Pelosi Gets Ethics Reform Bill While GOPers and Some Dems Kick and Scream

[babylonsister]

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Pelosi Gets Reform Bill While GOPers and Some Dems Kick and Scream
By Paul Kiel - March 12, 2008, 11:23AM



Last night, the House passed an ethics reform bill, which will create an outside panel to review ethics complaints against lawmakers. It's a noted improvement over the current setup -- which isn't saying much since the House ethics committee has been a punchline for many years.

The outside panel, which will have six members (3 GOPers, 3 Dems), won't have subpoena power. And it will simply forward recommendations to the actual House ethics committee for further action after investigating. That's why some critics like CREW's Melanie Sloan call it a "paper tiger." Other good government types have given their support on the theory that something is better than nothing.

As The Hill reports, the Dem leadership pushed hard for the reform bill despite Republicans and a number of senior Democrats digging in their heels and doing what they could to prevent the vote. As The Washington Post reports, "Even with two House members under indictment, two others sent to prison, and several others under federal investigation, nearly half the House did not want to submit the body to the scrutiny of a panel not under its control." Some of the choicer quotes from last night's debate:

Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-KS): "If you have a single ounce of self-preservation, you'll vote no."

Mighty reform foe Rep. John Murtha (D-PA): “We have a New York governor in the news right who shows that you can’t legislate ethics. It always comes down to the individual.”

And most quotable of all:

Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii), a senior member of the Armed Services Committee, registered his displeasure with the proposal by using a parliamentary tactic to delay the vote. Just after 8 p.m., Abercrombie forced a vote on a motion to adjourn, which only served to delay the vote on the ethics resolution until an hour later. The vote failed 177 to 196, with 14 Democrats voting in favor of it.

Afterward, Abercrombie railed against the proposal to resounding applause on both sides of the aisle.

“With this proposal we are indicting ourselves, yielding and retreating to those who would tear this House down and denigrate us as crooks and knaves and hustlers…we cringe before our critics,” he said. “If we have no respect for ourselves—how to we expect it from anybody else?”

[islandmkl]

1. you have to love this:

“With this proposal we are indicting ourselves, yielding and retreating to those who would tear this House down and denigrate us as crooks and knaves and hustlers…we cringe before our critics,” he said. “If we have no respect for ourselves—how to we expect it from anybody else?”

Too late, motherf***er...we already know....

[Winterblues]

2. "won't have subpoena power."

Awww gee that is too bad, we all know how valuable those subpoenas are...:sarcasm:

[MrCoffee]

3. This is pure theater...

The outside committee simply forwards complaints to the same House Ethics Committee that was the subject of derision due to ineffectiveness and blatant partisanship.

The new committee has no power at all. It's a worthless bill.

[lonestarnot]

4. And we should expect something different from Pelosi?

[MrCoffee]

5. Far be it from me to suggest otherwise

All Hail Nancy!


I really had high hopes for her at the start of her Speakership. She was a great rep. She just sucks so bad as Speaker. Oh well...

[seafan]

6. This ethics reform bill has 'em squealing like Tom DeLay!

On the http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/pelosi_gets_reform_bill_while.php">ethics reform bill passed in the House last night:

“With this proposal we are indicting ourselves, yielding and retreating to those who would tear this House down and denigrate us as crooks and knaves and hustlers…we cringe before our critics,” he said. “If we have no respect for ourselves—how to we expect it from anybody else?” ---- Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)

Does he have a challenger this November?