Wide-Stance Republicans" -

and I think they are in the majority in their Party, now...

[kentuck]

30. Yep...Obama doesn't even pledge allegiance to the flag...

and Michelle has never been proud to be an American until now. They are "anti-American". But this will not be said by the Republican candidates, only their surrogates.

[theHandpuppet]

46. kentuck, please watch the referrals to Democratic candidates

I don't want to have this thread locked. Thanks!

[w8liftinglady]

37. use McCain's words against him

“Hypocrisy, my friends, is the most obvious of political sins — and the people will punish it,” said Mr. McCain

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/17/us/politics/17mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

PROCEED TO SHOW HIS MULTIPLE FLIP_FLOPS:

McCain's "no new taxes" statement marked a turnaround. Last September, he was forced to defend his refusal to sign a no-new tax pledge offered by the conservative Americans for Tax Reform.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/02/mccain_says_no_new_taxes.php


* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February
* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.
* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

PROCEED TO SHOW HIS TEMPER FOR WHAT IT IS:

"F--- you," he shouted at Texas Sen. John Cornyn last year.

"Only an a------ would put together a budget like this," he told the former Budget Committee chairman, Sen. Pete Domenici, in 1999.

"I'm calling you a f------ jerk!" he once retorted to Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4301022

I'm sure more events will rear their ugly heads as time goes by...
oh,and by the way-Gun Owners DO NOT like Mccain:
http://www.gunowners.org/a020706.htm

[radfringe]

39. poppy's "endorsement" double edge

needs the bushies backing to reel in the few still drinking smirk-boy's kool-aid, but doesn't want to get too close and lose independents/moderates

which is all the more reason for Obama and Clinton to change the focus of their campaigns and draw the contrasts between themselves and mccain.

Start the "meme": McCain = More of the SAME

mcCain is the presumptive GOPer nominee, the remainder of the GOPer primaries amounts to running the bases after you've hit the ball out of the park. Going through the motions with no fear of being tagged out.

Although it is technically still a primary - McCain is really running a GE campaign. This means he has a 4 month head start on whoever the dem nominee will be.

He has 4 months to hone and frame and spin his attack messages.

Our dem leaders and all of us need to frame mccain now!

"If Bush 1: Read my Lips" made you squirm,
and "Bush 2: I'mma Uniter" has you pulling your hair out,
You'll be gouging your eyes out and gnawing at your fingers with
BUSH-3:MCCAIN-MORE OF THE SAME

[theHandpuppet]

40. At this point what is your guess as to why Huckabee's still running?

I can't figure this one out unless he's trying to gain some leverage with regards to legislation and/or appointments.

[w8liftinglady]

41. I think he plans to run again in 2012.

he's just mobilizing his base for the next election...you should see how the people around here(Texas) worship him.

[radfringe]

42. get a few more delegates to use as leverage

mccain may be the presumptive nominee, but he's not there yet. the huckster could still gain enough delegates to pose a problem with a smooth nomination process

IMHO - huckster is bucking for some spot in a mccain administration, and needs as much leverage as he can get

[conscious evolution]

44. Cult seems to be the newest example

Everyone knows that cult members are crazy.

[DainBramaged]

45. Cult is the new MSM code word to torpedo Obama

[conscious evolution]

47. The lieberal media?!?!?

I'm shocked I tell you.
If I were a betting man I would lay odds that term came from some riechwing think tank.

[BeHereNow]

48. Code for Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign relations NWO agenda.

GHW's endorsement of McCain ought to scare the
living crap out of every thinking person.
It means there is a VERY real choice he will
be the next pResident to serve the powers that be.
BHN

[Dhalgren]

52. Yeah, it scares the shit out of me...

:scared: