Yes you can be size 16 and sexy ..says Miss England hopeful Chloe Marshall

[Mr. McD]

A 17-year-old, size-16 trainee beautician from Guildford, Surrey, who proves you can be beautiful without being slimmed down by an artist's airbrush.

We asked the 5ft 10in teenager, who is 12st 8lbs, to model high-street outfits and tell us why being bigger than the average celeb is sexy.




http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/yourlife/2008/03/05/yes-you-can-be-size-16-and-sexy-says-miss-england-hopeful-chloe-marshall-89520-20341107/

[CTyankee]

1. She is beautiful. Go, Chloe! n/t

[YOY]

2. One word answer: Mammaries

n/t

[dipsydoodle]

9. Yes indeed - as Dean Martin used to sing

Mammaries are made of this.

She looks fine allover to me - comfort model :)

[wellst0nev0ter]

3. Stones?

damn british weight.

[muriel_volestrangler]

4. Oh, alright then

80kg :evilgrin:

[YOY]

8. 14 Lbs = 1 stone

That and "fortnight"...something wrong with just saying "in two weeks"?

Just sayin'...

[truebrit71]

49. Yeah, we invented the language...now on yer bike...

...you plonker...

[YOY]

51. Be nice now! A bit of friendly joking never hurt anyone.

n/t

[truebrit71]

56. I know...that's why I was yanking your chain...

...

[YOY]

60. "Yanking" it...well deserved too!

:+

[krispos42]

5. 176 pounds

And all in the right spots.

Perfect!

:drool:

[mainegreen]

6. 12 stones 8 pounds = 176 pounds

For those like me who think a stone is a small round rock found on the ground.

[debbierlus]

82. Pin up girl curvy, baby....SEXY

Getting my VLV dresses ready for spring!

[Kittycat]

7. She is quite beautiful... IMHO.

But she has got to reign in the girls if she's going to be walking down the street. Serious car accidents abound, LOL. (Speaking as a woman who understands).

[NightWatcher]

10. a woman with curves is so much sexier than a woman who looks like a sick 12 year old boy

who looks better?

[YOY]

13. Don't forget just why that image is pushed by the fashion industry

Skinny models make better coathangers foremost and I'm sorry if it's seen as gaybashing but those skinny women with no curves look like young thin men and the fashion industry has no shortage of shallow folks in it that think that thin young men are sexy (male and female.)

[uppityperson]

19. Good comparison. Thank you.

Folks of all sizes can be sexy though. Be who you are and be sexy being who you are.

[EOTE]

20. Is that a real picture?

Hideous! She looks sickly even by model standards. How sick that these images are forced upon the public.

[NightWatcher]

26. yep, real, sickly. go 'google' skinny models

it's not healthy and not attractive



give me a healthy gal with curves

[LibDemAlways]

22. That picture represents 90% of the women and teenage

girls in my So Cal neighborhood - except many opt for big fake boobs on their anorexic frames. And our culture encourages this. A girl who looks like Chloe would sit home on prom night around here for sure.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

27. I didn't sit at home for prom

I played with my all girl garage band. We were all shapes and sizes, and celebrated it!

[LibDemAlways]

36. A positive outlook and "screw you" attitude can go a long

way for a big girl. I have friends whose daughter was miserable in high school because of her size and inability to fit in. They found an alternative high school affiliated with the local community college and she came into her own. Nevertheless, it's hard for the kid who doesn't fit the cookie cutter mold in this area. My own daughter despises the "ugg boot wearing, size zero preps" that dominate her school.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

47. You might wish to read the Scumble River Mysteries

they are a series by Denise Swanson and feature a size 16 type woman detective who is a very positive role model for larger women everywhere.

[YOY]

40. and if I may let my testosterone speak for me:

Men who do not know how to enjoy the beauty of women in different shapes and sizes (the healthy ones of course) are either gay (nothing wrong with that) or narrow minded fools (everything wrong with that.)

[YOY]

31. Well if I were Chloe's age, I wouldn't mind spending prom night at home alone with her

The rest of the class can sit and spin!

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[LibertyLover]

66. That is almost too awful for words

That model's body is not attractive at all. She is past thin and skinny and closing in on emaciated really quickly. The swimsuit she is wearing doesn't even look good because of her figure. ugh.

[Traction311]

98. Neither are my style

But neither are un-attractive to me as well. I'm open-minded, so whatever you prefer is fine by me. I prefer a girl somewhere in the middle. And a little over 17. :)

[soleft]

11. no, my math is wrong

never mind

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. 'Scuse me, gotta get me swimsuit on and paddle across the pond

to meet Miss Marshall..................


Yummy!

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

14. Her legs will do her in...

Yes you can be a 16 and sexy but she has no ankles.. She is a very pretty woman, dare I say sexy, but will not do well in the miss england contest...

[Lance_Boyle]

15. Curse of the cankles.

Perhaps she can compete in boots?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

17. Unfortunatly

one serious physical flaw will do you in in those meat market competitions (Im a little unsettled on pageants but I am not strongly enough opposed to condemn them). Were anyone to meet this girl on the street they would be taken aback by her beauty but forcing her to take those ankles out and be graded on them will prevent her from wining... Still I hope she does well

[JuniperLea]

28. You are right... and it's because of thinking like yours... eom

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

34. Whats that supposed to mean...

Am I not able to express what *I* think is sexy? Seriously do you think a guy with a beer gut can win 'mr universe'? I find it amusing that I point out something that most people would agree with, her ankles are not her strongest feature, without judging her as a person and you go and get in a nit about it..

Is she more sexy that those stick figures that cause the uproar in Spain? 100% yes...

Can I not prefer Black hair over blond, long hair over short? This is a beauty contest, not a person contest... She is, as a whole, a rather lovely looking woman *way* above the median. My wife thinks I'm fine, but I have a touch of the pear profile so I have no illusions that Im not taking home any beauty contest this lifetime..

[JuniperLea]

65. It means exactly what I said... no more, no less... and it has nothing to do with you personally

I'm just saying she probably won't win because of thinking like you expressed.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

69. So youre not making a judgement on weather or not that thinking

is good or bad? Hmm odd statement to make..

[noamnety]

84. Yep.

Amazing how a woman is there to prove a point about beauty not having to conform to a mold, and the end result is a thread reducing her to individual body parts, criticizing her because those parts don't fit their mold, posting other photos of women so we can collectively denounce their body types, and then speculating about whether we would "hit it" (is violence + depersonalized pronouns the new romance?), and commenting on which public figures would stain her dress. I'm having a hard time even verbalizing how fucked up that last part is ... she's high school aged. Did we really need to go there?

Maybe "amazing" isn't quite the right word - more like predictable.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

88. Oh come off of it..

Yes humans have a standard for beauty and yes we all have our own individual preferences but *by in large* there is an idea that certain features are physically attractive and others are not..

I find it damn amusing that a full figure woman would be getting mad props on a thread (attractive though she might be) when at the same time women who are far too skinny are being maligned... Hypocrites..

Publicly criticizing her?

Lets see what else I have said regarding her..

- She is a very pretty woman, dare I say sexy
- Were anyone to meet this girl on the street they would be taken aback by her beauty
- Still I hope she does well
- Is she more sexy that those stick figures that cause the uproar in Spain? 100% yes...
- She is, as a whole, a rather lovely looking woman *way* above the median.
- she is a very pretty young woman

Still it must feel real nice to get your panties in a bunch and jump up on that high horse of yours..

denounce their body types?

- she is a very pretty young woman but we all have our flaws
- Were anyone to meet this girl on the street they would be taken aback by her beauty

hit it?

Where the hell did I ever imply that? I talked about her appearance in only the most respectful terms..

Why your outrage is targeted at me I have no clue.... Or are you saying you dont find *any* set of physical features more appealing to the eye than others (eye color / hair color / facial hair / build / height / ....

[noamnety]

97. Um ... dude? I wasn't replying to you.

"Why your outrage is targeted at me I have no clue."

check who I was responding to, check that I was specifically talking about the end result being "a thread," and then mind your own panties, which appear to have their own bunching issues. :D

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

100. The scope was this

I said, too bad about x

Someone said 'well you have tat attitude blah blah blah

And then you chimed in to them (something to the effect of 'no kidding how sad')

If I miss read you and you were in no way talking about me, my bad...

[conflictgirl]

43. Last I knew though there were no spot-reducing exercises to trim down ankles!

I think she looks way better than the skeletal models. However I can say from experience that it's really hard to get rid of 'cankles' without losing weight all over. Also, it seems cankles can have more to do with foot shape than weight - I had cankles at 130 lbs, which I think was probably because my feet are also wide and flat (flintstone feet, woo sexy!)

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

45. Nerver said she was not beautifual..

"I think she looks way better than the skeletal models." I agree completely but there are other women in the contest who are not skeletal..

<>

This woman for example is not anorexic and she is a finalist... I think your confusing beauty contest with fashion shows which have more very unhealthy girls..

Im not saying ewwwwwwww, I'm just stating that there will be women in the contest with far more attractive legs

[conflictgirl]

62. I totally understand your point

I was just contrasting the first photo with the other photos of models posted in this thread. The picture you posted is a nice, not-anorexic body size and is much more in line with the look that usually wins beauty contests. (I'm personally partial to dark hair, but I'm not one of the contest judges!)

The woman in the OP pic is not likely to win the beauty contest, but I applaud her for believing she has a right to be there and for trying to put an alternative beauty standard out there.

[theboss]

54. In a beauty contest, her tree trunk legs will be a huge problem

I personally think they are fine. It's just pointing out the problem with beauty pageants.

A slow 5'5 guy would have problems at an NBA tryout even if he was the best shooter there.

[azmouse]

57. And I'm the same size as this girl but I have boney ankles.

I've often gotten compliments on my legs. I think it has less to do with weight than body shape too.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

68. Youre right

Ankles is less about weight than bone structure, she is a very pretty young woman but we all have our flaws, hers is one of those flaws you cant cover up in a beauty contest.. (unless the want to do the swimsuit contest in knee/thigh highs)..

[The Straight Story]

16. My wife is not stick thin like many here in So Cal

And she turns a lot more heads than those scrawny ladies do :)

She has curves, red hair, no tan and she still looks damned sexy to me.

Chloe looks pretty darned good to me too :thumbsup:

[debbierlus]

85. We know you are a love -

Always going on about your lady, it is so cute....

I live in New England, thank god.

So Cal girls would never make it around here in the frigid temps. It is interesting to talk to people who move here from Ca. They are shocked with the no makeup, nature girl, chubby women (that would be size 10 & up, you know, morbidly obese) :)

[Hugabear]

18. She looks damned sexy to me

Oh yes.


:loveya:

[devilgrrl]

21. I friend of mine is that size and she NEVER had a problem attracting men.

She's married now, during college she just had that "sex appeal" thing going and men couldn't get enough of her. It's all about how you carry yourself.

[The Straight Story]

23. You reply is no good without pictures

:)

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

24. My husband says he likes curves

and someone who is soft. So I know there are men out there who like larger women. And in the nineteenth century, plumpness was looked upon as a plus.

[Westegg]

25. 16 at 17? Let's see 'er at 30, innit.

[JuniperLea]

29. Meaning... eom

[originalpckelly]

30. By the body mass index, she is technically overweight...

by only 3 pounds.

Go Chloe! :-)

She's Delta Burke pretty, that outfit even looks like what she would wear.

[theboss]

32. She's a tall girl with huge cans

She's going to be ok.

[MindPilot]

33. A little too much there for my tastes.

I'm afraid of women who outweigh me. :D

[Lex]

35. and tiny men

are nearly useless :D

[MindPilot]

39. At 6' and 165 I'm not exactly tiny.

Especially in the place to which you are probably referring.

But yes, I agree.

[TooBigaTent]

37. Isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder? And don't we all behold differently?

Personal preference is an individual choice and, IMHO, should be honored as such.

Only when it impacts health would I have a problem with anyone else's definition of beauty.

[guitar man]

38. She's hawt!!

I likes full figgered women :evilgrin:

Damn, I'm 44 and drooling over a 17 year old....I'm a bad man :evilfrown:

[dipsydoodle]

41. Kinda reminds me of

Monica

http://img.webring.com/r/m/monica/logo

another one :

[Cheap_Trick]

42. was just about to say

hill better keep bill away from her, or there'll be another stained blue dress.

[conflictgirl]

44. Good for her!

Of course there are many different opinions on what is attractive and I don't expect all men to prefer the curvier women like this, but damn is it nice to see an alternative to the stick figures in the popular media. If you were a guy who preferred curvy chicks you wouldn't find much in the media to represent what you want to see! One curvy chick is still by far the minority compared to the other images out there, but at least its good to see more options for once.

BTW, size 16 in the UK is about a 12-14 in the US...pretty close to the average size. That's not even plus sizes.

[LibDemAlways]

46. At the local Macys where I live in So Cal size 14 is

considered a plus size and is the plus size department. The racks are mostly full of size 0-6 and even clothes labeled S, M, and L are way undersized so they would fit the average 10 year old. Same thing at Nordstrom, and those are the only two big department stores left in the area. Pennys has more size 10 - 16 selection, but it's mostly polyester old lady clothes. Clothes shopping is a nightmare around here.

[ism202]

50. My girl

I love the fact that my little sis is actually prompting people over here into debate about size! I moved out here at the beginning of the year, and whilst I think many of the girls I see in my gym etc are stunning, Clo just looks radiant in ever photo and is promoting something a little different. If your beautiful you will be beautiful whatever... ditto if your ugly! However skinny you are. For more information and to show your support please check out the facebook group - called plus size for miss surrey. xxxxx

[myrna minx]

81. Welcome to DU!

Wish your sister well for me. She is radiant. :hi:

[Missy Vixen]

92. Your sister is lovely, and I hope she wins!

Radiant, healthy, and happy about who she is! What am I saying? She's won already, hasn't she?

Julie

[conflictgirl]

63. Must be because you're in So Cal

Here in the midwest most of the stores here have standard misses sizes from 2-14 and then there's the plus size dept that goes up from there. Plus size does also start at 14 but it's a much fuller cut than misses' 14, as I discovered a few years ago when I was heavier and did wear a 14. I thought a 14W would fit me but it was way too big.

Totally agree about Penney's having old lady clothes though, its the same around here. Penney's is on my list for stores I expect to disappear within a decade or two.

[LibDemAlways]

78. Here in So. Cal 99% of what is on the rack is

below size 12. I think the average is around 6. Then you go out into the mall and look at the women and can see that most of them are closer to a 14. It makes no sense.

It's even worse hell for a teen. There's nothing in the junior department above a 9. So kids with meat on their bones are out of luck. My daughter isn't "fat" by any measure, but she is big-boned and mostly wears band shirts from Hot Topic because that's about all she likes that actually fit.

[walldude]

96. Lane Bryant...

That's where my wife gets her clothes. She's a size 16. It's a little more expensive but the clothes are specifically made for bigger size women. They look so much nicer and sit so much better on her. Any of the plus size stuff she got from a department store just has that "mu-mu" look to it.

[DrCory]

48. A lovely and sexy woman!!! N/T

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

52. At first glance, I read "Yes you can be 16 and sexy"

Bad, bad commie! :spank:

Back to the topic: I'd hit it. Nuff said.

[ism202]

53. My Girl

I love the fact that my little sis is actually prompting people over here into debate about size! I moved out here at the beginning of the year, and whilst I think many of the girls I see in my gym etc are stunning, Clo just looks radiant in ever photo and is promoting something a little different. If your beautiful you will be beautiful whatever... ditto if your ugly! However skinny you are. For more information and to show your support please check out the facebook group - called plus size for miss surrey. xxxxx

[sarcasmo]

55. Yes, my kind of Lady.

[Snarkturian Clone]

58. Excellent NT

[lumberjack_jeff]

59. She's pretty, but at 17, she's not at a healthy weight.

My flame suit is on, but carrying too much weight (such as I do at 5-11 and 210#) isn't healthy.

Then again, if I'd started adulthood overweight, I'd probably be worse off now.

[truebrit71]

61. But the weight appears to be in EXACTLY the right two places...

:evilgrin:


hehehehehehe!!

[Goblinmonger]

70. Look above about BMI

She is only 3 pounds from having a BMI of "normal weight."

[LeftCoast]

73. Just to add info to the debate here's her BMI:

Pplease check if I'm wrong, I'm pretty tired at the moment and I have a cold :)

According to my math she weighs 176 lbs and she'd 5'10 so her BMI should be 25.3 which places her in the 'overweight' portion of the scale. Here's the link I used to calculate it: http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

She's not far off from a 'normal' weight though. The cut-off is 24.9.

[Goblinmonger]

74. Your math is right.

If you drop her weight to 173, she is at 24.8. Hence, 3 pounds overweight.

[XemaSab]

102. Yeah, and she's wearing those "extra" three pounds front and center

:D

[lumberjack_jeff]

79. Thanks for that

In my experience, being overweight as a young adult is bad because the problem becomes worse as people age and become more sedentary.

But who knows, maybe she won't grow up to sit in front of a keyboard like me. :banghead:

[Goblinmonger]

86. I don't even want to post what my BMI is

cause it ain't pretty, but she is not in the position that many in society would label her as being. She isn't skinny, but she just barely falls into the overweight BMI.

[TheCowsCameHome]

64. I'd like to check her out for any sharp edges - (none visible so far)

So far, so good.............

[geardaddy]

67. Yes, please. n/t

[kineneb]

71. not 17 anymore, but am ~sz 14/16

I'm an inch shorter, and slightly heavier. I will never, ever be a small size; my frame is too large.

Some of the extra weight is probably in muscle, especially in my arms and upper back; being a woodworker does that. (stand away from the power tools, those are mine)

Huzzah for her!

[otherlander]

72. You *can* be, but I don't think she is.

Maybe it's just the overdone one-sided hair... but I think it's also what she did to her eyebrows, it makes her look angry... and the shoes cause me pain just to look at. >_<

[Zywiec]

75. Can you be a size 16 and not be overweight?

I'm not sure how the dress sizes work. She's considered overweight according to NIH. For some that may be a turn-on, for others it is not a turn-on.

:shrug:

[debbierlus]

83. She is Five Ten for god's sake

The average woman in this country is a size 14.

Yet, all we see are women who are really tall & really skinny - something like 2% of the population.

It is ridiculous, it is dangerous. Sure, eat moderately, exercise. Then, love yourself because genetically it ain't there for most of the population.

She does not look fat. She is just bigger then what we are CONSTANTLY shown.

[Goblinmonger]

87. Run her stats on a BMI site

she is 3 pounds overweight by BMI which would consider the fact that she is 5'10"

[Swamp Rat]

76. She is lovely, but that dress is AWFUL!

:puke:

[Disturbed]

77. Yes, she is beautiful. She has some serious competition

http://www.missengland.info/regionals-surrey.html

She will get plenty of offers for modeling even if she does not win.

[theboss]

80. I like the 18-year-old with the fake boobs

In all honesty, England can do better.

[Traction311]

101. I'll take the blonde on the bottom right

:evilgrin:

[NickB79]

95. That dress would look nice lying on my floor, though

:evilgrin:

[Maestro]

89. Voluptuous

Although I feel kinda dirty talking that about a teenager. But go girl!

[demmiblue]

90. She is 17.

[dysfunctional press]

91. i'm a very sexy size 16 myself- but that's my shoe size.

;)

[walldude]

93. And the size of Bush's IQ

:rofl:

[NickB79]

94. Well, she is 5' 10" tall

Her body mass index is 25, barely over the ideal weight.

She's perfectly healthy, and damn sexy IMO.

Now, if she was 5'2" tall and weighed 178 lbs, she'd have a BMI of over 30 and be classified as obese.

[Freddie Stubbs]

99. Sure if you are 5' 10" and have a big rack

A woman who is 5' 3" and a size 16 isn't likely to be as well-proportioned.

[PVnRT]

103. I'll be in my bunk...