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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:34 AM
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Is It Too Late to Drive Bush Out?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_cheryl_a_080229_is_it_too_late_to_dr.htm">Is It Too Late to Drive Bush Out?

By November 2008 America will have chosen her next president and if all the hype and promises prove true we are all in for a huge change. Many people have diverted their attention from the anti-war movement and are actively supporting and putting all their energies into the Obama or Clinton campaigns believing that the upcoming election will be the cure-all for what ails the country. Just try to email or talk to some of these candidate’s more fervent supporters about the fact that Obama and Clinton are not addressing and not actively repudiating the Bush agenda and you will usually get a vehemently defensive reply. It’s as if some these supporters are so infatuated with these candidates and the hoped for changes they are promising that they can’t or won’t look at the weaknesses of these candidates. A common opinion is that there’s only a few months left in Bush’s term and then he and his administration will be gone and the Bush era will be over and what’s important now is to concentrate on electing a new president who promises change, and to do otherwise at this point is a waste of time. Is it a waste of time to continue to drive out the Bush regime? What is at stake in the next several months if Bush is not driven from office?

While Americans concentrate on the ’08 elections American soldiers and Iraqi and Afghanistani civilians will continue to die, thousands will continue to be injured and permanently maimed, detainees will continue to be tortured, human rights will continue to be obliterated, and Bush will continue his warmongering after Iran. In five years over a million Iraqis have died, and over 4,048 American soldiers have died in Iraq, over 70,000 people had been detained in deplorable conditions, and hundreds have been tortured in this “War on Terror”. The daily life of women and children who still survive in these affected countries continues to deteriorate. (http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=2282) With these statistics it is reasonable to assume that over the next eleven months that another 200,000 Iraqis will die, another 800 American soldiers will also die, and perhaps another 14,000 detainees will be subjected to the deplorable treatment that Bush has codified and made into law. Are these deaths acceptable? Can we ignore this horror to concentrate on an election?
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:37 AM
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1. Yes. n/t
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:39 AM
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2. He's on his way out and it's not to late to impeach him and still won't be when we take back the WH.
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 12:39 AM by Breeze54
:grr:
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:50 AM
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8. No.
You can't impeach him after he has left office. Impeachment is the act of removing him from office. Indictment, on the other hand....
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:30 AM
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9. Ok...whatever it takes!
Dennis says they can still indict him and the 'others' even after they're out. I hope so!

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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:39 PM
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15. Yes, and I hope they do!
Unless...(as I suspect) pardons are a flyin' next January. And, even if they aren't, I greatly fear that nothing will be done. It should be done NOW!! That eliminates the possibility of pardon, and shows that Bush's actions are not acceptable precedents.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:50 AM
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3. With the lack of spine shown by the Dem leadership the answer should be obvious.
Just as when he was running for office he's being given a pass. Even though he's failed upwards for much of his life he'll get another pass on this one. For a man who's had a fair amount of his past expunged or scrubbed this is just sop. Neither he or Cheney will ever have to answer for what they've done.
For god's sake we've got a multiple Cy-Young winner on 'roids. :sarcasm:
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:11 AM
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6. Even now it's not too late.
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 01:12 AM by mac2
I for one don't want another tax dollar to go to this man and his freinds. They have pillaged us enough. He ruined our country. Why should we pay for his pension, protection, or hospitalization when he left citizens floating dead in the waters of New Orleans...or on 911 jumping out of buildings.

Even after he leave office we should fight to stop our support.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:53 AM
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4. True . . .. where are the Dems plans for holding these people responsible
for their crimes ---

including bankrupting the Treasury --- how can that not be treason?


By the way, notice the article refers to the nation as "her" --- happily!
I noticed recently that Obama used the "homeland" expression and it gave me the creeps!!!


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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:01 AM
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5. We all need to stop that 'homeland' creepy shit and the Commander in Chief BS!
Can we do a new indoctrination of the youth so that
they hate those words and others this regime has instituted?

I think it's sorely needed. Ugh, indeed! :(
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:19 AM
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12. Commander in Chief bs?
That's not a neologism made up by this administration. It's in the constitution.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:26 AM
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13. That may well be but NO president has used (over used) it
like that fucktard *!! It has to STOP!!!!!! :grr:

No president that I ever knew during war used that title except that warmonger bush!!! :nuke:

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:55 PM
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18. Yeah....but I don't think the founders intended it to knock over the Constitution --- !!!
Bill of Rights . . . !!!

Right now, rather than being a threat to any real enemy --- it's a threat to American citizens!


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:42 PM
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21. I'm simply talking about the notion
that Bush is the first president to use the term Commander-in-Chief a lot. That's just not true.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:22 PM
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23. Yep == Didn't Reagan used to do that --- an made point of SALUTING ???
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:14 AM
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7. Dems running for office in 2006 promised us accountability
but soon forgot to do it. What is their big issue now? Children's health care.

They are all a big Congressional frat club. Shame on their criminal minds. It is treason...robbery, etc.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:56 PM
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19. Did you ever watch the movie . . .
"An Unreasonable Man" --- ?

It explains much of what is going on ---

actually, I wonder how many people here have seen it --- ???


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:29 AM
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22. Can you name 10 democrats who ran on a platform
of impeachment? 5?
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:35 AM
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10. He will leave untouched - bank on it.. n/t
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:03 AM
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14. And his "legacy" preserved by the "enablers". n/t
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:37 AM
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11. "and over 4,048 American soldiers have died in Iraq,"....
:wtf: I thought it was just 3974 two days ago?? What's happened? Did I miss something big?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:44 PM
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16. when bush leaves, and he will
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 12:48 PM by seemslikeadream
we will have war and rumors of WAR, does any one here really believe we are going to leave Iraq?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQQ65k8EGn4

Until the philosophy which hold one race
Superior and another inferior
Is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned
Everywhere is war, me say war

That until there are no longer first class
And second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes
Me say war

That until the basic human rights are equally
Guaranteed to all, without regard to race
Dis a war

That until that day
The dream of lasting peace, world citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion
To be pursued, but never attained
Now everywhere is war, war

And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes
That hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique,
South Africa sub-human bondage
Have been toppled, utterly destroyed
Well, everywehre is war, me say war

War in the east, war in the west
War up north, war down south
War, war, rumours of war

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:49 PM
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17. the little tyrant is going down, theres no doubt in my mind as to that happening
I just hope that its before he gets a lot more people, like you and I, killed. How can bushco walk away from this war criminality and remain free, tell me that. They can't so they are going to do what ever it takes to remain in a position of power, with every ounce of effort they have in their sorry assed bodies. Remember this coup began in '00 and its almost a done deal as I type today. be afraid of what gwb and company will do these next few months, yes be very worried cause these ole boys are between a rock and a hard place. They knew it wasn't going to be a cakewalk when they started but figured what the hell anyway. bushco has no plans to go away and that I would bet on if I was a betting man. I worry for us
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:58 PM
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20. Obviously, the Dems in office don't see the huge . . .
anti-war movement, nor progressive Democrats, nor people who expect they to end the war and hold the Republicans accountable as a threat to them ---

In order to be a threat, they have to believe that you have some other option than voting for them.


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