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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:34 PM
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60 Minutes "Don Siegelman" story fails to mention the FIXED Election in 2002.
CBS Video here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830.shtml

VIDEOS: ***** Don Siegelman Speaks! Don Siegelman discusses how the election results changed in the middle of the night, illegally. The election he won was lost when he was awakened at 4:30 in the morning. Republicans had changed the vote in one county, reversing the election outcome statewide. As announced the night before, Siegelman won by 3,000, then suddenly the outcome changed to Riley winning by 1,600 when Baldwin County recounted its vote and only the Governors race outcome changed. All the other races stayed precisely the same after the recount.

VIDEOS: ***** Don Siegelman Speaks! ***** Parts I & II
PART I: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x76986
PART II: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x76995

From orleans ***** Dec-17-07 ***** Don Siegelman Speaks!
"Here is some amazing video: a very candid interview with Don Siegelman, who spoke to Julie Sigwart of Take Back the Media on Sept. 13, 2004--months before the Governor was finally put away on trumped-up charges by the Alabama GOP.

======= ALSO there this post ==========

diva77 Mon Dec-17-07 ****** 4. ES&S tabulator used in Baldwin County in Nov. 2002 race

http://www.votersunite.org/info/content/mess-up_082304.asp

Voting Machine Mess-up Du Jour (Displayed 08/23/04)
Baldwin County, Alabama. November, 2002. ES&S.
Optical scan data packs malfunction.
Tabulation machine initially handed the gubernatorial election to the wrong candidate.*

Initial, unofficial results from Baldwin County showed that Democrat Don Siegelman garnered about 19,070 votes in the county, enough to give him a razor-thin victory over Republican challenger Bob Riley. The next morning, however, officials said those totals were inaccurate and certified returns giving Siegelman about 6,300 fewer votes -- enough to swing the election to Riley.
... Officials have traced the problem to a data pack from the Magnolia Springs voting location. They said the vote-counting machine there printed out accurate results when the polls closed at 7 p.m. But they said the cartridge, which resembles an eight-track cassette, gave bogus figures when it was plugged into the computer in Bay Minette.

... Kelley said a power surge at the precinct, static electricity or something else may have caused the glitch. He said technical experts at the company's computer lab in Rockford, Ill., may be able to determine the reason.

...He noted that at least three other counties experienced similar glitches on election night. But officials in Madison, Etowah and Barbour counties discovered and corrected the errors, in some cases by manually typing in vote totals.

* Voting snafu answers elusive. The Mobile Register. 28 Jan 2003. by Brendan Kirby, staff writer. Confirmed by VotersUnite! with Sharon Jerkins in the Baldwin County Elections office.


What else is missing from the piece? Campaign finances in 2002 for candidate Riley, and in particular, the roles of Rove, Abramoff, Scalan, Reed, and others. More here, including DUers posting their experiences,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2909551
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:36 PM
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1. If strong enough reaction, hopefully will do part 2
There were many many injustices that could not fit into the 15 minute 60 Minutes report. Hopefully, if there is a strong enough reaction, they will produce a second part.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:11 PM
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14. Apparently, several more stories are ready, if not in the can yet. READ Horton
This bombshell show is just the beginning of the 60 Minutes stories, esp. given the narrow focus and its context.

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CBS: More Prosecutorial Misconduct in Siegelman Case
Scott Horton - February 24, 2008 - http://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002487


CBS aired its long-awaited feature on the prosecution and imprisonment of former Alabama Governor Don E. Siegelman this evening at 7:00. In a stunning move of censorship, the transmission was blocked across the northern third of Alabama by CBS affiliate WHNT, which is owned by interests of the Bass Family. Those who were in the zone of censorship or who missed it, can catch the whole segment here:

The CBS piece, for which I was repeatedly interviewed, came through on its promise to deliver several additional bombshells. The most significant of these was the disclosure that prosecutors pushed the case forward and secured a conviction relying on evidence that they knew or should have known was false ......
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:37 PM
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2. Absolutely. Now, is there anything I can do to help get these monsters in prison? nt
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:37 PM
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3. Larisa says they might do a followup or two if there's interest....

1. 60 Minutes is interested in doing additional add-on installments of this story. I have it on good authority that the show's reporters and producers have much more to tell about the duo of Bill and Leura Canary as well as more about the corrupt judge, Mark Fuller, on the case. The network has agreed to run one, maybe two more installments if there is interest shown by the public. You have to let them know you want more on Fuller, the Canary couple, and the trial itself. You can contact CBS here:

ADDRESS:
60 Minutes
524 West 57th St.
New York, NY 10019

EMAIL: 60m@cbsnews.com

PHONE: (212) 975-3247


http://www.atlargely.com/2008/02/soviet-america.html

I emailed my suggestion on the 2002 election theft....
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:39 PM
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4. Heck, maybe they'll even show one in Alabama...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:41 PM
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5. The hinge of this story is the election. They couldn't beat him fairly
so they had to do THIS.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 11:11 AM
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16. And the FIXED election aspect of the story is still ignored. WHY?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 11:17 AM
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17. I don't know. Because it goes right to Rove, Abramoff and the RNC?
It stops being as local? :shrug:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:46 PM
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18. It goes to Florida 2000 too. Riley, Scanlan relationship is another reason.
Check the new thread:
HORTON on McCain, Abramoff and the Riley Band of Choctaw Republicans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2946980
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:02 PM
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22. As someone recently said of these people. . ..
they're "a pretty mean bunch of Mother-Fuckers!" . . .


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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:52 PM
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6. So someone testifies that he saw him with a check in his hand
after a private meeting and now this Govenor is in Jail? I'm not sure, but doesn't this amount to hersay?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:03 PM
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23. PLUS . . . THE CHECK WASN'T CUT UNTIL DAYS LATER . . . !!!!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:18 PM
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24. And the "witness" is a crook bargaining for a lower sentence, performing a script
that was written for him to practice repeatedly until memorized. And, the script was not provided to defense as trial preparatory materials.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:52 PM
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7. Karl Rove is a scab on the GOP. If the scab ever gets scratched off...
...well, you get the picture.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:55 PM
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8. One can only do so much in the time allotted to a topic. IMO 60 Min. did an excellent job. n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:27 PM
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9. Indeed, I agree.
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:10 AM
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10. I also thought 60 Mins did a good job.
Knowing what I know about the case, I was still fairly stunned to hear it all laid out. If this story gets buried after that, we will know for sure that the war is now with the media. Not really America, is it.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:22 AM
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11. It never ends with these people.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:42 AM
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12. Stolen elections in 2002 is a big under reported story. nt
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:59 AM
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13. YES! And it leads back to 2000. Once the USA "knows" one election was definitively stolen .....
all hell breaks loose, and we have to reassess all past elections, all past legislation, all past judicial appointments, in essence

EVERYTHING that happened while Democracy was corrupt!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:01 PM
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21. And that's quite a far distance back . . . the computers came in during the mid-1960's . . .
http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm

Jim & Ken Collier were journalists who were looking for a story on what's it's like to run
for election so one of them ran for a local office ---

During the election night coverage, a computer report that they had a large number of votes
subsequently disappeared --- and they began to investigate.

They subsequently wrote a book --- which was suppressed--

It's on the website for anyone to read or scan --- it's a quite interesting history of what they discovered about computer steals at that time ---

Pretty much the same as what we're aware of now --







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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:47 PM
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15. visibility kick
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:43 PM
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19. ditto
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:57 PM
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20. Computers came in during the mid-1960's. . . and we've had stolen elections since then --- !!!!
See: "Votescam -- The Stealing of America" ---
by journalists, Jim & Ken Collier


http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm


To not have mentioned the Siegelman election loss is to NOT be telling most of the story--!!!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:26 PM
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25. Paul Craig Roberts: "the thieves forgot to change any of the other vote outcomes..."
It does happen in America: The political trial of Don Siegelman
By Paul Craig Roberts - Online Journal Guest Writer - Feb 29, 2008 - http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3013.shtml


Don Siegelman, a popular Democratic governor of Alabama, a Republican state, was framed in a crooked trial ...

........ Siegelman narrowly won.

Unable to defeat Siegelman even with leaks from a phony investigation designed to smear him, the Republicans decided to steal the election. After all districts had reported the vote count, Siegelman thanked the voters for reelecting him and went to bed. During the night the Republicans, with no Democratic voting officials present, "recounted" the ballots in Baldwin County. Six thousand Siegelman votes that had been reported disappeared in the recount. The next morning Republican Bob Riley declared himself the winner.

The theft was so hastily arranged that the thieves forgot to change any of the other vote outcomes on the ballots. All other races had the same totals as originally reported, a statistical impossibility had there actually been a computer glitch as the election thieves claimed.

The Republican attorney general, Pryor, refused a recount. The Republican Justice (sic) Department and Republican federal judges looked the other way, as did the Republican propaganda sheets that masquerade as news media in Alabama.

President Bush rewarded William Pryor for his service by making him a federal judge in a recess appointment, as he could not be confirmed by the US Senate. According to MSNBC and other reports, investigations had produced more serious charges against Pryor than against Siegelman, but Pryor, being a chief Republican operative, was immune from prosecution. .............
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