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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:47 PM
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My thanks to DU Baby Boomers and a few recollections of my own to share
It was fun taking the mental trip back to the sixties with you all. You helped me remember a lot of things I'd forgotten and it was an educational and entertaining journey.

I was one of the early births of what is now known as Generation X, raised in a household that, while not specifically "hippie" in concept, certainly drew more than a little from their ideology. My dad and stepmom went "back to the land" to a great extent, buying and maintaining a small ranch with their own garden, canning, and keeping goats, chickens, pigs, and rabbits for food stock and milk. I'm one of the few people I know that had his own horse as a kid.

My dad was a war vet, and exhibited a lot of the signs of PTSD, though none of us really understood that at the time. All I knew was that he was rather volatile, and one NEVER woke him up while standing too close.

My memories of the hippies came from the very early seventies and the young people who hung around our houses in San Jose before my parents packed up and moved to Central Oregon in '73. A LOT of really memorable people--memorable enough that a young kid can still drift back to recall bits and pieces of a long-gone era, an era of idealism, alternate spirituality, music (every group had at least ONE guitar player in it, as I recall), and hope.

I, of course, came of age in the eighties. A totally different era, as everyone knows. While you had the Beatles, The Who, and the Stones, we had Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Metallica. This was, of course, before Metallica went commercial--"sold out," in popular parlance.

We had our own spirit of "Fuck the Man," though it was more militant in some respects, or at least, more savage in appearance. I lived for some years in a "low-income" housing development in a distant suburb of Seattle, on that was, in retrospect, startlingly white. But it was firmly working class, with a smattering of welfare folks, some of whom supplemented their incomes in unconventional ways.

We would party more or less openly, we teenagers, gathering in the woods around the clubhouse (the local community center with its grungy pool and battered old pool tables inside) as dusk fell. It was a BYO affair. If cops showed up, we'd all scattered, making great use of the surrounding woods, trails, and cul-de-sacs to evade them.

We had our criminal elements, of course. The thieves, car prowlers, the dealers in things other than pot or hashish, and general punks looking for a fight wherever they could find one. Being a guy meant having to prove oneself at least a time or two. We weren't peaceniks or pacifists by any measure. We couldn't afford to be.

The local high school had a smoking area, a square area about thirty feet to a side, fenced off with chain link like a dog run. Any time class wasn't in session, you could find people there, smoking cigs and other things. The teachers and administrators avoided it like the plague. What we did there was our own business.

We resisted pep rallys and all that nonsense, at least those of us who were "cool," those of those on the fringes of our little society. We openly mocked the school, flaunted its rules, wore tee-shirts advertising beer, cursed in public, and let our hair grow. We spat in the general directon of Reagan and Reaganomics, and said "Yes" when Nancy said "Just Say No." We distrusted the authorities--ANY authorities--and bent and broke rules with near impugnity.

But for all of that many of us tried to treat individual people with respect. We didn't spray paint the garages and houses of the residents, or make too much noise late at night down the residential streets. Unless we got too drunk. In that case, all bets were off as far as noise went. We didn't trash the cars and those of us who weren't thieves didn't stand by and let it happen if we were in the area. We looked out for the girls, even while trying to get into their pants. We didn't have "gangs," but we did have groups that hung out together.

Mine was even on the fringes of the fringes, since we were Role-Players and D&D heads who spent the daylight hours racing around the woods and staging mock (or not so mock) "training" exercises in martial arts and weapon-craft. We made or bought our own nunchaku and carried them nearly everywhere--though we'd never have used them in a fight. They were strictly for demonstration. We developed demo techniques that I've never seen anywhere else to this day.

We trained ourselves and each other in sense of balance, and the ability to move silently through the woods at night, and held private keggers by the Green River in the semi-wilds of Auburn, unmolested by the law because we were willing to carry the keg half a mile from the main road rather than taking the easy way out.

My friends and I would go to the mall and sit on the big wooden benches and use the benches to pound out the beat to Queen's "We Will Rock You" or suddenly start quoting whole passages of the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy."

On my eighteenth birthday I was living in Sacramento, where my dad had moved for work. A week after my birthday I wandered into the midnight movies and discovered the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Quite a revelation for a semi-suburban white kid who'd never met anyone who was openly gay or sexually diverse.

Other than wandering around with my girlfriend at the time, who happened to play Frank at the Sunrise Mall, in full makeup on show nights, I had my own way of "freaking out the straights." I'd stand at the doors of the mall with my long hair, combat boots, black parachute pants, and camo jacket, and open the doors for people with a cheerful "have a nice day!" Looking so wild and being so nice was wonderfully shocking to people who'd grown to expect surly and obnoxious.

When I returned to Washington State, I started "blogging" before there WAS blogging, before the internet was really more than a gleam in a research scientist's eye. By 1986 I was using my friend's Commodore 64 to write long rants about the state of the political situation--how the Reagan administration's love affair with the Military/Industrial complex was betraying the ideology of those who'd fought to establish the EPA and those who opposed military and intelligence operations in support of dictators all across the world.

My friends and I would "accidentally" leave these rants in public places for people to find.

Even then I was starting to work on my own Role-Playing-Game, an obsession that lasted all the way into the late nineties. It was my game that formed the impetus and background for my novels. Since joining DU, I've found that I've more or less come full circle. My rants here recall my early days writing in opposition to the Reagan administration, and my novels reflect all the time spent designing and play-testing my game.

It's been a wild ride. As many people know, I ended up hitch-hiking the length of the west coast, from the Puget Sound to Sacramento or San Francisco, or even points further South--all between the ages of 16 and 20. I celebrated the 20th Anniversary of the Summer of Love in San Francisco and Golden Gate Park--though, I must admit, some of the residents then cynically proclaimed it to be "The Summer of the Panhandler."

We went there to try to recapture some of the magic we'd heard about, or, in some cases, the magic that some of the visitors remembered for themselves. It was gone, of course, but bits and pieces of it still flowed through the space like a stream dried to a mere trickle.

I've led an interesting life, I think. I celebrated my wildness in the strangest ways and worked in so many jobs over the years that I've lost count. All through it, my only rock was my writing. No matter what else I was doing, I wrote. Before my first computer, I filled notebook after notebook, all lost now.

With all the things I've done, and all the risks I've taken, it's sometimes a wonder I sit here today. But I leave with a warning to the youngsters. At 17, 18, or 19, it's easy to believe you're immortal, that the things you do will never come back to haunt you. But your body remembers. Though my bones are dense and strong and hard to break, the softer tissue surrounding them has proved to be far less resilient than I believed. Some of the high impact things I did when I was "immortal for a limited time" have come back with a vengeance to remind me of how damn silly I was.

Be well, DU, and, even more importantly, treat one another well. No matter what minor differences in opinion might try to divide you, remember that you (we) are all allies in a much larger conflict. Stand tall and stand strong. We need one another because WE, and those like us, are the hope of the world.

As my wife might say,

Blessed Be.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:54 PM
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1. Too beautiful for words...n/t
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:56 PM
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2. C' mon, folks...Can I have a fifth rec?
I'm sharing some serious stuff here.

:)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:59 PM
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3. And a 6th! Thanks for the memories. n/t
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:06 PM
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6. You're quite welcome...
Thanks for joining in on both threads.

:)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:09 PM
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7. My pleasure. It was fun.
And continued good luck on all your writing.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:18 PM
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10. I tried - mythsage - even for something I like this much
They will only let me rec it once!
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:00 PM
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4.  there you go #5
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 04:07 PM by mitchtv
fun
I was more or less your parents generation. I got 4F'd for Vietnam in 64. I am more rightly a war baby than a boomer. there were so few born in '44, that later most my friends were boomers .
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:06 PM
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5. Thanks!
I want to talk about the eighties and what madness it was. LOL
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:10 PM
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8. I'm more of a 70's boomer, anti-war radical... I was 16 yrs. old then and that's when
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 04:13 PM by Breeze54
I became fully aware of what was really going on politically.

I was also old enough then to defy my parents, protest the Vietnam War,
do school walk outs, attend anti-war rallies in the city of Boston, etc. ;)

In the 60's I was still to young but I was pretty upset that my 2 older brothers were drafted.

K & R # 9
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:12 PM
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9. Bravo, Mythsaje!
K and R
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:46 PM
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11. Love to read your material on DU.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:55 PM
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12. Nice. One bone to pick- "we had Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Metallica." Heh. Not all of us.
Some of us had early R.E.M., Camper Van Beethoven, The Meat Puppets.

A lot of us Gen X'ers were also following the (Baby Boomer) Dead around in the 80s. I know I was.

There was a lot going on at that time. A tremendous amount of activism on college campuses- CISPES, Rainforest Action Network, etc. Sometimes you see that decade reduced to Miami Vice and Hair Metal, which is a gross oversimplification.

Also, Mythsaje, I was on my way out to SF for that same 20th Anniv. of the Summer of Love thing. My sister lagged leaving Denver with me, and we got there too late. Too bad, our paths might have crossed. :hippie:

Peace
---i.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:10 PM
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16. There was a lot of decent music in the eighties
depending on taste. But the BIG ones were those I mentioned. Besides, I liked early Metallica. Master of Puppets was brilliant. Then, on the even more political side of things, you had Megadeth and Queensryche with their Operation Mindcrime. There was a hell of a lot more to metal than bands like Poison and Ratt. Or Motley Crue.

I didn't set foot on a college campus until '89. I didn't have the money or the means to go to college before then. The last thing I knew about was activism on college campuses earlier in the decade, and once I got there I was concentrating on my classes and working on my game in my spare time. I was too busy keeping my head above water otherwise to even consider politics.

:)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:47 PM
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19. I know. A lot of my friends in college were really into Metallica early on. Megadeth, too.
They had no patience for what they called "Glam Metal".

I had come more from the quirky-indie college rock scene than the metal one, myself. And of course, I was a Deadhead.

I also remember when the Red Hot Chili Peppers were an "underground" L.A. band. Weird.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:14 PM
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20. I wasn't really into the party rock scene.
You know the whole "rock is great, look at us, we're partying fools, pat yourself on the back because you love us..." blah, blah, blah. The ONLY bands I liked very well that fell into that category were Dokken (considered the best musically of the whole bunch) and the Scorps, just because they just sounded cool. Plus, every once in a while they'd do something socially or politically relevant.

My local college station would play some of the more obscure stuff, which was how I discovered Savatage--a progressive metal band with strong classical influences. Part of Savatage went off to form the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, as a matter of fact. I likewise discovered Dream Theater, another prog metal band.

Then Nirvana hit and everything went squawky and whiny with low production values and the whole "woe is me, the world sucks, let me off" crap. Bleh. If the party and glam metal wasn't much fun, this was even worse. I have to say that the Wilson sisters were glad when grunge hit because they were being dragged from their great beginnings as Heart into the sewer of pointless, incestuous, cannibalistic pop metal mediocrity and I can appreciate that. Old Heart was wonderful. The later stuff...bleh again. A true waste of talent.

My all time favorite band is Rush. Math rock. Precise, tight as a drum, and so, so intricate. But Judas Priest is a close second with, talking about changing gears, Concrete Blonde vying for the honors.

I had a friend from Sacramento who became a Dead Head. He's someone I really, really regret losing contact with. I met him in my Rocky Horror days and we used to sit in his car after the show outside the local Winchells and get really ripped listening to his punk rock station before stumbling in to consume mass quantities of fat-laden pastries. It was years before I could even LOOK at another doughnut.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:01 PM
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13. I'm glad I was born back in the fifties and such. :) I loved being
then and I am content with my lot now.

RV, a Cream etc afficionado
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:14 PM
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14. Blind Faith! Filmore East!
We Shall Overcome! I'm tired now and am glad I'm so old. I saw clearly what was coming then as I do now. Ich will nicht mitmachen. I'm tired of it all...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:34 PM
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18. Oh my god! BLIND FAITH! Got me through high school.
I agree with you honey. I could use a nap too.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:14 PM
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15. What a wonderful summation of how you came up...
I thought about doing something similar in your 60s topic, but axed that cause I'm too long-winded on here as it is. Your comment on writing being your rock was something that, I think, also sprang from the sixties generation...it was mine, too, twenty years before you found how effective such expression can be. First, by penning rousing essays in school, making statements on the injustices against blacks, women, working people, the Vietnamese and our boys forced to fight them, and dissecting the pacifying effects of organized religion, chambers of commerce, school clubs, and civic organizations, such as American Legion and Kiwanis...got straight As on every one, which most likely was the encouragement that set me off. Went on to write for city rags about those same local oppressions in the neighborhoods and plants that I lived and worked in, printed up papers and leaflets galore, and generally helped get the word out on what common folk could do and were doing to oppose establishment policy. We stood at shopping centers and factory gates, being friendly too, like you, but also passing on our position of what could be done, what needed to be realized to effect the changes required.

Simple communication, expressing the dream, writing as the spark to action and following thru by relating and discussing with folk what exactly is wrong and how to fix it. Pebbles in the stream.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:22 PM
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17. I thought about journalism myself
and took Journalism classes in junior high, but I quickly discovered I was either not nosy enough, or not interested enough in school politics and sports to keep up with what was going on. In short, I was scholastically constipated. I didn't give a crap about the things THEY wanted me to.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:38 AM
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21. It's funny
I was born in the last baby boomer year so I was too young to be a hippy and lived a fairly conventional (though somewhat horrific) childhood, in which I saw middle class, upper class and retired southerner living in a trailer lives. What I always regretted was not having been born early enough to be a hippy. But then, two years ago when I moved up to Seattle, I moved into a house that rapidly turned into a hippy flophouse. Turns out, I hated it. I've lived in three different poly households but it was the hippy, free love one I hated.

My current live in SO was born the February after the summer of love, to a hippy and was raised as a hippy. He has always said that only a small core were really hippies, the rest hangers on, just doing the "fashionable" thing. I suspect he was right and really, for all my envy of the age, I've lived such an unconventional life. I've been a hippy without the trappings of a million hippies right beside me.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:52 PM
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22. I suppose that might be true of me as well...
A hippy or beatnik. Or something else entirely. I never got into the poly scene--though I've done my sexual experimentation. I'm fairly conventional sexually, I've found. It can be enough of a challenge keeping ONE woman happy...I'm not wired in such a way I can expend any more energy in that regard.

Several of my houses years back were open to those looking for a place to crash. I never minded that, as long as people pitched in what they could. I liked having a bustling place. These days very few people at all enter my house, if only because my animals would never tolerate it. I live a much quieter life now.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:23 PM
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23. "To absent friends, ..."
and Rocky. From an old Boomer who also enjoyed the RHPS. Even saw the RHS on the London stage.

Stay sane inside insanity.
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