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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:59 AM
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Arrgggg...How to respond to this coment: To be a Democrat...
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 09:59 AM by Blue_Roses
I posted this in GD-P but since some are staying away from there (with good reason) these days, I wanted to post this here too. The rwing machine is cranking up the gears...

I go to open my email this morning and I see this little cutie from my rwing brother-in-law. While I continue to try to keep the peace in this family, this man does everything he can to push my buttons. I'm going to respond to this, but I am so angry right now all I want to say is bullshit and f#$%-off! Now I know that would only prove his case...so I'm taking my time to get an intelligent response together. One that can make HIM think as well as one that relies on truth. This is a very religious man, as it may be already obvious :eyes:


Please help.
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To be a Democrat:


1. You have to be against capital punishment,

but support abortion on demand.



2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression

and governments create prosperity.



3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans

are more of a threat than nuclear weapons

in the hands of Chinese and Korean communists.



4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.



5. You have to believe that global temperatures are more affected

by people driving SUV's, than by documented

cyclical changes in the earth's climate.



6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial

but being homosexual is natural.



7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus

is spread by a lack of federal funding.



8. You have to believe that the same teacher

who can't teach fourth graders how to read

is qualified to teach those same kids about sex.



9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature,

but loony activists who have never been out of the city, do.



10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important

than actually doing something to earn it.



11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million

of his own money to make 'The Passion of the Christ' for financial gain.



12. You have to believe the NRA is bad

because it supports certain parts of the Constitution,

but the ACLU is good

because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.



13. You have to believe that ATM fees are too high,

but taxes are too low.



14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem

are more important to American history than

Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, and A.G. Bell.



15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist,

but racial quotas are not.



16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton

is normal and a very nice person.



17. You have to believe that the only reason

socialism hasn't worked anywhere it has ever been tried

is because the right people haven't been in charge.



18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth

belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.



19. You have to believe that homosexual parades

are constitutionally protected,

but manger scenes at Christmas are illegal.



20. You have to believe that illegal funding of the Democratic Party

by the Chinese Government is acceptable.



21. You have to believe that it's okay

to give Federal workers Christmas Day off,

but it's offensive to say 'Merry Christmas'.



Ready to vote???

:banghead:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:01 AM
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1. there's nothing to respond to...
it's just RW psycho-babble.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:02 AM
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3. if it weren't for the fact that this was coming
from a family member, I would ignore it. But it's personal.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:07 AM
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7. You could form a thoughtful
reply rebutting every one of the bullshit bullet points you were sent or just add the family member to your spam filter and let them know that they don't get out of it until they quit spamming you with shit.

Or add their email to a bunch of bullshit mortgage and sexual enhancement websites so they get the crap spammed out of them. That may just be me, but I am a vindictive prick by my own standards.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:01 AM
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2. So many generalizations and so much judgment of people.
I bet there is a "To be a Rethuglican..." statement out there, if you are so inclined to play his ugly game.
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:04 AM
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4. You could send this back to them...
To be a Republican you need to believe:

1. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

2. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a
bad guy when Daddy Bush made war on him, a good
guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad
guy when Baby Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

3. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country
is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is
vital to a spirit of international harmony.

4. The United States should get out of the United
Nations, and our highest national priority is
enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

5. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about
her own body, but multinational drug corporations
can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

6. The best way to improve military morale is to
praise the troops in speeches, while slashing
veterans' benefits and combat pay.

7. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

8. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle
our longtime allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

9. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound
policy, but providing health care to all
Americans is socialism. HMO's and insurance
companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

10. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer
are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

11. A president lying about an extramarital
affair is an impeachable offense, but a president
lying to enlist support for a war in which
thousands die is solid defense policy.

12. Government should limit itself to the powers
named in the Constitution, which include banning
gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

13. The public has a right to know about
Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's
driving record is none of our business.

14. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a
crime, unless you're a conservative radio host,
then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

15. Supporting "Executive Privilege" for every
Republican ever born, who will be born or who might be born (in perpetuity.)

16. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960's is of
vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80's is irrelevant.

17. Support for hunters who shoot their friends
and blame them for wearing orange vests similar to those worn by the quail
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:31 AM
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12. Excellent n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #4
13. You could add a better-written version of this point:
"A single cell that has not even been implanted in a woman's womb deserves more health care than a child."
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:48 AM
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17. Well put! That needs to be on the list!
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milord Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
29. Brilliant reply!
Thanks for the excellent response. It's quite brilliant, and very amusing.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:04 AM
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5. E-mail him a copy of this essay: "A Day In The Life Of Joe Republican"
http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=527&Itemid=116

There are hundreds of this essay all over the internet. Do a Google and you'll see what I mean.

:think:
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:11 AM
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9. Agreed.
This is excellent.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:37 AM
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14. totally cool. n/t
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:07 AM
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6. WHY oh WHY oh WHY do you not tell him....
"Exclude me from your political nonsense. It is offensive, and I will eventually tell you to FUCK OFF and block your emails if you don't."

Feel free to cut and paste this. I've found it worked WONDERS with RW EX friends, associates and relatives.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:10 AM
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8. Here's my harsh, response:
Dear ChickenHawk:

I could easily answer your screed point-by-point, but I would rather be more efficient with my time, so I will only say this:

Congratulations on causing a brigade of American soldiers to die and one large division of American soldiers to be wounded in Iraq. Since you failed to take up arms in this mighty cause, save your soul by volunteering at a VA Hospital or visiting the wounded at a Fisher House, so you can see your handiwork up close and personal.

I'm ready to vote - will you ever be ready to fight?

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:16 AM
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10. Respond with this:
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. lol!
:rofl:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:02 AM
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19. Doop a doop a doop!
n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:41 AM
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16. Thanks! That cleared my lungs for the day! LOL! nt
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:39 AM
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15. Attach the lists from response #s 4 and 5, but your main response should be...
B-I-L,

If you're just poking fun, I have a couple for you too (attach the lists at the bottom).

But I have a question for you: Do you really believe this? That "To be a Democrat", you have to think like that?

Because if you really do, then don't send me any more because there's no way I can tell you what I think and keep peace in the family (or take the other option and call him "such an idiot it's not worth talking to you further").

And if you don't, try rereading Exodus 20:16, and don't be the guy spreading "false witness" around.



or something along those lines. Include the lists for the sake of "ha ha, just kidding", but poke him for sending you this trash in the first place.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:00 AM
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18. Send your brother-in-law the following:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:03 AM
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20. Ignore the hater - they feed off of this type of "smackdown" discourse. Goes nowhere quickly
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:19 AM
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21. hmmm
1. guilty as charged. Only an authoritarian would see these two things as being equal, probably because they don't give a crap about women.

Tie breaker: If you are against funding for contraception, you have little moral authority to speak about abortion. For a parent who does not love their child it is a 20 year sentence for no actual crime. For the child, it is a holocaust.



2. "You have to believe that businesses create oppression
and governments create prosperity."

Inversion: I believe that corporations create oppression in search of captive markets and governments regulate markets and standards for business, thus creating a stable environment where profits accrue.

3. Guns v Yellow people with the bomb. Well, how many spouses were killed by a nuke last week? It is a matter of scale, that and mutually assured destruction.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
Counter Frame- Art before federal funding was far more obscene by the standards of the time than today's art, ~75% percent of which is done to get more funding as opposed to offending the easily offended.


5. You have to believe that global temperatures are more affected

by people driving SUV's, than by documented

cyclical changes in the earth's climate.

Counter Frame--

Republicans have to believe that the ~400% increase in CO2 (only one greenhouse gas of several) in the span of a few generations is inconsequential and a purely natural phenomenon.


6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial
but being homosexual is natural.

Stipulate and counter- Gender consists of two aspects, performance and preference.
Performance has to do with who cleans the sex toys and who robs the convenience store, in Repubelican terms. Preference is about who you want to rub your thang on. In essence, what's your point?


7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

Counter frame- Republicans feel that Erectile Dysfunction should have far more research and funding than AIDs- despite the fact that people with ED are less likely to spread either ED or the disease.

8. You have to believe that the same teacher
who can't teach fourth graders how to read
is qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

Absolutely False.
Counter Frame- Repugs believe that your child's education in matters from health to algebra can be handled by people paid fast food wages and with plenty of religious interference. And that somehow people will actually go into debt to prepare for such a job.


9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature,
but loony activists who have never been out of the city, do.

Plenty of Blue hunters out there. Why I myself have many whitetail to my credit, with a black powder rifle, even.


10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important
than actually doing something to earn it.

Counter Frame. Self Esteem is natural result of parental love and support. Without it, a even a bright and talented child will not thrive. And you will pay for in the long run.



11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million
of his own money to make 'The Passion of the Christ' for financial gain.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?? Who cares *why* Gibson made that bit of religious snuff porn?


12. You have to believe the NRA is bad
because it supports certain parts of the Constitution,
but the ACLU is good
because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

No, if the NRA would stop snorting coke and smokeless I would be fine with them.
The second amendment is a part of the constitution and I support its being there.
But I don't want somebody with a TOW on the top of their hummer in my hood.



13. You have to believe that ATM fees are too high,
but taxes are too low.

Yes, and I can believe that grass is green, and sugar is sweet too.
I want crippling, yea nearly genocidal taxes on the top two percent. And I want to not get ass raped at the ATM. You got a problem with that?

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem
are more important to American history than
Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, and A.G. Bell.

Counter Frame- Republicans believe that no American woman has done anything as important as Alexander Bell.


15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist,
but racial quotas are not.

Stipulate and counter- Both can be, depending on design and intent.


17. You have to believe that the only reason
socialism hasn't worked anywhere it has ever been tried
is because the right people haven't been in charge.

The EU and China, both predominately socialist, are about to bury us economically.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth
belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.

You have to believe that adultery is a sexual offense. And you have to be drowned-turkey gullible regarding liars.


19. You have to believe that homosexual parades
are constitutionally protected,
but manger scenes at Christmas are illegal.

Counter - Religious processions deserve equal protection to the gay rights parade. Unless they are there specifically as an act of hatred, in which case just shoot them.

And if you let me put up my shrine to the Mother Goddess giving birth to the new Sun God next to your manger, GREAT!

20. You have to believe that illegal funding of the Democratic Party
by the Chinese Government is acceptable.

No. Kill them all. Ok, that taken care of, lets start with everyone taking corporate illegal funds. Death penalty for any election law funding violation.

Or how about publicly funded elections period?



That covers most of them.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:28 AM
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22. About 20) the illegal funding one...
"You have to believe that illegal funding of the Democratic Party by the Chinese Government is acceptable."

Tell him to back that one up. Not just "blah blah, John Hwang blah fundraiser at buddhist temple, blah", have him back it up with something a little harder than talking points from old spin campaigns.

And then ask him to check out Sung Young Moon's ties to the Republicans, and ask him exactly where he gets HIS money from...
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:31 AM
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23. The essential point here is that the poster will likely never find common ground
With the authoritarian; such types don't seek common ground, but division. They need an enemy, someone hate.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:21 PM
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24. 19.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades

are constitutionally protected,

but manger scenes at Christmas are illegal.


Both are OK with me just as long as they aren't on government property.


9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature,

but loony activists who have never been out of the city, do.


Just don't shoot my cows.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth

belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.


If they do it under oath while pleading guilty to war crimes.
What's the worst lie: Lying about sex, or lying about the reasons to go to war?


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TaxUser Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:59 PM
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25. Sounds like your Brother-InLaw knows what he's talking about


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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:46 PM
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27. Not really
Sounds like he's an asshole.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:28 PM
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26. What Would Jesus Do?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:49 PM
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28. What a waste of time. Go outside and forget about it. None of those
are even remotely accurate or true. Waste of time, I say, to even reply.
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