Why should I care about who McCain may or may not have slept with?

[cynatnite]

Stuff that goes on between consenting adults behind closed doors isn't my business no matter who they are or what party they belong to.

The war, torture, and all the other bullshit of bush's that McCain supports...I rank that as being important enough to yell about when it comes to making sure that man stays out of the WH. A lot of people will die if McCain's allowed in the WH.

Who he's sleeping with...nope. Don't care. Not. One. Bit.

[graywarrior]

1. It's the "lobbyist" connection that interests me.

[cynatnite]

5. From the looks around DU quite a few seem to care about the sex...

Even with the 'lobbyist' connection...This is such a nonstory to me. I honestly don't see it getting much traction anywhere. If it does, I'll be happy to be wrong.

[graywarrior]

12. It's a form of payback for the Kerry thing.

He deserves whatever he gets.

[swag]

2. It's not the sex,

it's the corruption.

[cynatnite]

11. It's always the sex...

Folks may deny it, but once they smell it, they won't let go.

Think back to a few years ago when Bill Clinton was running.

[swag]

19. But you're the exception! I applaud you!

[librechik]

3. what if he slept with a telecom lobbyist and then voted yea on pro-telecom stuff

would that make you think twice?

cuz that seems to be what happened (if NYT is correct)

[blondeatlast]

4. It's the banking, not the boinking...

Because the cosponsor of teh McCain/Feingold bill was so close to a lovely lobbyist even his handlers felt they needed to be separated?

[librechik]

7. LOL!

you are making me laugh tonight, BAL!

thanks, I needed that!

[blondeatlast]

13. Have you seen this one from Catwoman? Lordy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2897742&mesg_id=2897742

[Maddy McCall]

8. LOL.

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

16. You've gotta see this from Catwoman.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2897742&mesg_id=2897742

[napi21]

6. BECAUSE it will destroy his chances in getting the fundies to back him!

His connection with lobbiests is a possible crime, but if you are looking at the election, John needs the support of the fundies. If they stay home, he can't win!

[kanrok]

9. I agree...unless McCain is running on a "family values" platform

See here: http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/gary_bauer_joins_mccains_strai.html

Gary "family values" Bauer is a BIG supporter.

[NanceGreggs]

10. The point isn't that WE care (because most of us don't) ...

... the point is that the GOP "base" will care - and that means trouble for McCain and the Republicans.

After all, the Republican Party (as Bay Buchanan pointed out earlier tonight) is the party of "moral values".

Maybe CNN can put together a panel - Vitter, Foley, Cunningham, Abramoff, Craig, Jeff Gannon et al - to discuss the topic.

[cynatnite]

15. GOP and the fundie base only care when it's in their best interest...

they'll look the other way when it's one of their own. Mark Foley was going after minors for years before he got caught. Repukes like Hastert looked the other way.

[NanceGreggs]

21. Have to disagree on one point ...

... the GOP powers-that-be don't care - but their base voters DO. That's two completely different animals.

[cynatnite]

23. There is only one way that base will change their minds...

about their repukes....

If their heads are shaved and one of them has 666 tattooed behind an ear.

After all the corruption, war-mongering, torture and everything else that's gone on for the last seven years...none of that has made them budge one inch over their support for bush. A possible sex scandal sure won't do much once they make up their minds about McCain. Hell, I expect most of base to come out in droves to vote against a Dem rather than it be a vote of support for McCain.

They think we're the devil. :evilgrin:

[jazzjunkysue]

14. No one cares, anymore. That's what's wrong with the world.

Actually, I only care about who slept with John Edwards, in my DREAMS!

Yes! I ADMIT IT! I SLEPT WITH JOHN EDWARDS IN MY DREAMS!!!!!

And I'd do it again.......:smoke:

[better tomorrow]

17. it the lobbying, boss, not the plane

there is more to this story, I am sure. And, someday soon you should be concerned about what goes on behind consenting adults because already the government is looking behind those closed doors for some.....

[lumberjack_jeff]

18. Because it helps us win.

It's a fucked up world, but it's the one we live in.

[Jack Rabbit]

20. Not really

Frankly, I don't.

However, it would be naive to suppose those among the Christian fundamentalist wing of the Republican party, who cheered from the peanut gallery when Clinton was impeached over a tacky tryst, are going to go lock step with the Republican Party establishment in backing McCain for president in November.

I can think of better reasons to oppose John McCain, such as his pledge to remain in Iraq for a thousand years if that is what it takes to "get the job done." But I'll bet James Dobson can't.

[AZCat]

24. We'll see about Dobson.

I will not be surprised if he figures out a way to rationalize supporting McCain, should he win the Republican nomination.

[demgurl]

22. I contend this is something we should all care about.....

This is VERY important if McCain runs for office and we should all see the importance whether we are Democrats or Republicans.

The implications being made right now are bad enough. The NYT seems to think that McCain backed this lady because she was sleeping with him. This says a lot about his values - beside the fact that he has no values if he is once again cheating on a spouse. But there are far worse implications. McCain is putting this whole country at risk with his actions. If he had done this as President, he would be compromised and leave himself open to blackmail. This also applies to him being Senator but he could even more so be effected, as we would, if this happened as President.

This is not about sex, not at all. If he put himself out there as a family values candidate I would have trouble with him there as well, but he did not. This is a case of where we should be concerned that a person could compromise himself and therefore we as a nation could be compromised.

[cynatnite]

25. Who he sleeps with or doesn't sleep with is none of my business...

It wasn't my business who Bill Clinton had sex with. It's not your or anyone else's business.

What consenting adults do behind closed doors is no one's business.

I judge his values by his support of an immoral war, torture, and other repugnant bush policies. I sure as hell don't need his sex life to tell me what kind of man he is. There is enough without it to tell me he's not a moral man.

[demgurl]

38. I think it is our business and we better start paying attention....

Let me strip away everything else I posted and put the really important part here:

John McCain compromises us and our country when he does anything illegal and/or immoral. We can be compromised by him voting against citizen's best interests as is demonstrated in this instance. Or he can be compromised by being blackmailed. This is an issue whether it is Bill Clinton or John McCain. It should scare the hell out of everyone that another country could set up a weak President so they can be blackmailed into acting against your and my best interest.

I say the fact that it is intimated that John McCain voted against us, the American people, is my business. When he takes a pretty young thing to bed and then votes in her best interest, that is NOT representing the people.

When a man could become President and be blackmailed because of not being able to keep his zipper up, that is my business because he may screw 'we the people' over because he has now placed himself in a position to be blackmailed.

How can all of this - the detriment of the American people, possibly be none of our business. How can it not be our business when he did a lobbyist and then voted the way she wanted instead of us?

Maybe I am not being clear. What if someone paid off John McCain to vote the way he did? That would be wrong, right? Well, she did pay him off so to speak! She may not have paid him with money but she did pay him and he voted as she wanted. How is that not our business?

I usually believe what goes on behind doors is not my business but when it has the possibility of screwing me over and ruining my country then I take offense and want no part of it.

Consenting adults did Watergate behind closed doors but I consider that my business as well.

You may feel that compromising votes and leaving yourself open to blackmail is a moral issue but I do not see it that way. I hope you will reconsider.

[seabeyond]

26. for a decade i have been lectured on christianity and moral values, and have been told i dont have

them and the mccains of the world does have them. and they have been winning votes because of these so called morals they have been preaching on the rest of the nation. our party did not bring in christian values into the politics. the republicans did. if they are going to accuse me of not having them, they had better damn well not be fucking women that are not their wife.

[MiniMe]

27. Its his activities on behalf of Miss Vicki

Read this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2899629

[cynatnite]

29. She's a lobbyist...

You can add the names of a thousand lobbyists who influenced and bought politicians as well. Some with sex and some not.

I can't believe some folks think this is somehow new. :rofl: Lobbyists and politicians have a history of unsavory relationships whether they involve sex or not.

[verges]

36. NO, of course it's not new.

Nor is it right. And when it is exposed, it should be discussed. thoroughly.

[MercutioATC]

28. I don't care who a politician fucks as long as it's not me.

It applied to Clinton (Bill), it applies to McCain.

[margotb822]

30. Judgement?

A sense of responsibility? These are some things that I'd like to see in a President. I think that's why you might want to care.

[cynatnite]

32. I don't care about a politician's private life...

as long as it's between consenting adults...it does not concern me.

I didn't care when Bill Clinton cheated on Hillary. It wasn't my business and had no impact on me at all. He was still a decent president.

The war, torture and other repugnant bush policies...as far as we know bush never cheated on his wife...how does he rate as a president?

[margotb822]

33. I just think it shows a lack of respect

And we all know Bush had no integrity when he came into office. These are just my thoughts.

People are free to do what they will. It's when it starts affecting others that it becomes a problem. I just want to make sure we get a president with a full deck this time around.

[cynatnite]

34. In your opinion...

extramarital affairs happen for a lot of different reasons, but it's still a private matter between those involved. We aren't privy to the details and we shouldn't be.

Cheating isn't on the radar of importance for me.

[margotb822]

35. They don't call it "public life" for nothing

And we can thank our ratings hungry media for reporting less than the real news...

[pansypoo53219]

31. but but but, the gnews waves jazz hands

look look! pay attention! ratings! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

37. It doesn't matter if you, or I or anyone here cares about it.

Neither he nor his campaign gives a flip how we feel. It's how the Republican voters feel that matters. He's already having a hard time with the religious Republican base, this isn't going to help his situation.

[quakerboy]

39. it matters

when its the closed doors of the senate. Its not the(possible) sex. Its what the (possible) sex paid for.

[Skittles]

40. I don't care much either but

I believe the reason is because of the "holier than thou" party that actively trashes, for example, homosexuals for their "values" - well, when repukes have sex scandals it is just more proof of their sheer hypocrisy

[BoneDaddy]

41. I do not care who he slept with but...

I care about whether his vote for the people she lobbied for was bought through a sexual relationship.