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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:29 PM
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Blue Dog Democrats May Give Bush Victory on Spying
Blue Dog Democrats May Give Bush Victory on Spying

By Matt Renner
March 6, 2008


Democrats in the House of Representatives - teetering on the verge of compliance with the spy power demands of the Bush administration - have devised a plan that would give the president everything he has demanded, while keeping the majority of Democrats' fingerprints off the most controversial elements of the proposed legislation.

The bill at hand is an update to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), a law intended to prevent misuse of surveillance powers by presidents in the wake of the Watergate scandal. The legislation passed the Senate with the majority of Democrats voting against it. The bill evoked heated disagreement between conservative and progressive Democrats because it would broaden presidential spy powers and would grant retroactive legal immunity for a broad range of companies that may have broken the law by participating in the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance programs.

Civil liberties groups and progressive members of Congress oppose immunity because it would cut off around 40 lawsuits against the telecoms - court cases that have been the only significant source of information about the administration's surveillance activity. However, House Democratic leaders face mounting pressure to grant telecoms immunity, from the Bush administration and from members of the Blue Dog coalition - a group of conservative Democrats who often cross the aisle to vote with Republicans on legislation framed by the Bush administration as pertaining to national security.

"A capitulation on this point would destroy a small flickering flame of hope by many citizens that Congress was not entirely in the pocket of lobbyists and could on this one occasion stand firm on a point of legal principle. If the companies and the White House were acting lawfully as they insist, there is nothing to fear from judicial review. If not, it is important to establish that this was an unlawful program," constitutional law scholar Jonathan Turley wrote on his web site.

In what appears to be a calculated political maneuver, a plan has been proposed that would break the bill into two parts, allowing Democrats who are opposed to the immunity provision to vote against it without actually killing the bill.

The plan, floated on February 29 by an unnamed "senior Democratic aide," would separate the part of the bill that expands spy powers from the section that grants retroactive legal immunity for companies involved in surveillance. Progressive Democrats who have been working to remove the immunity provision could vote against it without actually killing the bill. Or, as the unnamed aide said, the plan would "allow Democrats to register their objections to the immunity provision," according to The Los Angeles Times report.

If the bill is split into two pieces, conservative Blue Dog Democrats in the House could join with Republicans to pass the immunity provision, handing the Bush administration a victory while providing political cover for progressive Democrats and the Democratic leadership. Bush has warned repeatedly that he will veto any FISA update that does not include retroactive immunity for telecoms.




In a January letter to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, 21 Blue Dog Coalition members made it known they supported granting immunity to the telecoms, and urged Pelosi to move quickly to pass the Senate version of the bill. (The 21 members who signed the letter are listed below.)

Members of the Blue Dog Coalition were integral in the passage of the highly controversial Protect America Act (PAA), a Republican-backed bill that greatly expanded spy powers in August 2007. The PAA was allowed to expire in February in the face of stark warnings from the Bush administration.

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Blue Dog Members Pushing for Telecom Immunity

Congressman Joe Baca (D-California) http://www.house.gov/baca/

Congressman John Barrow (D-Georgia) http://barrow.house.gov/

Congresswoman Melissa Bean (D-Illinois) http://www.house.gov/bean/

Congressman Marion Berry (D-Arkansas) http://www.house.gov/berry/

Congressman Dan Boren (D-Oklahoma) http://www.house.gov/boren/

Congressman Leonard L. Boswell (D-Iowa) http://boswell.house.gov/

Congressman Allen Boyd (D-Florida) http://www.house.gov/boyd/

Congressman Christopher Carney (D-Pennsylvania) http://carney.house.gov/

Congressman Jim Cooper (D-Tennessee) http://www.cooper.house.gov/

Congressman Robert E. Cramer (D-Alabama) http://cramer.house.gov/HoR/AL05/

Congressman Lincoln Davis (D-Tennessee) http://www.house.gov/lincolndavis/

Congressman Brad Ellsworth (D-Indiana) http://www.ellsworth.house.gov/

Congressman Tim Holden (D-Pennsylvania) http://www.holden.house.gov/

Congressman Jim Matheson, (D-Utah) http://www.house.gov/matheson/

Congressman Charlie Melancon (D-Louisiana) http://www.melancon.house.gov/

Congressman Dennis Moore (D-Kansas) http://www.moore.house.gov/

Congressman Earl Pomeroy (D-North Dakota) http://www.pomeroy.house.gov/

Congressman Mike Ross (D-Arkansas) http://ross.house.gov/

Congressman Heath Shuler (D-North Carolina) http://shuler.house.gov/

Congressman Zack Space (D-Ohio) http://space.house.gov/

Congressman John Tanner (D-Tennessee) http://www.house.gov/tanner/

Blue Dog Coalition web site http://www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/




Each and every one of these House members should be challenged for his/her seats this year.


According to this article, with 69% of likely 2008 voters opposed to granting retroactive immunity for the telecoms, none of these dismal failures should retain their seats.

They are traitorous fools.


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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:33 PM
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1. There needs to be an intense
letter writing and office calling of all these congresspeople.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:56 AM
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2. Friday morning kick. n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:25 AM
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3. Thanks and kick n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:26 AM
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4. i will not vote for any democrat that supports these criminals
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:29 AM
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5. DINOs??? Pubs posing as DEMs??? what kind of fool system do we have??
Damn....
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:25 AM
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6. ....
:mad:

K&R...
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THX1138 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:31 AM
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7. Typo
It's Bush Dogs. Too bad we don't have any House leadership to reign these spineless simps in
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:40 AM
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8. There are no words strong enough.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:42 AM
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9. who needs republicans when the dems are quite happy to carry their water...?
eom
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:45 AM
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10. I despise these people. They are worse than Republicans.
At least Republicans don't pretend to be our allies to get elected.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:47 AM
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11. Chicken Hawks + Chicken Littles = Chicken Shits.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:54 AM
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12. As expected, my congresscritter is on the list....
Dennis Moore is one of the leaders of the Blue Dogs and has sold us out before. Sprint is headquartered in his district and it looks like he'll do their bidding --- again.

I'll call his office this morning, but it's usually fruitless. I don't have the money to buy him off like Sprint does.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:59 AM
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13. OT but that name
Dennis Moore, reminds me of the Monty Python sketch.

He robs from the poor, gives to the rich.

Dennis Moore.

Stupid bitch.

actually that's not so off topic is it?
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:01 PM
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14. sounds on topic to me!
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:45 PM
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15. If they split it like that ,doesn't it have to go back to the Senate?
or doesn't it work that way.
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