Anyone have a good response to the "Can a Muslim be a good American?" POS forward?

[last_texas_dem]

My mom just received this idiotic forward from a coworker and e-mailed me asking if I had seen it and had a good response to it. Just wondering if anyone here had received the stupid thing before. It's typical right-wing garbage... you know, "Muslims can't be true to America b/c their allegiance is to Allah", etc. but has now been appended to include claims that Obama is a Muslim who has said he will be sworn in on the Koran and other stupid shit. I'd post it, but I'm sure somebody go off on me and call me a FReeper or something the way things have become at DU recently. Anyway, I was just wondering if anybody could link me to a good response that I could send to my mom. She usually tries to stay out of this stuff at work and just asks people not to send her this stuff, but I think this one is really pissing her off because of how nasty and inaccurate it it, so I think she wants to reply in some way.

[Steerpike]

1. Well.

Mr. Obama is a Christian. He is not going to use the Koran if elected, he will use a bible.

[last_texas_dem]

2. Yeah

The wingnuts can't seem to decide whether it's more damaging to claim Obama is a covert Muslim or a member of a "radical", "extremist" Xian denomination, so they've tried to spread both claims. There are probably plenty of idiots out there willing to believe both claims...

[rasputin1952]

15. I'd use the Constitution...

:D

[last_texas_dem]

3. Alright, here it is

I decided it's dumb not to post the thing just b/c I'm worried about how some DUers might overreact. If there's a problem with me posting the forward, I'll leave that up to the mods to determine.

>>>>>>>Subject: Fwd: FW: Muslim Americans?


Please read this before voting!!!!!!!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Muslim Americans?


CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?

This is very interesting! We all need to read it from start to finish......... and send it on to anyone who will read it.

Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Religiously - no. . . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) (Koran).

Scripturally - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. . . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. . . . Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. . . . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. . . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,'
the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation, perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.

They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.

* * * Call it what you wish; it's still the truth.

* * * You had better believe it.

* * * The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President?

You HAVE to be kidding?! Wake up America !

Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran (Koran)---not the Bible!

PLEASE, please pass this to all in your address book!!!

Semper Fi

If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.>>>>>>>>

[progdonkey]

4. The Bible says just about the same thing...

so obviously Christians and Jews can't be good Americans, either.

Edited to add:

Just look through the entries here for matching verses, if you want to send something back to the person who forwarded it to you. (Not that they'll be convinced--the words of the Bible are apparently only valid when they're coming from the person's pastor. I wonder why that is....)

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Yikes!

What a load of C-R-A-P!

Hell, look at the last line of that tripe: "If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it." Does this mean Christians can't be good Americans because their first allegiance is to the Bible?

Obama is not Muslim, as if it that should matter.

Personally, I think a great way to destroy this piece of Islamaphobic, racist shit, would be to do the same thing using the Christian Bible as a source and state: "How can a Christian be a good American?" But, then again, I tend to be a real bitch!

[DFW]

5. "No more or less than a Christian can be a good American"

Although beware--there have been Republican politicians who have
claimed that their allegiance is to the Bible (and only selected
portions of it at that), so they are by their own definition as
unpatriotic as the most fanatical of suicide bombers in Baghdad.

Even Rep. Ellison hasn't said that allegiance to the Koran has a higher
priority for him than allegiance to the U.S. Constitution.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. God is a concept by which we measure our Pain

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Show her this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffwY74XbS4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yq0tMYPDJQ&feature=related

[bowens43]

8. .

[pepperbear]

9. it seems to me that if Muslims can't be true because of their allegience to

Allah, then it goes that Christians can't be true because of their allegience to Jesus, right?

I just don't get it.

[Jamastiene]

10. Of course, a Muslim can be a good American.

Praise to Allah doesn't disqualify someone from being a good American. Going against the country and trying to hurt the country disqualifies someone from being a good American. Look at how many Muslims live peacefully amidst us. They don't ALL hate us. The terrorists hate us, and that does NOT include ALL of them.

And to be honest about it, there are many people from other countries who have different religions, and yes, Muslims too, value what America means more than even homegrown Americans do. That DOES happen a lot more than people think. They appreciate it more, because they were born elsewhere and have an actual basis for comparison. I can sit here and tick off a few names for examples, but these are local people, on of us now, who no one here is likely to know. I can only say that they appreciate our country and do not hate us. Why anyone would assume they are always walking around with bombs strapped to their waists, I will never understand.

American born Muslims can of course be good Americans too. What does it take to be a good American? Appreciation for the freedoms and rights we have. Religion doesn't have anything to do with that. A person can believe in God or Allah or no god at all and still be good American.

The bottom line is this: it takes all kinds of people to make a diverse society like we have in America. Make it all one kind of people and it would be boring and unimaginative and lacking what makes America the country that it is. It wouldn't be America without lots of different types of people.

I hope this made some sense to someone out there.

[livvy]

11. I got the same email from a friend who doesn't know much about politics.

She sent it to me to ask if it was true. Here is how I responded to it. Also I sent the email to Snopes. They didn't have this piece of garbage on the site at the time I received it.

No, this email is not true. Obama is not a Muslim, never has been. He has never stated he would be sworn in on anything, but if elected, I’m sure he will be sworn in using the Bible, just as he did when he entered the Senate.
This is one of the ugliest things I’ve seen in a long while. I am no expert on any religious texts, however the idea that any religion would prohibit or inhibit someone from being a good American, is just plain ugly.
I’m sure there are Muslims that would not make good Americans, just as I’m sure there are Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Buddhists, Atheists, etc. who are American citizens, but do not make good Americans. The author of this ugly piece comes to mind. They did an excellent job of picking out just what they chose to, in order to make the religion sound bad. I’m quite sure someone could do the same with passages from the Bible.
Whomever wrote this should be ashamed of themselves. No wonder there are so many problems in this world.

[Lasher]

12. Yep, gotta good rebuttal right here

This work of art is a combination of two liemails. Hit this link for the 'all Muslims are bad' segment:

http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1146977644.shtml

And for the 'Obama is a radical Muslim' section, go here:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

You might want to try the Propaganda Debunking Group when you get this sort of liemail. We're going to see a lot of them between now and November.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=284

[livvy]

13. Good links...thanks. How have I missed the Prop. Debunking Group?

Well, it's one of my forums now. I really despise emails that spread falsehoods, and always feel the need to reply. I try to 'reply to all' whenever possible. Once in a while I get an email back from one of the unknowns, but not often. I got one once from a news director who objected to my criticism of the MSM. We had a couple of exchanges, but he quit the argument first, which can either mean he thought I was just a nutcase, or I won. Of course I prefer the latter. LOL

[Lasher]

20. Propaganda Debunking Group hasn't always been real active.

But the action is picking up, now that the number of liemails is increasing to commemorate the election season.

I often get into email wars too. It's fun, and pretty easy too because these people are pretty stupid, on average. We are not likely to change the minds of those who challenge us in this manner. But we just might win over one or two of the CC: recipients.

[rasputin1952]

14. How about the truth...

It is little more than a cheap smear, there is absolutely no truth to the aallegation. It is as pathetic as the "Lapel Flag Pin" idiocy...something I noticed that McCain lacks as well, no falg pin for him...the "Big War Hero".

Just tell people the truth, if they don't belive it, they are the same one's who believe the earth is flat anyway...:)

[Habibi]

16. Tell her to reply with this:

Stop sending me this bigoted garbage, or I'll report you to Human Resources and get your ass canned.

[comtec]

17. What a horrible, untrue, piece of [censored]

They are only callin him a Muslum a) because of his name and b) because they can't say what they REALLY feel which is you cant have a runnin things!
him n 'is kind will ruin this great countr'y that our great leader has spent the last 8 year building up after that clinton ruined everything!

However Muslims around the world aren't exactly making the case any easier! The fact that there are so many ass hats out there can't just can't have the profit shown in any form, or allow fair mocking of him shows a real shallowness in their individual faith!

Gods, and religion are MADE for poking fun at because of all the harm and damage they do to us as a species and society.
We make fun of them to release so much of the stress that is caused by (dis)organized religion.

To be honest on the gop side I would have preferred Romney because I know Mormons. I LIKE most Mormons. They are nice, polite people in general. The fact that Mormonism tried to save the native Americans by saying jesus ministered to them was a real act of kindness, and understanding that we are all god's (or whatever title/name given) children.

That said... GO OBAMA GO!

[BlooInBloo]

18. There's no responding to stupid/bigoted folks. There's only waiting for them to die....

... And do your best to prevent the kids from getting infected.


EDIT: Subject typo.

[Tyler Durden]

19. Tell her to say this (to paraphrase ME):

Maybe you shouldn't bring me every little piece of trash you happen to pick up.

[Winterblues]

21. Using that same logic can Christians be good Americans

Their allegiance is to Christ. I wonder if they like Mohammed Ali (Cassias Clay)

[ThomWV]

22. The only possible answer to that question is "Yes". What more need be said?