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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:17 PM Original message |
Where's the Debate Over Gun Control? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. Salon is just plain wrong re: Dean's position on GC |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Would you accept that position on abortion as well? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Abortions are in fact regulated by states now |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Only somewhat |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Yes, with open state borders some regulations are unenforcable |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I feel the same way about abortion |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. It's a little more complicated |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Not really, its about giving states power over rights acknowledged to be in the Federal Constitution |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. There is a lot of wiggle room in the "right to bear arms" |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. And there is more in the Penumbra of the Constitution |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. I am hoping none of our candidates |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I am hoping all of our candidates will address this lack... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The 2004 Dem Party platform says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms" |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. that would seem to buttress the article's point that there's no real debate anymore... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Hillary and BO have anti-RKBA histories. If voters perceive them as anti-RKBA, it could cost our |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
59. Well, I'm no Yellow Dog democrat, Jody. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. The Dem Party supports the 2nd Amendment and that means law-abiding citizens exercising their |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. Oops, double post. (n/t) |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
74. ...which would ensure the gains of 2006 and 2008 would be soon undone. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. The discussion of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (RKBA) is alive and ongoing here on DU. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Why does the RKBA debate always devolve into black and white? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Perhaps because it is a polarizing issue, e.g. one group wishes to keep and bear arms for |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. There are shades of gray that extend far beyond handguns. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. RKBA is like abortion, there is no compromise except pro-choice. Today in the majority of states, |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Of course there is compromise. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I believe every law-abiding citizen has the inalienable right to keep and bear arms in every |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Does every law-abiding citizen have the right to own automatic weapons? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. "Please explain how your compromise will work" n/t |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. You're being obtuse. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. You say "Of course there is compromise." What is it? n/t |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. There are many possibilites of allowing handgun ownership |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. What is your compromise? n/t |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. You mean what's my position? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. No, what's your compromise for those who want to exercise RKBA for self-defense and those who would |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Let me get this straight |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I'm still waiting for your compromise between those who would ban all guns and those who want RKBA |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. OMG. OK here's one: |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You ignore those who would ban all guns. You said there is a compromise, so what is it? n/t |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. You're right. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. OK, you've admitted you were wrong in saying "Of course there is compromise." I'll let you off the |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Wow. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. That one-month waiting period implies a presumption of guilt |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. That's nice. That's your interpretation. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Don't rewrite the Second Amendment - reread it |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I know it by heart |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #46 |
63. And Rereading The Second Amendment..... |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. We DON'T need to wait for the Supreme Court's "interpretation"...The legislature already agreed on |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Right here... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:01 AM Response to Reply #38 |
60. A right delayed is a right denied. N/T. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-25-08 02:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
82. "their should be a significant (at least 1 month) waiting period" |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
72. Why does the RKBA debate always devolve into black and white, you ask... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
77. OK, how much gun control do we have to support |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. Stifled by the NRA, as usual. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
9. CNN Election Center 2008 has positions |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Good link and the positions of Hillary and BO on RKBA could cost them the election. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Indeed - Both have positions that many people view as Draconian |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. So a law-abiding citizen is punished by being "allowed" one gun a month... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Law enforcement can do lots of things you can't. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Not until you tell me why you "need" to get your news from blogs like DU and DailyKos... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Good point |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Here's what I'd like to see... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I thought the 1934 NFA banned full-auto? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. NFA doesn't exactly outlaw full-auto - but it heavily regulates it |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I can't believe the sell full auto weapons. |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. They Sell Them, All Right |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. The NFA as currently implemented is overkill |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. End The Moratorium And You Make Them Cheaper..... |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-25-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Before the 1986 ban, there was one crime with a legal machinegun... |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. If it makes you feel any better... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. Irrelevant.. |
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Lex1775 (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
19. Paul Helmke is full of shit. |
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texasleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
21. I'm sure candidate Nader can pick up the mantle |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
24. No debate - they are sworn to support the constitution. Now that we KNOW the 2nd means what it says, |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
29. No debate! The right to own guns is a LIBERAL idea! and LIBERAL |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #29 |
66. Tell You What..... |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Liberals believe in personal freedoms. |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
65. There doesn't need to be any debate. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
80. "Any more questions?" |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
69. If we want to win, we have to be pro-gun. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I think *not* anti-gun will suffice. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
75. What's to debate? enforce current laws and provide better mental health care |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
76. The conservative roots of U.S. gun control... |
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Mamacrat (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
81. self delete |
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