McCain - #894 of 899 at the Naval Academy

[alcuno]

I just cannot get enough of that statistic. And people are afraid of him besting a Constitutional lawyer? He couldn't even beat George Bush, a "C" student, in debates.

894 of 899

[UrbScotty]

1. Hey, I thought Gore or Kerry would both beat W.

Well, you could say they both did.

[Psephos]

2. Patton was dead last in his class at West Point

Book smarts aren't street smarts. McCain will be a tough opponent.

[spotbird]

3. Not a great example. nt

[Psephos]

7. Not a persuasive argument n/t

[hobbit709]

8. Then use Custer

[Thothmes]

30. George Custer

was the youngest Brigadier General in the United States Army. His Civil War record as a cavalry commander was one of the best.

[wolfgangmo]

29. Patton is an excellent analogy

McInsane is just like old blood and guts.



Both nuts.

[Omega3]

4. most ppl don't really pay that much attention to the debates, many ppl here do b/c we're poli junkie

s, but most don't sit there and weigh the preformances of the candidates and change how they'll vote. I just don't think most voters are that "heady" like most of us. If that were the case, John Edwards would have seen a bigger jump in the polling after the debates.

[msedano]

5. You know what they call the guy who finished last in the class?

Sir.

You might want to look at why the guy got his ass shot out of the sky.

[Ishoutandscream2]

6. Will Amurka want to have a beer with this flunkie, too?

Lord, help us.

[UTUSN]

9. AND he got shot down, plus set fire to the Forrestal, like Poppy BUSH n/t

[BigDaddy44]

16. Thats over the line

I think McCain is dangerous, but he did not set fire to the Forrestal. Over 100 guys died, but he had absolutely nothing to do with it. He just happened to be sitting in his plane.

Please, this is not an appropriate comment.

[provis99]

10. thus McCain began his tremendous rise to world-famous mediocrity...

[L. Coyote]

11. I have to go with summa cum laude graduates instead, especially when the University

has noteworthy academic rank.

[cloudbase]

12. I wouldn't hold his class rank against him.

It's quite an exercise to just get in to one of the academies. Once in, there are regimental demands and responsibilities on top of rather rigorous academic burdens. Just graduating is an accomplishment.

[TahitiNut]

13. The entering class at Annapolis was probably 1500 midshipmen in those days.

The washout rate was that high ... and Annapolis attracted some good folks. (Ask ProudDad.) Class of '58 was during the heydey of service academy popularity. While many midshipmen were athletic scholarships and many were appointed by Senators and Congressmen with little attention to aptitude, many/most appointments were based on academic performance and competitive examinations. Clearly, he's no brain surgeon but Annapolis really didn't graduate people as rock hard stupid and lazy like Smirk. (Smirk wouldn't have lasted a month - even if he got in by some miracle.) So ... I pretty much reject the comparison. I know about the Yalies of Smirk's day ... a LOT of assholes and party boys. McCain's problems at the academy were rebelliousness and conduct ... not likely to curry the fond regard of instructors. I don't regard McCain's weakness as innate intelligence ... but more like arrogance and pugnaciousness. It's also probably why he's a Republican (besides family tradition) ... arrogance. I'm pretty sure he's a Social Darwinist ... a "let the weak die" fellow.

[lurky]

14. His father was an admiral.

Maybe McCain was an exceptional candidate, but then again, maybe he wasn't. Nobody wants to reject an admiral's kid. Just sayin'... :shrug:

[704wipes]

15. McCain - Navy Pilot - more takeoffs than landings

in multi-million dollar planes... He should have been flying the obsolete shit with Georgie Boy down in Alabama...of course when your daddy is an admiral, they roll another one out on the flight deck and get the hell outta your way !!

Maybe we should call him John McCrash.

[B Calm]

17. I heard he crashed five planes..

McCain lost FIVE US AircraftsMcCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. ... There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7000 ...
www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_mccain_lost_five_u.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

[ConcernedCanuk]

20. From your own link, he really only crashed 3

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First off, I am not a McCain supporter, nor any Republican for that matter.

But fair is fair.

From your link:

"McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile
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Looks like his 4th "crash", which was while he was sitting in his plane, was the fault of another US pilot - hmm - was GeeDubya there?

oh no that's right

GW never actually "served"

And McCain's 5th "crash"

was being stupid enough to sit still in front of a SAM?

Republicans are bad enough, there is no need to exaggerate their faults.

But something to consider -

McCain is a survivor, he ain't no pussycat.

Never underestimate your adversary.

BAD mistake . . .

[Psephos]

21. good post

"Never underestimate your adversary." Says it all.

[Zynx]

23. Please don't post from websites like that.

[ConcernedCanuk]

24. I got mixed feelings on that, we DO need to know what the others are thinking.

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And that website, slanted, granted

Did give the facts?

We have to be able to sift out the facts from the opinion.

I have NOBODY on ignore here,

I wanna know what the "bad apples" wanna say.

I do have enough self-discipline not to get involved in flame wars.

Suggestion though,

If you want to advise someone not to post from a certain source

Give an explanation?

Websites "like that" leaves me with the question

"Like what?"

I don't want a response - PM the person with your advice maybe?

Or me.

Some of the posts would be better in PMs than in the forum

I don't respond to flames or unwarranted attacks.

It's non productive IMO.

[Zynx]

27. When I say "websites like that" I mean really wild and crazy attacks on the candidates.

For example, if someone started a website "barackobamaworshipssatan.com" and it posted all kinds of garbage, I would be angry if someone posted from there. We don't need to delve into the gutter to beat McCain.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. Look at his Navy record, too. The best he can do is aspire to mediocrity

He did some commendable shit at the Hanoi Hilton ..... but that's it. The rest of his career was shit. His father was CINCPAC and his grandfather was an admiral ......... and he couldn't get a star - even after all the medals he got in Viet Nam. As a senator (a career bought and paid for by a wealthy trust fund wife who is a lifelong political operative, recovering drug addict, and unindicted felon) he'd been a sham. A mainline corrupt politician posing as a maverick and as one who is ethically superior.

He's actually just dog shit with feet.

[Catshrink]

19. I thought we'd beat Raygun too.

We can't get cocky, even if the repuke nominee is the über douchebag.

[Zynx]

22. I'll never know why people think Reagan was a dummy.

He wasn't. He acted silly and stupid, but he knew that was endearing to more people than it turned off.

[berni_mccoy]

25. I have to disagree with the premise of this thread. Here are some stats for you.

For each of the military academies, West Point, Air Force Academy and the Naval Academy, out of about 13,000 applicants yearly, each academy accepts about 3000 'plebes' or first years.

Out of those 3000, fewer than 1000 make it through the academy.

It is an *extremely* challenging environment, and even the last cadet in his class should be proud of the accomplishment. They must go through some of the strictest soldier training and then officer training. They are the cream of the crop.

Even some of the drop-outs do well in life. Edgar Allen Poe was a West Point drop out.

Here are some notable non-graduating drop-outs of West Point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notable_non-graduate_alumni_of_West_Point

Do not attack McCain on this issue.

I know what an accomplishment it is to graduate from there. I'm a West Point drop out myself.

[ruiner4u]

26. thank you...

[Psephos]

28. best post of the thread n/t