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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:49 AM
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George Bush Is Engaged in an Epic Battle to Cover His Ass
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 09:59 AM by kpete
George Bush Is Engaged in an Epic Battle to Cover His Ass


By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast. Posted March 1, 2008.


Bush's showdown with the Dems in Congress over granting telecoms immunity for spying has big implications.

...............

What the hell is going on here? When you compare the truths of this dispute with the rhetoric from the White House and its mouthpieces, there's really no other conclusion than that this country has gone fucking bonkers. Reality and public perception don't even share a zip code anymore. After years of constant, obvious lies, their ridiculousness compounded by countless revelations of their falsehood, Bush is still sticking with the same despicable, transparently manipulative bogeyman bullshit he started with. And like-minded jackasses in the media, like Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday, still have the inconceivable gall to say things like, "I think it's kind of unbelievable, frankly, that -- it's a judgment call, we don't know -- not to give the administration the benefit of the doubt."

The benefit of the doubt? A judgment call? Sorry Bill, but fuck you. Your judgment's been shit; your President's judgment's been shit, and both of you are documented liars. So forgive the hell out of the rest of us if there's no doubt to benefit from when it comes to whether the president is a fucking fraud. The entire administration is a fraud. Every department is a fraud, staffed by fraudulent people, hostile to its stated mission and intent on it's nullification, by death or paralysis. There may never be proof, especially if Bush gets his way, but what thinking person can muster much doubt that the administration is listening not just for terrorist chatter, but to anyone they want -- political enemies, reporters, chicks they're into--whoever.

In 2006, after Andrea Mitchell asked New York Times reporter James Risen, who broke the domestic spying story, out of the blue, "You don't have any information, for instance, that a very prominent journalist, Christiane Amanpour, might have been eavesdropped upon?" Risen did not, but NBC scrubbed the question from its transcripts of the interview, later explaining that the story had been "released prematurely," that they had not "completed" their reporting. But they didn't call the allegation irresponsible, or speculative, or any other dismissive adjective they could have used. They essentially confirmed that they had reason to believe that Bush was secretly wiretapping a prominent CNN reporter.

And why the hell wouldn't he, after all? Without a reviewable record of warrants, it's not as if anyone can possibly find out -- unless somebody sues the telecoms, and specific, decidedly non-terrorist surveillance targets are identified in the ensuing discovery process. And that is why the Republicans are going apeshit over retroactive immunity, not just to protect the telecoms, but to cover their own asses. If it ever comes out that their secret, illegal domestic wiretaps were not targeting al Qaeda, but Al Gore, the jig is finally up. The entire "trust us, we're hunting terrorists" rationale, as thin as it always was, will lose any residual integrity, and the GOP may never recover. And they know it. And maybe, hopefully, the Democrats finally know it too.

more at:
http://www.alternet.org/story/78032?page=2
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:50 AM
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1. K&R Number 1 for the most important story of the Bush Presidency
No! to Immunity.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:55 AM
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4. definitely the got 'em by the juevos story.
K & R
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:12 AM
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50. PBS: "Spying on the Home Front"
Here's a good video on the subject.

http://www.guba.com/watch/3000051919


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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:30 AM
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64. the fact that the spying program was pre-9/11 should send shivers down our national spine
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:02 PM
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65. Isn't it incredible how
so many people are of the opinion (like my police officer brother) that "this is only for the terrorists, and, as long as you're not doing anything wrong there's nothing to worry about". It is just so amazing how people can be so naive. BTW, my police officer brother made the comment "Its just like RICO where's its only for combating organized crime". I laughed at him and said "one of these days you might learn why I find that so laughable and then you're gonna feel dumb".

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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:53 AM
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2. "Reality and public perception
don't even share a zip code anymore."

That´s a precise description.

Thanks for the link. :-)
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:55 AM
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3. Weren't Bushco also illegally wiretapping before 9/11?
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 09:59 AM by CJCRANE
That needs to be looked into.

On edit: Just realised a major point. If Bushco were ALREADY wiretapping everyone before 9/11 that nullifies their point about how they could have stopped 9/11 with more wiretapping authority.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:47 PM
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17. That is point that should be hammered home.
I've thought the same thing, there's tangible proof that invading our privacy did nothing to stop this attack.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:04 AM
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53. and that it was never about stopping this attack
rather, it's always been about cementing their own power. it's politics, politics, and politics, and has been from before day one of this lamentable presidency. nothing but and around the clock politics.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:37 AM
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60. Yep. Either it was useless in stopping the attack, or there is proof of LIHOP.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:58 AM
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5. Shit, Monkey Boy started his ass covering antics back when...
...he was in grade school. What a worthless POS who has NEVER taken responsibility for ANYTHING he has done which turned out wrong.

JMHO
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Support the ACLU Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:17 AM
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6. Yeah, good luck with that ....
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:19 AM
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7. And maybe, hopefully, the Democrats finally know it too.
The Democrats know it but really don't care. Accountability is "Off the Table"
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:37 AM
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9. I have called my Representative and both of my Senators Every Day - they know ...
On this one matter I call Mollihan, Byrd, and Rockefeller (their offices) every day on this one subject. I congratulate my Representative because he is on the right side (NO IMMUNITY) side, Senator Byrd because he is on the right side too, and Senator Rockefeller's Office to tell them how badly he has fucked this one up and that it is my desire that he work against his own bill when it finally gets to Conference.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:21 AM
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8. a number of dems are almost equally guilty so nothing will happen n/t
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:38 AM
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10. You are thinking about the failure of Democrats in the Senate - the House still stands.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:51 AM
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12. Eventually that will
be the other side of the coin. One side is Bu$h doing whatever whenever he wants, and the other side is the House and Senate silently watching and allowing it to happen. I say House and Senate because although there are a few stellar individuals fighting back, as a group both sides of the Isle in both chambers are complicit.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:47 AM
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11. Are ALL COMMUNICATIONS routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution?
Are ALL COMMUNICATIONS routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution?
Nov-09-07 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2245762

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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:04 AM
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49. I read the entire thread! All I can say is .......
:wow:


I am really speechless. It's like all the beliefs I have grown up with, God and Country, our beloved country, is fake!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 11:07 AM
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13. Keep this post at the top - it is the most important matter facing our nation today
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 11:38 AM
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14. Corportate espionage, insider trading...
remember when Tom Delay, Bill Frist and Denny Hastert all had day-traders set up in their offices at the Capital.

Is it really unimaginable that Bush/Cheney would act in their own financial interest if they came across useful insider information?
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:49 AM
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63. Bond Brokers?
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 11:26 AM by sattahipdeep
What does Howard Lutnick think about this?

....
"He said we should all be strong and bond together, and that he would
never forget the ones that have gone or the ones that were present with him."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1574223.stm

....
"I needed my bankers to know that I was in control," Lutnick says.
"That I wasn't sentimental and that I was no less motivated or driven
to make my business survive."

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sept11/features/5486/

Never Forget?
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:23 PM
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68. About eSpeed
eSpeed, Inc. (NASDAQ: ESPD) is a leader in developing and deploying
electronic marketplaces and related trading technology that offers
traders access to the most liquid, efficient and neutral financial markets
in the world. eSpeed operates multiple buyer, multiple seller real-time
electronic marketplaces for the global capital markets, including the
world's largest government bond markets and other fixed income and
foreign exchange marketplaces. eSpeed's suite of marketplace tools
provides end-to-end transaction solutions for the purchase and sale of
financial products over eSpeed's global private network or via the Internet.
eSpeed's neutral platform, reliable network, straight-through
processing and superior products make it the trusted source for
electronic trading at the world's largest fixed income and foreign
exchange trading firms and major exchanges. To learn more, please visit
www.espeed.com.

http://www.forbes.com/businesswire/feeds/businesswire/2008/02/27/businesswire20080227006244r1.html

Never Forget.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:01 PM
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15. It's the cover-up that always gets 'em in the ass.
This post is some of the best darned rant I've enjoyed in a while!
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Gimli Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:25 PM
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16. He should have been impeached immediately upon his admission
that he was wiretapping illegally. He admitted it on National TV. Of course Bush will try to cover his ass, but why are the Democrats in our Congress? Could it be that the "opposition" has been planted by someone other than We the people?
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:27 PM
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18. The American people need to wake up and understand this story
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 01:29 PM by JBoy
I know it's hard for Joe and Janet six-pack to tear themselves away from American Idol and focus, but this is actually a pretty simple story.

Your President has been spying on you.

Congress needs to hang onto this issue like a pit bull. No immunity for the Telecoms. People need to let their reps know they've got their backs, or that they'll throw them out if they cave.

Edit: REC this story up!
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:31 PM
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20. I'm willing to bet...
...that the majority (maybe a vast majority) of people are of the mindset that "I haven't done anything to hide, so who cares if they are recording me". They need to be educated that this goes far beyond stopping the terrorist. Maybe if they realized that some day maybe the IRS will also have access to this, they'd realize this is an issue that can effect everybody.
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:37 PM
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31. Sad to say I agree with you, and it goes beyond even that.
Not only do most folks believe they have no communications that are "wrong" so they needn't worry about being spied on, I think most of us who use online services of one kind or another regularly now have come to accept that there simply is no privacy anymore.

We've been told for years now that EVERYTHING we put out there online is available to others. Many parents use that fact to scare their youngsters into being careful of predators and scams.

Also, everyone I know is too busy trying to pay rent, buy groceries, and get fuel and insurance for their cars, to have any attention left over for politics. They don't see their votes helping, since all we get anyway are crooks and accomplices who (almost) all lie to us daily while they rob us blind and kill us slowly.

In my world, folks live in stark and persistent fear of layoffs or business closings, so they endure hellish conditions and demands made on them at work. Many I know put off or forget about having children simply because they can't afford them.

I'm not surprised at all that people try to avoid thinking about their arduous, precarious lives by tuning in to American Idol or sports or getting involved in hobbies -- including the use of both legal and illegal drugs.

We have learned helplessness.

And to rub it all in our faces, those of us who watch teevee have to see ad after ad, day after day, about "growing your wealth" and choosing one investment firm over another!

If it's not those ads that blatantly mock us in our poverty, we are urged by Big Pharma to spend what little we have on unnecessary, dangerous drugs so we can have more sex (and treat the STDs that come with that), manage our own anxiety and panic attacks while making zombies of our kids, and get some SLEEP.

At the same time, we're swarmed with ads telling us to cram "fast" meals into our faces that have ridiculous numbers of calories and fat content ("eat what tastes 'right'") and waste money going to mindless movies filled with non-stop "action" (violence) and open torture for amusement.

That last element serves the two-fold purpose of instilling ever more fear in us while at the same time making us feel glad that WE don't have it THAT BAD at least!


Oops -- sorry, I'm ranting. But it's all true! :(


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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:52 PM
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24. And they need to know why Bush is fighting so hard against it too
There are civil cases pending and if they can go forward - which they can not do if the Telecoms are granted immunity because there will be no case to bring if the underling activity is rendered legal the Senate version of this law - then evidence will have to be produced by the telecoms which will demonstrate clearly that the NSA, Justice Department, and indeed the White House itself acted illegally in installing this monitoring system in the first place and just as important it will be disclosed that the illegal spying predated 9/11.

This is about immunity for Bush, not immunity for the Telecoms.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:04 PM
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19. Wish we could have retroactive impeachment.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:34 PM
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21. The truth
IS OFF THE TABLE


haven't you heard?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:38 PM
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22. And it's HARD to keep your ass covered when your PANTS ARE ON FIRE!
Little Liar!

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:47 PM
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23. This country soooo needs a purge of these criminals.
k n r
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:16 PM
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44. purge! purge! you admitted it! that's what the left really wants!
just like when we brought in Greens and Socialist Laborites to get the Nelson Senators out of office, and are now running a paid-for candidate against Obey, keeping his moderate views out of Presidential race!
signed, concerned Moderate
:sarcasm:
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:01 PM
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25. K&R Thanks for posting this! n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:35 PM
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26. We must all KEEP THE PRESSURE on our Congresscritters to
prevent retroactive immunity from passing this limp noodly Congress!! They will not respond unless their phones & faxes NEVER REST
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:39 PM
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27. but fuck you. Your judgment's been shit;
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:13 PM
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28. Looks like Pelosi is more interested in covering her ass and
Giving Dems a chance to pass it, but voice disapproval, and at the same time cover their asses!

I'd be tombstoned if I used the language to describe her right now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3205678

This was posted in LBN at about the same time as this journal.

Starting Monday morning, start venting your rage to Pelosi, Reid, and your representatives.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:09 PM
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29. And as far as I can tell..
.. succeeding.

The system is rigged in a way that nobody
can stand up to Bushinc.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:22 PM
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30. Hmmmm....and part of this covering of the ass is an advert that
seems to keep running on a loop chastising the house for dragging its feet all the while endangering we the people with the lie that intelligence has been damaged. (ha ha on that one) and suggesting that we the people call our representatives to scold them for this courageous dragging of feet on this treasonous bill to cover El Pompouso's but.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:44 PM
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32. Busholini has violated the FISA Law at least 30 times.
That amounts to 30 Felonies with 2 yr. min. Prison Sentence.

AlterNet: Rights and Liberties: Potential Evidence Surfaces of ...

My suspicion (which I believe will be substantiated by facts in time) is that this illegal spying is a "tool" the Administration has used to keep Congress ...

http://www.alternet.org/rights/35807/
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:45 PM
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33. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
Damn I hope he's caught.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:23 PM
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34. K&R * surely has gone to a lot of effort to cover his "innocent" butt.
Thanks kpete for doing this....* needs to be caught before he does more damage during his remaining months in office. It seems silly today to think of the time shortly following the 2006 election when impeachment wasn't served on the table. If we only had..............I knew this would haunt us....I know, I'm not alone.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:32 PM
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35. prez shit-for-brains is worried about his "LEGACY" hahahahahaha
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:39 PM
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36. An assole trying to Cover His Ass!
Well good luck Chimpy!!!
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simmonsj811 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:41 PM
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37. kick
:kick:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:45 PM
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38. Wow.
I do hope that the truth will be known and the sooner, the better.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:49 PM
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39. if I ever get caught breaking a mortal sin law
I want to KNOW I won't be punished for it, not even on my record, finis, kaput, BASTA. Where's the INCENTIVE so I won't even THINK about doing it? BULLSHIT I Say, KICK
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 08:10 PM
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40. And who wants to guess that if Congress does not grant Bush immunity
Then Idiot In Chief will try to declare telecoms immunity the law of the land, on his own, due to national security?

Nothing would surprise me, regarding these evil parasites.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 08:51 PM
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41. K & R .....He needs to go to prison
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:06 PM
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42. Anyone think that the reason so many in Congress are for immunity is that
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 09:08 PM by higher class
they figured out that if these companies are sued they won't have enough to send money their way?

On the other side of the coin, I really don't want innoicent employees of these companies hurting, but the precedent that would be set would be so enormous that we might as call it the end.

Here's a trite reason to be against immunity - not having to see Dick and George and their lawyers and the jerk Gonzales with enormously wide smiles. I don't want to see George give Diane a backslap or a HUG. UGH!

I could not bear Diane or Chuck going in front of a camera to say how pleased they are that George saved the day for those companies AND KEPT THEMSELVES OUT OF PRISONS.

C'mon America - show your allegiance to this country and not a bunch of kids playing with us on the worst kind of crime.

Our privacy. Combine the privacy theft with NOT DOING ONE THING ABOUT VOTE THEFT.

You tele companies got 'paid' to spy on us and you are now begging to be pardoned. BUG OFF!!!! TAKE YOUR PUNISHMENT!!!!!!

KICK OUT CHUCK DEAR AND DIANE DEAR and all the rest.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:01 PM
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43. I thought that was Nancy "impeachment is off the table" Pelosi's job?
Bush, take a hint, leave that job to capable people.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:34 PM
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45. Interesting that this issue hasn't been brought up in the debates.
I mean, Bush has been putting the pressure on this daily for months...you'd think it was the most important issue facing America. Yet it never rises to the level of a question in the debate. Almost like they really don't want a Democrat to explain to the American people why immunity has nothing to do with our national security, but everything to do with Bush's personal security.

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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:05 AM
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46. As important as this is
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 12:05 AM by frogcycle
it is only the tip of an iceberg.

We live in a dictatorship but only some of us realize it. the Constitution was torn up and thrown away before 9/11, when this spying started. The fascists are in charge; they do what the hell they want, and nobody is stopping them. The immunity issue is not just about protecting their illegal spying activities, but the entire coup. This is a sore we must keep worrying and worrying.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:06 AM
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47. Of course Nanny Nancy & Rev. Harry will seek to capitulate...
they always do since they are eunichs. I say lets the Repugs stew and Bush too. Lets not give an inch nad lock the door when the Repugs leave again. Why should the majority concede to the minority? WTF
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:49 AM
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48. They have to
because Rockefeller and Harman and a clutch of other Democrats are ALSO up to their asses in these programs, having known about them all along and done none of things in their power to expose or derail them.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:41 AM
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51. Domestic Spying was the first Nixonian dirty trick Cheney used---he needed blackmail info
and he wanted to know what Dems were up to as well as reporters.

The telecoms will eventually tell all---once Bush and Cheney are no longer in charge of the FCC. That is why Rove is so desperate to install McCain into the White House. I am betting that they will stop at nothing---and I mean literally nothing--to keep a democratic attorney general out of the DOJ. Too many crimes were committed for even the most congenial president to ignore all of them.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:02 AM
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52. a straightforward piece about the real reason
gw is fighting so hard - to the extent, in fact, of
threatening to veto the very bill they continually
insist is necessary to "protect us from the
terrorists" - to write in immunity for companies
that have been complicit in a few of their crimes.

highly recommended reading. it is becoming very
clear that this anything but transparent
administration has been about nothing but
politics 24/7 since long before they stole
the white house. and the republican gravy train
is careening out of control right into it.

crash these criminals. let's get our country
back.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:11 AM
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54. Bill Kristol is just as guilty as Bushler for crimes against humanity.
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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:37 AM
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55. And a mighty big ass it is... n/t
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:09 AM
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56. Yep. Anything Bush wants = bad for us. Screw him.
NO IMMUNITY! Let the telecoms spill their guts and reveal the laws that were broken.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:54 AM
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57. Bush was secretly wiretapping a prominent CNN reporter...for openers!
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Cymric Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:56 AM
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58. Watergate II
Thus if Bushco wiretapped the Dems in much the same manner as Nixon in Watergate then wouldn't Bush be guilty of the same charges? If they impeached Nixon for wiretapping the Dems then why is it off the table when it comes to Bush? Comm'on Dems! Grow a pair of cojones!
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:37 AM
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59. what kind of patriot gives ANY administration the "benefit of the doubt"??
the founders built our country on the notion that we the people should be constantly vigilent AGAINST excesses and intrusions of government.

had any of the founders been alive today, once they got their heads around the concept of the telephone, they would have ASSUMED that the government was spying on domestic political opponents.

seriously, why else bypass the fisa courts for even a retroactive warrant??
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:54 AM
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61. Yep Bill, fuck you.
nuff said.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:02 AM
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62. Too late to rec but I can still kick!
:kick:

Kristol is one creepy-smiling sick piece of shit.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:11 PM
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66. These guys in the Bushy League took advantage of a mostly apathetic and ignorant
masses to sell their BullCrap

Serves us a lesson for listening to the likes of Rove and Billy....

May them Pubs drown in their own shit....
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cseper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:21 PM
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67. Dems were getting close to a compromise
"Dems were getting close to a compromise that would result in retroactive immunity."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/todays_must_read_287.php

After watching 60 minutes Sunday, instead of donating to the democratic Party, I will send that money to Remote Area Medical.

Donations can be sent to RAM by mail to:

Remote Area Medical Foundation
1834 Beech Street
Knoxville, TN 37920
865-579-1530
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:23 PM
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69. Kick for truth!
:kick:
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