One man's opinion-lay off Cindy McCain

[underpants]

I know I know I know they tore apart Hillary for a full decade they attacked Teresa Heinz-Kerry and THEY even used Cindy McCain's drug addiction in 2000 (So.Carolina) but that doesn't mean we should do it.

Not only is it not right it is going to make US look bad. By that I mean petty and mean and spiteful. And by "US" I mean anyone on the left.

Look I know that she stole drugs from her own charity medical supplies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Hensley_McCain
I know that she basically manufactured John's political life
I know that she bought their condo (there are several parallels to the talking points THEY used towards the Kerry's in 2004)

but any of that just looks childish.

We are supposed to be ushering in the discussion of issues rather than personality and perception driven gladhanding tours (even if our politicians aren't following suit yet) so attacking somone's wife isn't going to help there either.

I'm just saying IN MY OPINION lay off Cindy McCain.

[Virginia Dare]

1. .....

:dilemma:

[RebelOne]

2. Amen. I couldn't have said it better. n/t

[Hepburn]

3. IMO....

...when Cindy McCain bashed Michelle Obama, Cindy made herself fair game. If Cindy did not wish to make herself a target, then she needed to keep her botoxed lips shut.

JMHO

[fascisthunter]

5. valid point (nt)

[underpants]

7. Okay that is a good point

and I have noticed that if I didn't know any better I would have thought that Cindy was the VP choice (she has been in every camera shot with him over the last week) but still I just don't think that going down to that level helps us.

Sure the spouses make speeches and that is fine just let them have that and lay off. MY OPINION.

[TwilightGardener]

10. Yep. I'll lay off the Stepford Wife when she lays off Obama's wife.

[IsItJustMe]

27. My thoughts exactly. She is a part of the problem, fair game.

[TooBigaTent]

4. She is an issue in that she represents the hypocrisy of the amoral right. Have an

affair with a former POW while he is still married to the wife that stood by him while he was staying at the Hanoi Hilton.

Then marry the creep after he dumps wifey #1.

This does reflect on him as well as her.

[liberal N proud]

8. Makes her fair game

[blondeatlast]

17. And she knew he was married--and how did an Arizona heiress hook up with a Florida

ex-POW?

She's as in this as he is and more ambitious, IMHO.

[bunkerbuster1]

6. Eh, it's a double-edged sword...

I don't much care for the tender sensibilities of the fascist pricks who "monitor" this site for what they consider to be hate speech lobbed in here.

And I have no problem with discussions getting silly and trivial. We've got a week and a half before The Big Ones in TX and OH to sort through this crap.

But yeah, it can get out of hand and overboard, and if it spills out to the MSM a little too much, there will be a sympathy vote for her. Might as well acknowledge that. So, your point is well taken.

[blondeatlast]

9. Remeber all the allegations that Hillary was the manipulator?

I think we may find that Mrs. Hensley Mccain is much more so. The Hensley's were already thick in the Republican machine in Arizona and without Cindy, there'd be no "MavericK" McCain. SHE has the money and her family had the connections.

She's fair game since she's an adult.

[Cerridwen]

11. She used her financial, familial, and political influence to destroy a man's career

and his life. She used the names and DEA numbers of 2 or 3 physicians to obtain her drugs; putting each physician in danger of criminal charges and losing their licenses.

She used the influence and money of a non-profit organization to aid her in the crimes mentioned above; and they ARE crimes. She used her political influence to launch federal investigations into the very people she used to get her drugs.

Her makeup, her hair, her eyes, and whatever she wears are moot and hardly worth mentioning though I notice some focus on them. Her crimes should be shouted far and wide.

Unless you can show me where Teresa Heinz-Kerry and Senator Clinton actually committed crimes (and I don't mean the debacle that was the ken starr investigation), I think your analogy doesn't hold up.

In MY opinion.

[underpants]

18. Good points

I have a different opinion but you made you case very well.

IMHO

[Cerridwen]

28. Thank you.

I should note here, I do understand what you're saying. I agree with it; in part.

Many here are playing at "fighting fire with fire"; rather than staying on message and pointing out her crimes over and over and over (that's how you make a "talking point" stick), they are falling into the childish and worthless "she's a manipulator", "she's the power behind the man" kind of crap the (the media and whatever spin-machine) have used against strong and influential women since time began.

I think if we combined our opinions, we might find an effective strategy in this political morass that is the "election season". For example, leave off the "she's a manipulating bitch" crap and focus and repeat "she's a criminal". Stay on message; just select the message more carefully.

IMO (if I ever use Humble, people who know me bust out laughing). LOL

[DainBramaged]

12. Sure

When the Reich wing lays off Hillary, Obama, and anyone else they have in their sights.

You think they are going to play fair with OUR candidate? I guess them controlling Congress from 1994 till 2006 was the result of taking the higher ground.:rofl:

This is war. Get used to it.

[leftofthedial]

13. "lay" "off"

yer killing me!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:crazy: :crazy: :puke:

[radfringe]

14. for a DUer with the name UNDERPANTS... I think

the subtle nature of your post kinda went over people's head...

nudge nudge wink wink wink know what I mean, heh?

maybe you have to be OVERPANTS and less subtle?

[underpants]

30. No subtle nature intended

Seriously. Although some of the posts on this thread are pulling me towards the darkside

[tularetom]

15. I would never make an issue out of the fact that she stole drugs

from a charity she created.

And I would never make an issue out off the fact that she fired the guy who blew the whistle on her for doing it.

I would never bring these things up.

[blondeatlast]

20. Indeed, please don't--and don't refer to this article while you avoid the issue:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1994-09-08/news/opiate-for-the-mrs/

[elehhhhna]

42. Gotta say it; the most clever junkie I ever heard of.

[WinkyDink]

16. Nope, no can do. It's just too delicious, too Judy Giuliani, to let go.

Too "family values".

[melody]

19. She is being used by the McCain forces to prop up their candidate -- she's fair game

If she stayed back and didn't enter the game, I'd agree with you, but she's out there trying to sway the
public.

[endarkenment]

21. Nope: she entered the fray, she is fair game.

Cindy cannot take pot shots at our side and waive an immunity card. Politics is dirty business, stop being so concerned about their feelings.

[AndyTiedye]

22. Yeah, That Sort of thing Only Works When Repiglickins Do It

[guitar man]

23. I agree

We have them on the issues, plain and simple. MaCain's politics represent an ideology of failure that stretches from the Reagan years all the way to the ash heap we find our country has become today. Let the loud mouthed right wing punks lob personal attacks, that's not only their style, it's all they have left now and it has worn very thin.

If we stick to the fact that 30 years of neoconservative policy have led us into this hole, I believe we will emerge victorious.

[Stinky The Clown]

24. My "other cheek" is bloodied from all these years of turning it

I have no more left.

I understand clearly what you're saying and the decent person in me says that's what to do.

But the old, angry, shit-on-for-way-too-fucking-long liberal in me says fuck 'em. There's nothing too nasty.

See, here's the thing ..... nobody cares about issues. (<--- hyperbole) Its about pop culture and sleaze and scandal and blow jobs and sleeping with a lobbyist and being the 'other woman' who then becomes the money ticket for a worthless hack who she builds into a senator, and in her wildest dreams, a president. And don't forget that she's no civilian. Her family's been politically active forever. She is no elegant, shy, retiring, reluctant housewife thrust into the limelight.

[blondeatlast]

29. Wish I'd said that. I'm rather saddened that I feel the need to

have brought out the charity fraud for drugs thing, but I saw the "genteel" Mrs. McCain theme coming a mile away. Her family was thick with the mob, she's a college educated woman worth tens of millions, and she fucked him while she KNEW he was still married.

I'm sick of sucking it up when all's fair on their side. I'lll stay away from the kids unless they are adults and actively campaigning (yes, Chelsea Clinton is fair game NOW), but not the adults. No one is forcing her into this role--she wants it. Badly.

[shain from kane]

25. Hey, while she was in rehab, he was screwing around with another woman. So I'm gonna show

some sympathy for her. Now, she is being confronted with the reality of her situation.


While Gingrich's wife was in the hospital, he was screwing around on her, and planning a divorce.

[Justitia]

26. Cindy McCain was an ACTIVE PARTICIPANT in the Keating 5 scandal, she got away scot free on that.

Her own, separate money was involved, she did the "bookkeeping" for the corrupt bastards involved, and she refused / could not produce evidence to the federal investigators involved.
She was an active participant in the crime and her involvement in the matter was never prosecuted.

Her theft of drugs from her own medical charity constituted a federal crime and she weaseled her way out of that via her husband's political connections.

Cindy McCain is VERY MUCH A POLITICAL PLAYER and just as corrupt in that vein as her scummy husband.

[monmouth]

31. The minute Cindo opened her mouth, especially her dig at Michelle, well...sorry..n/t

[blondeatlast]

32. the fact that she sould say that, as an overprivileged white woman with deep political ties and

scads of money, could presume that everyone has lived the same America put me over the edge. she grew up on the grounds of the gated, old money Phoenix Country Club and has never known want or bigotry. :mad:

I'm a WASP but grew up just above working-class (my parents were public servants).I know what it is to suffer--and I'm not brown-skinned.

I'm enjoying this karma for Cindy Hensley-McCain, husband stealer. Pass the popcorn.

[monmouth]

35. I live in W. Palm, worked in Palm Beach....Lots of Cindi's (trophy wives)...

They often forget their roots after they've snagged the old man. Some were hookers (not that there's anything wrong with that, we all have to make a living)and have other questionable backgrounds. That all goes away when they marry "the rich old man." Nice to have a reminder once in a while..

[0007]

33. Good point and I'll try to remember that.

I've already made one bad about Cindy and mannequins.

I'll rectify it by doing ten "Hail Mary's" & twenty five "Our Fathers" when I join the Catholic Church. WTF!! I'll do it anyway.

[baldguy]

34. Cindy McCain should be shown exactly the same amount of respect

that Hillary Clinton got & continues to receive from the RW media.

[dommyluc]

36. To hell with Cindy

If she can't stand the heat, she should stay home and bake brownies and down some more prescription pain killers. After nearly 20 years of the RW going after Hillary Clinton, and after Cindy's remarks about Michelle Obama, we're supposed to lay off? Fuck her! Just remember this the next time some family- values Rethug tries to defend her: SHE'S THE OTHER WOMAN! Yeah, John McCain, Mr. Integrity, would NEVER have an affair! Heavens to Murgatroid! The SOB is just as selfish, greedy and corrupt as any other lobbyist-kissing politician, and that is the TRUE point of this whole story - John McCain is a tool of the lobbyistsa that he so hilariously distances himself from. I hope they rip him to shreds. I can't stand that hypocritical bastard, and that zombie Stepford Wife of his, too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. That's what I thought when Bush did it in 2000.

I thought it was sick to go after his wife's substance abuse problem.

That was before I realized she'd been embezzling money from a charity to feed that drug problem.

[Beausoir]

38. I was about to defend her against those who trash her because of her past addiction. That's not

really cool. BUT...then I thought back at all the times I have trashed Limbaugh for his addiction and I realized I was talking out of both sides of my mouth.


She sat through the trashing of her own daughter at the hands of Karl Rove in SC and willingy sucked right back up to Bush.

She deserves it.

[Pastiche423]

39. When I think of the unbelievable amount of people

serving time in prisons for possession of marijuana and then think of Cindy stealing DEA numbers and writing prescription under doctors names that knew nothing about her doing that, it makes me furious.

Do Americans want a 1st Lady that served no time for her crimes in our White House?

On top of that, she ruined a man's life who was only trying to do what was legal and protect his career.

Sorry, I am sick and fucking tired of the wealthy getting away w/the very thing that ruins the lives of the have nots.

I will not shut up.

[JNelson6563]

40. She injected HERSELF into the fray

She had to fling some shit at that uppity Michelle Obama, now she's in the arena.

Welcome to the battle Cindy, me thinks you will regret entering.

Julie

[Vektor]

41. One nice thing I can say about Cindy...

Her recipes on McCain's website look pretty appetizing, particularly the rosemary chicken.

Also, I tend to avoid making fun of the candidates' families, and instead focus on the candidates' positions on issues.

The one person I cannot avoid criticizing, though, is David "Dog Killer" Huckabee.

Now there's a sicko. Once you torture an animal to death, you're indeed fair game.

[Ikonoklast]

43. You mean her personal chefs' recipes

If Trophy Wife Cindi ever picked up a spatula once in her pampered life, I'd need notarized proof from three eyewitnesses in order to believe it.

[Vektor]

44. Could be - I don't know.

Either way, they look good. Mind you, I'm not about to run out and vote Republican over it, but I do love some rosemary chicken.

That aside, I do know plenty of well off women who thoroughly enjoy cooking, but if Cindy is one of them, I don't know. :shrug:

[butterfly77]

45. No. She started it...

[Fluffdaddy]

46. Stepford Wife in her $5000 red suit. I will not lay-off now that she

placed herself in the fight this week.

[AnnieBW]

47. Careful...

she'll kill you with the laser beams that can shoot out of her eyes.

[Fluffdaddy]

48. Ice Princess