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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:23 AM
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Times Has On-The-Record Confirmation That McCain Is Lying
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 11:01 AM by kpete
McCain denies knowing anything about meeting between his staffer, John Weaver, and Ms. Iseman, although Weaver did tell top McCain aides in December


WaPo and Howard Kurtz

The Times has an on-the-record confirmation from John Weaver, McCain's former top strategist, regarding an aide to the senator warning Iseman at a Union Station meeting to stay away from the boss. Weaver e-mailed that he arranged the meeting after "a discussion among the campaign leadership" about her...

The McCain/Bennett strategy, of course, is to make the Times the issue. The senator's statement doesn't deny any of the specifics in the piece.

As for the political fallout, the issue should be the confirmable facts and what they say, or don't say, about McCain's run for the presidency. In Bill Clinton's case it turned out to be quite relevant, and he had sexual relations with that woman, and some others. In this case, we have two people who deny such a relationship.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022100800.html
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:25 AM
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1. Keep it comin'
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:25 AM
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2. MSNBC is saying Weaver has just said he's not the source of this story
There's an unnamed source but Weaver said everything he told the Times was on record. I wonder who the unnamed source is?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:26 AM
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3. Wait.....Weaver just stated he is NOT the source.
So...what is this email that the NYT cites?
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:30 AM
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5. He's not the anonymous source. Everything Weaver said was on the record.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:54 AM
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14. Weaver also says that his conversation with lobbyist had nothing to do with a physical relationship
Former McCain aide speaks out on Times report

Posted: 10:30 AM ET
(CNN) — Former McCain political adviser John Weaver confirms to CNN that he did approach lobbyist Vicki Iseman about eight years ago, during McCain’s first presidential run, and told her she was threatening to undermine the heart of McCain’s campaign – that he is a reformer.

Weaver says he arranged the meeting with Iseman — first reported by the New York Times — out of concern that she was “telling people around town” she was getting access to, and had influence with, McCain that Weaver says she did not have.

But Weaver insists he never talked to or asked Iseman about any romantic relationship with McCain because “there was no reason to.”

“My concern wasn’t about anything John had done, it was about her comments it was about access she claimed to have had,” Weaver told CNN. “I had no reason to question her about anything that is implied in the New York Times story.”


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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:22 AM
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23. The sex angle is what got the story noticed.
It doesn't matter if it's true or not when what's important is whether McCain whored himself out to a lobbyist and her clients for political contributions, but if sex and infidelity are all the Rethuglicans can wrap their tiny minds around, then that's what we need to feed them.

Judging from comparisons of her client list and his donor list, it's not a stretch to say McCain is a true Republican, through and through - a complete and utter hypocrite to the core of his being who will do or say anything to get elected, talk out both sides of his mouth while playing the harmonica with his ass and sell his constituents twice over for thirty pieces of silver - Simultaneously.

If it's the sex angle that takes him out, so be it, but it's the less glamorous yet far sleazier deals he's made with corporate donors that should disqualify his ever running for public office again, especially in light of FISA and the ongoing threat to our Constitutional rights.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:55 AM
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16. Thanks for the clarification....
...this was confusing when I first heard.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:26 AM
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4. Care was taken by NYT: Kurtz Carried McCain's Link to Lobbyist Rumor Last December
NEW YORK Howard Kurtz, the media reporter for The Washington Post, covered rumors about SEn. John McCain's link to a then-unnamed female lobbyist in a story last December 21.

The story burst in full bloom tonight with The New York Times carrying a prominent story on its Web site.

Here is an excerpt ......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2900473
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:53 PM
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22. The TImes was very smart
The story is the lobbying scandal but other than DUers, who would have paid attention without a little sex thrown in.
This story is not going away.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:31 AM
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6. I hope we can keep the focus on McCain's unethical behavior and minimize the scandal discussions.
Having sex with someone who isn't your wife is interesting, but it is not relevant to one's qualifications for the presidency.

However, having a personal relationship of this nature with someone representing a business interest in your Congressional committee is highly relevant to McCain's presidential aspirations. THAT's the story!
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:32 AM
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7. And I strongly agree with you.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:47 AM
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11. it's one thing to have an affair
it's a whole other thing to use public office to further the career of anyone. The fact that mccain may, or may not, have been thinking with his little head when doing his job is what matters.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:59 AM
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19. It's the bank, not the boink. exactly. nt
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:34 AM
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8. Hopefully this will bring the McCain camp down and the pugs with them
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:37 AM
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9. "and some others" ???
Gee, sometimes the hatred of the Republicamn Party for certain individuals is a wonder to behold. They are out o kill theor own nominee. And By god, I think they will do it!
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:41 AM
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10. Is this where Mitt Romney steps in and unsuspends his campaign?
He has a fair number of delegates. Can he mathematically catch up? Huckabee has held McCain at bay from clinching the number needed to win the nomination.

I'm probably dreaming, but it certainly would be an interesting scene of chaos. And ever since I saw Romney ascend the presidential podium at Poppy Bush's library, I swore that the establishment-backed candidate would be the candidate.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:51 AM
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12. "I am PROUD to be perfect." - Mitty
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 11:52 AM by SpiralHawk
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:55 AM
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17. That'd be sooo sweet.
I want me some Mittens!
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:54 AM
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13. K&R #4 n/t
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:55 AM
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15. In Bill Clinton's case it turned out to be quite relevant,
Relevant to what. What the hell was Clinton's Blowjob relevant to? He wasn't running for office, he wasn't Lying us into some killing field somewhere. WTF was Clinton's sex life relevant too?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:56 AM
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18. McLame sure was blinking and smiling alot
Just like BUSH does when he lies.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:47 PM
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21. His tone of voice oozed dishonesty. n/t
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:25 PM
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20. It's weird to see the media go after a Republican nominee with a sex scandal.
It makes one wonder what Machiavellian plot the backstory actually is.
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