People have learned nothing from the last seven years

[nadinbrzezinski]

least off, the power of the right wing noise machine. It is incredible how many folks around these parts still discount Rush and his army of Ditto heads. If Rush had only one thousand listeners, locally, ok you'd have a point Then again, it would be Rush who? But Rush has at last count about 20 million listeners nation wide. Granted, that is a small sliver of the total population, at 300 million. But Rush is the TIP of a propaganda and noise machine.

I am amazed at how many people on this site still discount them, even when it is clear that the propaganda has worked.

Do tell me, apart of Denis Kucinich (who thankfully won his primary) how many of your candidates self identify as LIBERAL?

I hate to tell you this folks, but not since Dukakis do our CANDIDATES dare to use the moniker... and being a member of the ACLU is used against you. And Liberal is now a four letter word. But continue to discount Rush.

Rush is a modern day Father Coughlin. The difference between Father Coughlin and Rush is that Rush has a whole apparatus behind him. Father Coughlin (Who was also a fascist) didn't. Think of Rush (and the rest of the noise machine) as propaganda, and why history teaches you that YOU CANNOT afford to dismiss it.

Yet, even today at this late hour, many people say, who cares what that fatso (he's no longer overweight) has to say. Well, you should. And I guess not a single lesson of the last seven years about language and how to use is (Lakoff) has sunk in. Nor has it sunk in that Rush matters, and not in a nice way, but he does. And this is another reason why I don't expect anything to change. While they go to war, we play patty hand and have yet to learn the lessons of the last seven years, let alone the last twenty five.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. kick

[bdamomma]

2. short memory syndrome plagues the American populous.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Well we have plenty of bread and circus

I KNOW that is part of it

But at DU you don't expect to find it... alas you do

[Blaze Diem]

4. Great Post. Limbaugh is a certain danger and Rove is mighty busy

these days also.
I have no doubt that he left the White House to work full time, out of the public eye, on the selection of McSameasBush and has chosen the Veep running mate also.
Hand picked and on their way to the White House for the next 8 years.

They ARE that powerful and they are NOT giving it up to a mere vote of the people.

Love the truth of your post.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I don't expect the Dems to win either

and this is by design as well

[tom_paine]

5. Sadly, nadin, you are 100% correct. It extends far beyond the 1930s German fallacy of

just ignore that little man and he'll go away.

Thing are too far gone to stop now. The psychic pustule is going to burst. What one used to have to go to a KKK meeting to hear is now on the Cable TV 24/7 and passes as "mainstream punditry".

We are a nation of Axis Sallies and Good Germans. And Old Free America is a member of the ashheap of history, though we are all so busy dancing with the corpse "Weekend at Bernie's" style in a=our Biannual "Election" Farce that the stink hasn't begun to burn our nostrils yet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. And our side participates in the farce knowing full well that

things are massaged.. oh and the NWO... it is coming, and it is the free trade bunk that they sell, and if we should win, we will continue to push for

[Blaze Diem]

9. 'Our side..'

that is true and what I see is that someone has hijacked the Dem Party just as someone hijacked the Republican Party.
We've both grown insignificant at the hands of the New World Order. We are very close to a Nation of One Party, gradually easing the American mindset into this transition by letting us still refer to ourselves as Dem, Republican, Progressive, Green, blue, yellow, dogs, cats, or whatever is the political paty of your choosing.
We could not handle the knowing of an immediate overthrow, It must be gradual until all voice and choice is removed and One Party remains firmly and forever in place.

---------
This is how I see it.

[Blaze Diem]

8. Bye Bye Miss American Pie...I am amazed how many just don't get the

reality of this all.
Blinders on & running straight for the finnish line like every other race they've ever run, completely absent to the fact that the date and course of the race has been changed without their knowing.

Sad to say, but this thread carries more truth than most people want to believe.
Maybe why they'll just keep running that same race with the same results and never bother to figure out why it always ends the same.

[ourbluenation]

10. WHICH IS WHY WE NEED OUR CANDIDATE SORTED OUT, like yesterday.

sorry for shouting but I don't see how this long drawn out horseshit is good for the party, and in turn, the country.

[Blaze Diem]

13. Its not good, but it will provide plenty of distractions while Rove &

pals put the final touch on their master plan.

[Blaze Diem]

11. k & r for truth.

Thanks for this Post nadinebrzezinski.
What needs to be said.

[BrklynLiberal]

12. The sinking feeling in my stomach tells me you are right....

[Blaze Diem]

15. Indeed, it is more of a reality check than most Americans could

handle.
Frightening to think that so few in our Congress and government system no longer have the power to stop this.
I truely do not know who can stop it from happening.
Those whom I believed could change the course of the Bush NWO, have prooved to be untrustable or outnumbered.

[antigop]

14. K&R n/t

[kineneb]

16. Gore Vidal: "The United States of Amnesia" n/t

[blues90]

17. none of the candidates left ever identify themselves as liberals

They avoid this at all costs . The proof in this is they allowed the real liberals to be systematically ushered off the mass media stage and said nothing .

One enormous problem with a freak like Rush is with the amount of listeners he has and captures they then become grass roots ditto heads who fill the heads of anyone who does not try to dig for the truth and there are many of them out there .

I am afraid the liberal party is dead now and we have what's left over.

While so many hang their hope on that well worn hat rack of republican light and sit back and ignore everything until they are run over by the corporate machine's freight train . The worst part is they never saw the train coming with eye's and ear's closed .

[puebloknot]

18. K&R You are quite correct. There is no savior, and we're all being played...

...for fools in our "elections" in this country.

I will vote, because I can't not vote -- just in case it might matter, and because I don't want to further depress my daughter by showing hopelessness. But I doubt that anything will be any different in January 2009 other than whose ass is sitting in the oval office, making plans for an extended stay in Iraq, and figuring out how *not* to give us single-payer universal health care.

"Keep hope alive" feels very cynical today. I'll keep trying, but the facts of the matter speak loudly.

Great post. Thanks!

[Quantess]

19. "Liberals" are denigrated each evening on CNN Headline News

by that overgrown toddler named Glenn Beck.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. It's not just Glenn Beck

it is a media system serving the goals of those who desire nothing less than turning around the New Deal Socialist Revolution. And don't fool yourself, this is exactly the way they see it...

[Quantess]

26. CNN "Headline News" what does "headline news" mean to you?

Does it entail a big, opinionated, baby faced, whiner complain about liberals? Well apparently, that is what CNN "Headline News" means for prime time viewers on Pacific time.

[margotb822]

21. I think we have enough evidence to redefine "liberal" and "conservative"

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

---JFK

Now, what can we think of for conservative?

(Fear-mongering, hate-filled, Bible-twisting, greedy, lying, stealing, every man for himself, Constitution-shredding, pricks is what comes to my mind first)

[Quantess]

27. Are you asking? Or telling, LOL!

I would ask whether "Conservatives" deserve their self-entitlement to claims such as "Small government"? "Balanced budget"? How conservative are they, really?

But I suppose we need to get back to what makes self-proclaimed "Conservatives" tick.

As a non-religious agnostic, I am aware that religion is a big influence in politics. Pretty much, the more Fundamentalist Christian you are, the more likely you are to vote Republican, which I don't understand. But then, I'm not really a Christian. I do know a little about Christ, but, our family didn't go to church very often. What little I do know of Jesus, it seems that he is a loving type who wants people to Do right by Him. It is true Jesus doesn't necessarily say "Do Left by Him". :rofl:

LOL, sorry for having so much fun responding to you! I hope you have a great day, margotb822!

[margotb822]

29. Maybe a little of both

I have no idea what makes conservatives tick, but I think it must be the same thing that drives them to steal and lie.

I am not religious either, but I think it's because I look at the "fundies" and I see how hypocritical and judgmental they are. Why would I want to make myself part of that? I do think that if Jesus we're alive today, he wouldn't support the conservatives (I wrote about it here). Their entire argument goes back to abortion, but there are so many other things to look at.

Who knows why they continue to claim those things. I read an article that said McCain is going to have a hard time getting Congressional Republicans to back him on the no earmark movement. They are the builders of bridges to nowhere and porcupine research facilities. They want to keep funneling government money to their campaign donors, not their constituents.

Well, I could go on forever about what makes conservatives terrible, so I guess I'll stop now.

Enjoy the response :)

[Ytzak]

22. The right wing has already hung "most liberal in America" around Obama's neck...

like a albatoss on a noose. Supposedly, he is more liberal even than Teddy Kennedy or Kucinich. Of course that is a convenient lie for a group that has defined liberal as Socialist and Socilast as Facist. Becasue their effective control of the media has gone unchallanged and unchecked, there is no easy way to change this.

We won't change this definition by shouting here in an eccho chamber. We can only change it by redefining the other side. It will not be quick.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Hence the references to Lakoff

and learning to use LANGUAGE effectively

One simple example (thains to the called to Green's program on AAR)

Don't refer to the Iraq war as well the Iraq war, but as Bush's war...

[SoCalDem]

24. As long as we have Bread(burgers& fries) & Circuses(American Idol)

people still think Rush is an "entertainer", and CNN is "news"...and we all slide down the slippery-slide...wheeeeeeee ....pass the burgers....

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Don't forget that idol

:-)

[Art_from_Ark]

28. And don't forget those other circuses

called "professional sports"